I wonder if Ukraine is becoming an arms dealer's wet dream.

[Chainfire]

It appears, at this time, that the war has reached a sort of stalemate where neither side has the ability to destroy the other. It may be the modern equivalent of trench warfare. The war has no end in sight, but the fighting and the prospect of future fighting, continues. With every RPG used, every bomb dropped, every firearm destroyed, every bullet spent, it opens an opportunity for a sale. Wartime must be wonderful for those who provide the means to kill people for profit.

Of course, I may have it all wrong. My depth of "knowledge" of the workings of the dealers of death comes from adventure novels, and I have no clue where the authors got their "knowledge."

[WarGamer]

1. MIC is happy.

[Irish_Dem]

2. I had the same thought.

Someone is going to get rich.

[BeyondGeography]

3. Forget Ukraine, the world is their wet dream

We just tacked on $30 bn to our defense budget to pay for all the assistance we’re giving. Putin has surely added to the list of perceived threats which will jack our spend even higher. Germany is committing to NATO’s 2% requirement, China’s on a mission and Russia will need to re-arm.

For starters.

[Chainfire]

5. That is a really good point. Thanks

[intrepidity]

4. I doubt one needs any special knowledge at all

to make that deduction. Although, I'd think it'd be the factories making the hardware moreso than dealers, who are drooling. Dealers too, though.

It's logical.

[Chainfire]

6. Agreed, but in my mind, rightly or wrongly, I lump the entire system under one label.

The investors that make the system possible, the man making the bullet, the man wholesaling the bullet, the man distributing the bullet and the ones who directs how and where they are used.

It would be good if societies considered all of those people filth to be despised. Treat them like Steppenwolf treated The Pusher.

Without them, we would have to make war with sticks and stones; very up-close and personal. It might make the whole process unpalatable because most people would find it more difficult to beat someone' brains out than to shoot them from a safe distance.

[Jirel]

7. Nice Russian talking point, there.

This is the #1 or #2 talking point used in Russian propaganda for “sophisticated” left audiences.

First, it seems less and less likely that there is a “stalemate.” Ukraine has been driving Russians out, more and more, as they are capturing weapons and armor, cutting Russian supply lines, and getting intel and weapons from western countries. Conversely, Russians are running out of supplies and arms, and most importantly are losing both officers and poorly trained conscripts in droves. It is entirely possible that Ukraine may beat back Russia even in Donbas, if not Crimea.

2. So what? Countries use a lot of weapons and ammo when defending themselves against naked aggression by a neighbor. It’s kind of a foregone conclusion that the military-industrial complex and some arms dealers will all make money on this. Great. Keep the arms flowing to Ukraine, to keep improving their ability to drive Russia out decisively.

[leftstreet]

8. That's out of line n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

9. Thank you.

[Wingus Dingus]

10. Yeah, I've seen the "stalemate" as a Russian talking point, after they

could no longer plausibly claim they were winning or that "everything is going according to Putin's plan!". The point is to suggest that Ukraine will not prevail and Russia won't quit, so to save suffering, they should succumb to Russian demands. And yeah, who the fuck cares RIGHT NOW about weapon proliferation in Ukraine as long as they stay under control of an independent Ukrainian government? I don't think they have ENOUGH shit, frankly. It's a weird concern if you are rooting for Ukraine to prevail.

[Chainfire]

11. Where did that come from? I think that you missed the whole point of the thread.

If you think that you have anything to add to the conversation, please join in. But apparently you don't understand the term stalemate.

The war being in a temporary stalemate is an indictment of the failure of the mighty Russian Army for not being able to immediately defeat their peaceful weak neighbor. Fighting them to a temporary draw is one hell of an accomplishment of arms for Zelensky and team. To try to twist that into some sort of Russian propaganda is very weak as well as offensive.

If you are trying to imply that I am some sort of Russian "agent" sneaking into the DU to spread like, you are being very silly.

https://www.criticalthreats.org/analysis/what-stalemate-means-in-ukraine-and-why-it-matters

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/24/world/europe/ukraine-war-russia-stalemate.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/nato-sees-russia-war-entering-stalemate-neither-side-can-win-rcna20877