Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

EndlessWire

(6,518 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2022, 11:46 PM Apr 2022

If the Russians are using chemical agents

then, KICK THEM OUT OF THE UN Security Council . Take it to the GA to avoid the veto, and KICK THEM TO THE CURB. They have no place in a civilized meeting. They won't be missed. Replace them with...Ukraine! I don't know, someone who doesn't rape toddlers, kill men and women, and drop chemicals on civilians.

Honest to G-d, this shit is killing me. I want my only problem to be, how to hatch eggs in an incubator on my kitchen table. I'm going to spend some time supporting the World Central Kitchen.

I feel BAD about Syria. I feel BAD about Yemen (some really fine music from Northern Command back in the day.) But, this war is equally bad, and I want it to end with Ukraine winning!

Bomb the living crap out of their fleets. I thought Trump had beaten me up pretty bad, but it seems as if Putin also has the capacity to desensitize me into wishing for destruction on his ass. And, I am a lot TALLER than his tiny carcass! Eff you, Putin, your new warlord, and all who support you!

KICK RUSSIA OUT OF THE UN.

20 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
If the Russians are using chemical agents (Original Post) EndlessWire Apr 2022 OP
One thing for sure - it's time for Putin to LOSE. dchill Apr 2022 #1
Total bullshit, for what reason would Putin do this? OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2022 #2
Hopefully, Biden and NATO will take action IF CONFIRMED. Hoyt Apr 2022 #3
No, Biden will continue standing strong. David__77 Apr 2022 #9
If Putler is using chemical weapons and continues to use them... roamer65 Apr 2022 #4
No. EndlessWire Apr 2022 #5
Mutual Assured Destruction. roamer65 Apr 2022 #6
No, I won't. EndlessWire Apr 2022 #11
No. roamer65 Apr 2022 #15
Russian has been committing so many war crimes that Putin feels free to commit a few more LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2022 #7
This is equivalent to demanding end of UN. David__77 Apr 2022 #8
So be it. EndlessWire Apr 2022 #12
The U.N. has 4 main purposes ripcord Apr 2022 #14
Let's not stop with kicking Russia out of the U.N. Let's kick out China and all the other abqtommy Apr 2022 #10
China is a PITA EndlessWire Apr 2022 #13
One thing I've learned from history is that Fascists/Communists not directly invoved in abqtommy Apr 2022 #17
Many people have no idea the repercussions that this could lead to ripcord Apr 2022 #16
Nothing will happen. EndlessWire Apr 2022 #19
It can not be done. former9thward Apr 2022 #18
So be it. EndlessWire Apr 2022 #20

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
4. If Putler is using chemical weapons and continues to use them...
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 01:03 AM
Apr 2022

after being warned to stop, there is only one real way to level the playing field for Ukraine.

Give them equal chemical weapon munitions such as VX nerve gas. That’s our equivalent to Novichok.

EndlessWire

(6,518 posts)
5. No.
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 02:11 AM
Apr 2022

I disagree. Use of any biological or chemical weapon is against humanity. It does not level the playing field. It would not make Ukraine whole.

We could shock Russia by throwing all in, sink all their ships in retaliation. They have already been warned against the use of chemical weapons. They know what they are doing is a crime. They don't care. We will have no further obligation regarding our self imposed rules against boots on the ground. But, we should never use any such agents.

By your logic, we should be kidnapping and raping Russian toddlers. That would, of course, be a crime against humanity which I would not like our side to commit. I understand your rage; I have a considerable amount of my own. But, we can't do that.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
6. Mutual Assured Destruction.
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 02:53 AM
Apr 2022

MAD.

Russians only know force, as we applied during the Cold War.

The rape comment is unwarranted and out of the topic. Nowhere in my statement do I advocate it.

Retract it.

EndlessWire

(6,518 posts)
11. No, I won't.
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 12:12 PM
Apr 2022

It is a logic discussion only; nowhere did I say that you advocated that. I said that your logic is faulty. Tit for tat doesn't work in this situation. I object to your saying that we should inflict nerve poisoning on Russian soldiers. You retract that.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,152 posts)
7. Russian has been committing so many war crimes that Putin feels free to commit a few more
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 03:14 AM
Apr 2022

It is time to give Ukraine airplanes and other more offensive weapons

ripcord

(5,372 posts)
14. The U.N. has 4 main purposes
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 12:22 PM
Apr 2022
To keep peace throughout the world;
To develop friendly relations among nations;
To help nations work together to improve the lives of poor people, to conquer hunger, disease and illiteracy, and to encourage respect for each other’s rights and freedoms;
To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations to achieve these goals


How many of those can't be kept right now because Russia is using the rules to stop the U.N. from fulfilling their purposes? If the U.N. can't fulfill their purpose what is the use of having a place for nations to talk Russia isn't listening and is laughing at the U.N.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
10. Let's not stop with kicking Russia out of the U.N. Let's kick out China and all the other
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 06:31 AM
Apr 2022

countries that support their agenda. Enough is too much already!

EndlessWire

(6,518 posts)
13. China is a PITA
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 12:19 PM
Apr 2022

but they haven't yet done anything to warrant exclusion, despite their mean, aggressive purging of those that don't fit their ideas, and the threat to Taiwan. Plus, the fake islands...still, they aren't raping civilians or bombing with chemicals. We can still talk with them. There is no more talking with Russia. Putin is mad.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
17. One thing I've learned from history is that Fascists/Communists not directly invoved in
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 01:35 PM
Apr 2022

any fighting are at the minimum complicit. Yes, those groups love to talk while they're
taking over and stabbing their enemies in the back. Don't forget Tiananmen Square,
the Uighurs and Hong Kong.

ripcord

(5,372 posts)
16. Many people have no idea the repercussions that this could lead to
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 12:38 PM
Apr 2022

If Russia uses any WMD, chemical, biological or nuclear and any of it drifts into a NATO nation it can be considered an attack.

former9thward

(31,987 posts)
18. It can not be done.
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 02:05 PM
Apr 2022

The White House has said that. The GA can't pass binding resolutions. The SC has veto power over any GA resolution that would have the UN do some action. Want Russia out of the UN? Fine, create a whole new international body without them in it.

EndlessWire

(6,518 posts)
20. So be it.
Tue Apr 12, 2022, 02:25 PM
Apr 2022

We'd all be better off. Neither one of them are helpful. I'd kick them out based on their Olympic Manifesto alone. They want to use the UN as a PR vehicle to lead the world, with them being the leaders.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»If the Russians are using...