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Sat Apr 23, 2022, 02:42 PM

Don Winslow retiring -- to wage war against the GOP!

Wow! Bestselling novelist Don Winslow, who also makes hard-hitting political films, is leaving his lucrative novel-writing career to focus on one thing: making political ads to rally the country against Trump and the GOP.

As Don says:
"No more of this when they go low, we go high.
When they go low, I'm already going to be there waiting."



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Reply Don Winslow retiring -- to wage war against the GOP! (Original post)
mainer Apr 23 OP
Faux pas Apr 23 #1
bahboo Apr 23 #2
Novara Apr 23 #3
Grins Apr 23 #26
Snoopy 7 Apr 23 #28
bottomofthehill Apr 23 #4
niyad Apr 23 #5
mucifer Apr 23 #6
Cha Apr 23 #9
smirkymonkey Apr 23 #10
Cha Apr 23 #12
highplainsdem Apr 23 #7
Cha Apr 23 #8
FloridaBlues Apr 23 #11
gldstwmn Apr 23 #13
onecaliberal Apr 23 #14
Joinfortmill Apr 23 #15
erronis Apr 23 #16
onetexan Apr 24 #37
paleotn Apr 23 #17
Pepsidog Apr 23 #18
dixiechiken1 Apr 23 #19
mountain grammy Apr 23 #20
SleeplessinSoCal Apr 23 #21
bucolic_frolic Apr 23 #22
FoxNewsSucks Apr 23 #23
Duppers Apr 23 #24
BumRushDaShow Apr 23 #29
FoxNewsSucks Apr 24 #41
BumRushDaShow Apr 24 #42
CaptainTruth Apr 23 #32
napi21 Apr 23 #34
StarryNite Apr 23 #25
Mr. Sparkle Apr 23 #27
StarryNite Apr 23 #31
Mr. Sparkle Apr 23 #33
Carlitos Brigante Apr 23 #36
Native Apr 24 #44
BumRushDaShow Apr 24 #45
CaptainTruth Apr 23 #30
LakeArenal Apr 23 #35
7wo7rees Apr 24 #38
LakeArenal Apr 24 #39
themaguffin Apr 24 #40
Native Apr 24 #43

Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 02:44 PM

1. Kickin'

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 02:45 PM

2. wish him luck with this...

he is one helluva writer....just had a new novel coming out I think.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 02:46 PM

3. Somebody's gotta help the Democrats with messaging ...

... because they can't message themselves out of a wet paper bag.

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Response to Novara (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 05:26 PM

26. It's NON-EXISTENT!!!

Given just the revelations in JUST the past 2 weeks there should be screaming from the heavens and EVERY D from the state capitals to the nationís Capitol should be on message pointing out the GOPís many treasons.

Proof: Iíll bet many here can identify Ronna Romney McDaniel as the head of the RNC who is constantly in the media.

Now name her Democratic counterpart. Iíll bet most cannot.

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Response to Novara (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 05:39 PM

28. wrong

The facts are that the oligarchs own the press, tv, radio & print, they love the money the republicans give them even though it's our tax money. And, the oligarchs don't pay taxes. Also if you don't believe me look at NPR being purchased by a huge GOP lovers. And MSNBC has gotten rid of all the progressives and left leaning line up and the pundits that are giving advice are all republicans. Only the eveninngs have a few democrats leading the line up.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 02:46 PM

4. Thank you Don. I hope you are able to tie the crazies to their leadership

And show the American public what we are in for under trumpunlican rule. It is not going to be pretty, but please go ugly.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 02:50 PM

5. "when they go low, I will be there waiting". LOVE IT.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 02:55 PM

6. His ego is a bit off the charts. But I wish him well.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:22 PM

9. I wish him and us well.. I don't care

about his "ego".. I like him!

💙💛

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Response to Cha (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:28 PM

10. I'm with you, Cha!

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:32 PM

12. Aloha & Mahalo, Smirky!



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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:15 PM

7. Bravo!!! And thank you!

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:20 PM

8. Rt💖TY & Don Winslow!!

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:31 PM

11. Good the dems need help in messaging. More of this please!

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:49 PM

13. Literally putting his money where his mouth is...

I can't wait to read City on Fire. I'll support his efforts however I can.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:53 PM

14. This is good news. We need everyone to do anything they can.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:55 PM

15. Wow

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 03:59 PM

16. Messaging to dimwits is easy. Appeal to their basest instincts. Messaging to liberals is much harder

You need to explain the pros and the cons. You need to get in to the details. You need to convince them that what you are saying makes sense, is rational.

The damn RW/Q/whatevers just use the old irrational fear card - over and over. They know the base dimwits will eat up projection and flashy videos. To hell with using rational arguments.

Reading Anne Nelson's "Shadow Network" (https://www.npr.org/2019/10/29/774133071/shadow-network-offers-a-lesson-on-the-american-rights-mastery-of-politics). Already understood a lot of their schemes but this lays out the cold-blooded ways that they manipulate the media and audience.

We need to go low and deep and attack them from their underbodies. Skewer the financial underpinnings. Expose the bellies of the fake xian ministers.

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Response to erronis (Reply #16)

Sun Apr 24, 2022, 06:59 AM

37. If Libs (supposedly more rational) are too lazy to go vote

Toughshit. We need messaging particularly to the young & i dependents. The fascist Q-believing RW are too far gone to save, regardless of messaging. Libs need to all band together & punch back hard. This is our lives & our democracy at stake. We cant let quack-preqching idiots running all levels of gov't.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 04:04 PM

17. Reminds me of a caller some years ago...

on what's now SiriusXM progress....to paraphrase..."I love Michelle Obama. I do. But, I'm sorry. When they go low, we bury the mother fuckers." Truer words have rarely been spoken.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 04:10 PM

18. Gotta love Don Winslow.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 04:38 PM

19. "Investigations aren't consequences..."

FUCKIN' A.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 04:43 PM

20. Good luck Don.

Why is the media rooting for Biden to fail?

We need another Eric Boehlert.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 04:51 PM

21. This part...

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 04:54 PM

22. Hope he delivers

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 04:57 PM

23. It isn't just a matter of "messaging"

I've seen a lot of good messages from some Democrats. But I'm not among those that need to be convinced. I look for liberal messages.

Access is the problem, and availability of any message. As post #20 above says, the media is rooting for Biden and Democrats to fail.

How will this be put in front of the rest of the country 24/7 so it's not just preaching to the choir? The rightwingnuttery controls the corporations that own the media and pay advertising on media.

MF45 is a failed, disgraced, twice-impeached former president. Yet if a wet fart escapes his shit-stained sphincter, EVERY media outlet in the country praises it and analyzes it for days. Until the next shiny rightwing toy comes along. Obama is also a former president, furthermore, one who did not leave office in disgrace surrounded by criminals and a deep web of crime. Yet his excellent speech received almost NO coverage that would have been seen by the average American.

That is the real problem.

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 05:11 PM

24. Bravo !! +100

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 05:49 PM

29. THIS

When you own the microphone you can get your message out there. But we won't buy any mics or amplifiers.

Maybe do like the last election and get some "messaging" on those big right-in-their-face billboards. Meidas Touch did an excellent job of just that and even floated this one last year (needs a re-up this year with a whole list of people) -




MeidasTouch.com
@MeidasTouch

Jan 21, 2021
Retweet if you agree Republican Members of Congress setting off metal detectors and not stopping for Capitol Police should immediately be arrested
MeidasTouch.com
@MeidasTouch
Big news: we found a billboard that is 20 feet by 60 feet facing the US Senate. As you know everything we do is crowdfunded. Help us secure this billboard immediately and remove Cruz & Hawley:
secure.actblue.com
Help Crowdfund This Billboard Outside the U.S. Senate
Chip in to make sure our elected officials see our message: Expel Josh Hawley & Ted Cruz!
9:35 PM ∑ Jan 21, 2021


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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #29)

Sun Apr 24, 2022, 11:54 AM

41. MeidasTouch is great

Lincoln Project has done a lot of good work and I'm glad for any help they give, but MeidasTouch are actual liberal Democrats.

I hope they start putting up some more of those billboards.

Wherever they can, at least, the right not only bought all the microphones, they bought the cameras, printing presses, internet access companies. And a lot of the nation's billboards. They just don't run ads they don't like

Air America was a tremendous help, despite everything that worked against it. But even something like that was just radio. I don't see how our side can ever catch up to the right on every front of the information battle.

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #41)

Sun Apr 24, 2022, 12:11 PM

42. I know there were threads on DU featuring the various Meidas Touch billboards during 2020

and they were excellent, like -



That was one way that helped to propel Warnock and Ossoff into the Senate.

The vast majority of the public is NOT paying attention "to politics" so that is a way to hit those "average people" as they drive to work or to the store or wherever. Billboards are sound-bite worthy (and a number of the newer ones are LED types that change) but can have that kind of powerful impact without being wordy.

The DNC had put this up here in Philly along 1-95S a year ago (not far from the stadiums) -

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 06:42 PM

32. Right, & an essential part of successful messaging is delivering your message to the target audience

Messaging is a process, like marketing.

Consider TV advertising as an analogy. You can come up with fabulous compelling messages & embody them in enthralling audio/video presentations (commercials), but if you don't deliver them to the eyes & ears & minds of your target audience, it's all for naught.

That's effective messaging.

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 08:51 PM

34. Lack of media attention IS the problem. I've been thinking about this for quite a while

and I believe this problem with the media has existed forever. Our Dems don't do outragious things! They just go to work & do their jobs. The media comes running with cameraman in tow when an argument breaks out o the Capital steps between to Congessmen. Theu make sure they get clips of the blowhard making ridiculous statements in a heari g or on the floor of Congress.

Do you see what I mean? It's jus t a replay of the old saying...IF IT BLEEDS IT LEADS.

I sure don't want the Dems to start saying & doing insane things just to get noticed, but they or we have to figure out some way to mke exciting & interesting news!

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 05:12 PM

25. Better messaging, I'm all for that!

As Don says:
"No more of this when they go low, we go high.
When they go low, I'm already going to be there waiting."

These are different times and this is what is needed imho. Being the "nice guys" isn't working for us. We have to be honest but we have to hit them hard on all their bullshit and lies.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 05:27 PM

27. Better messaging wont crack their large fake news media infrastructure.

That's where most of the bullshit about Democrats comes from. But none the less , i wish Don the best all the same

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 06:32 PM

31. So what do you suggest?

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Response to StarryNite (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 07:55 PM

33. We can build our own media network to rival theirs

or tear theirs down. The latter been the best option as it gets at the heart of the problem.

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 09:54 PM

36. 10, 20 years ago, sure. Now, we are where we are. Unless you figured

out some way of pulling this shit off before November.

Since the Democratic leadership couldn't be bothered when the Mike Malloys and Thomm Hartmans of the world were sounding the alarm, almost begging them for some help. We're left scrambling with whatever scraps we can scrounge. Unfortunately, I should add.

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #33)

Sun Apr 24, 2022, 01:54 PM

44. We tried this, but we don't run on fear & lies. It's almost impossible to compete with that.

RIP Air America

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Response to Native (Reply #44)

Sun Apr 24, 2022, 02:31 PM

45. If you really look at how they program

the bundles of AM stations that they bought, they don't just run their syndicated gas bags but ALSO have "local programming" like "car maintenance" shows or "local sports talk" or "real estate discussion" or "consumer" shows or what I listen to every week - a "garden show".

Those programs were already existing on those stations and were popular in those local markets so when they bought the stations, they maintained SOME of those shows, but ditched the rest to replace with their zombies spouting mindless lies and hate.

So do the same - get a syndicated line-up of crack liberal talk broadcasters and then you can intersperse with stuff that has slowly been eroded from the airwaves and replaced with loon talk - i.e., the local "home and lifestyle" type programming. That way you build up (or try to regain) a loyal listenership who will now be exposed to OUR politics when they choose to dip in.

And again - this is all radio, not TV (which is what Air America was and had an enormously difficult time competing with both the M$M and loon RW channels).

Whatever is broadcast on the radio can also be streamed and archived as podcasts. The radio versions hit the older demographic (who is more likely to vote and not always internet savvy enough "stream" ).

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 06:15 PM

30. With better messaging we just might be able to save America.

Unfortunately the Right has a big head start on us & have already built a rich & powerful propaganda cabal to spread their lies.

We have a lot of catching up to do if we are to compete with them.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2022, 09:13 PM

35. Hope he can do what Frank Luntz did for the Tea Party

A powerful sound bite can defeat the best speech.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #35)

Sun Apr 24, 2022, 11:19 AM

38. Hopefully.

Last edited Sun Apr 24, 2022, 12:31 PM - Edit history (1)

The "tea party" and ALEC and Club for Growth. You know, the Kochs'.

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Response to 7wo7rees (Reply #38)

Sun Apr 24, 2022, 11:22 AM

39. Being from WI. Wiskochson.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2022, 11:26 AM

40. He's also an ass and blocked me on Twitter simply because I called out his

obnoxious self promotion.

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Response to mainer (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2022, 01:51 PM

43. Oh Happy Day!

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