HMS Bounty abandoned off N.C. coast 2 crew missing

[riverwalker]

Helicopter sent to rescue 17 people who abandoned HMS Bounty off N.C. coast

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/29/14775512-helicopter-sent-to-rescue-17-people-who-abandoned-hms-bounty-off-nc-coast?lite

[jenw2]

1. Considering the ship has been for sale for years...

sinking it to collect the insurance money was the logical thing to do. Too bad the rich owner decided to put the crew at risk with his money making scheme.

[JanMichael]

2. you don't know that

it's bad enough that Republicans make stuff up; don't do it here.

[Sherman A1]

5. Agreed

I find such a statement, peculiar at best. People's lives are at risk and without real evidence to the contrary, such speculation is far from helpful.

[Kindly Refrain]

6. The only real evidence

Is that the captain sailed the ship directly into a hurricane.

[cali]

17. So you're suggesting that he risked not only the lives of his crew, but his own?

[Kindly Refrain]

21. Not suggesting anything.

The fact is, he steered his ship into a hurricane.

[cali]

27. Of course you suggested something. You cited the actions of the Captain

as evidence that the ship was scuttled.

[bahrbearian]

28. So he should of sailed in the trough?

Or better yet run with it.

[Kindly Refrain]

30. No, they should have stayed put at their last port.

Our anchored out in Long Island Sound.

[cali]

7. let's be honest: it ain't just repubs. It happens on a daily basis here.

I tend to attribute it to a form of partisanship which seems to melt brains.

[yawnmaster]

25. I agree with you, Cali...

sometimes I think a hobby (apolitical) would help.
What is life if your entire focus is the gaming of politics?
In my opinion, politics (and the resulting government) is a means to enabling of the "pursuit of happiness" (among other things).
When one's entire focus is on the means, the end is forgotten.

[cali]

3. I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous speculation

There is no indication that this is true, and from what I've read it was the Captain's decision. According to his wife he made a decision to try and skirt the storm.

[jenw2]

8. It's not speculation

From the Wiki page:

"The HMS Bounty's owners have tried, unsuccessfully, to sell the vessel since 2010."

And here is the for sale page:

[link:http://easternyachts.com/bounty/index.htm]http://easternyachts.com/bounty/index.htm[/link]

It's public knowledge that the current owner has been trying very hard to get rid of this ship. Are you going to apologize now?

[Sherman A1]

9. The ship being up for sale and the accusation of

An insurance scam are two completely different things. Please provide evidence to support your theory, beyond a for sale notice.

[cali]

10. fuck no, honey. it's ridiculous speculation.

Because it was for sale doesn't even begin to mean that the owner scuttled the ship. Critical thinking clearly isn't something YOU engage in.

[jenw2]

11. Then answer this question...

Why sail into a hurricane? Where is your critical thinking?

[cali]

14. The captain, according to his wife,

was trying to skirt the storm, heading for FL.

[Berserker]

19. Naval ships

leave port and go out to sea when a hurricane threatens. I know I have sailed into two of them while in the Navy. While I know nothing about tall ships it could be what the captain did to try and save her by skirting the storm.

[Kindly Refrain]

23. Those ships weigh 97,000 tons

The Bounty is a bath tube toy by comparison. Plus any captain knows that the shoals off Cape Hatteras are about some of the most dangerous waters in the world.

[catnhatnh]

20. Listen Shithead-people may be DEAD.

Ever been on the Atlantic in a storm??? The last attempt to save a ship is always to face into the wind. Your' accusation while lacking evidence is beyond discussing.

[Kindly Refrain]

22. Oh jesus chirst

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It wasn't like he was "caught off guard" How long have people known about this storm and it's trajectory? A week? Longer?

[cali]

26. what is your sea going experience?

[Kindly Refrain]

29. Any suggestion that they wanted to "ride out the storm" is ridiculous

They could have done it in many other more protected areas. Only large naval vessels ride out the storm at sea because they are large enough to handle it. The Bounty met the storm at the worst place possible off the coast of North Carolina and the Outerbanks. Not only were they sailing into the wind, they were sailing against the Gulf Stream.

[cali]

33. again, what is your sea going experience?

unless you're an expert, your just spouting bullshit, dear.

[Kindly Refrain]

34. You don't need to be an expert to get a captain's license, dear.

Per the captain that sailed his ship directly into the Graveyard of the Atlantic during a hurricane. I've lived and sailed in that area for the past 30 years. You don't fuck with the shoals off the Carolina coast.

[HooptieWagon]

24. With the yardarms and rigging, too much windage to head in to seas.

No motor would be powerful enough to hold the bow into the waves. Plus, off Cape Hatteras its like a washing machine, waves come from all directions.
Captain would have been much better to have gone into the Chesapeake Bay for shelter. Square-riggers and hurricanes don't mix.

[aletier_v]

12. Scuttling of over-valued boats has been common during the recession

We'd need to see the loan papers on the ship.

If it was purchased at or near the peak of the boom (2006-2008), fraud becomes increasingly more likely.

[cali]

15. I'm sure it has, but this is still just speculation without facts.

[riverwalker]

4. I saw it when the Tall Ships came to Duluth

it was magnificent to see.

[marions ghost]

16. Fail

No matter what they owe, they would not risk the crew.

Do you think you can wait for the full story?

[morningfog]

18. And the 2 missing? They were just waiting to cash in that life insurance, huh?

What a calloused thing to say.

[billh58]

31. Well, well...

Another Gungeon devotee ventures a foray into the real world -- and fails.

[lapislzi]

13. Been on the Bounty

My daughter has crewed Tall Ships. Bounty's crew was older and seasoned, although the last time I saw it (July) seemed a little skimpy for such a large vessel.

I cannot imagine what the captain was thinking, except to sail straight through to calmer seas mid-Atlantic.

Daughter's ship (Unicorn) is getting tossed about somewhere in NJ Hope it is OK for next summer's sail.

[aikoaiko]

32. My son and I visited the Bounty this summer when it was in port.

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I'm sad to hear that its been lost, but more sad to hear about the two crew members.