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Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:22 PM

Should NATO help Ukraine shoot down Russian jets that are murdering civilians?


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Yes, by using their own jets and pilots to shoot down Russian jets murdering people
3 (10%)
Yes, by donating equipment including jets that can shoot down Russian jets that are murdering people
18 (62%)
Yes by donating additional equipment limited to non jets and SAMs to shoot down Russian jets that are murdering people
7 (24%)
Yes, by continuing to donate Stingers and other anti air equipment to shoot down jets that are murdering people
0 (0%)
No.
1 (3%)
Something else.
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Reply Should NATO help Ukraine shoot down Russian jets that are murdering civilians? (Original post)
ColinC Mar 2022 OP
Igel Mar 2022 #1
Polybius Mar 2022 #2
ColinC Mar 2022 #4
Polybius Mar 2022 #7
lpbk2713 Mar 2022 #3
Locutusofborg Mar 2022 #5
ColinC Mar 2022 #6
bif Mar 2022 #8
brooklynite Mar 2022 #9
ColinC Mar 2022 #10
Locutusofborg Mar 2022 #11

Response to ColinC (Original post)

Tue Mar 29, 2022, 11:41 PM

1. The only question is what "help" means.

Provide S-300s and any missiles that work with them.

Provide MiGs and SUs.

Provide anything that takes out a fighter at 13k m and might be deniable.

(While you're at it, provide tanks and APCs. Defensive weapons suck at offensives. "Victory at all losts. Oh. Typo? That would be telling."

Don't tell us. Don't preen and say you're thinking about it--then decide "no". Or "we're trying to make it possible" when a signature is at most what's necessary. Don't say "yes, we approve" then "but if they do it, they're on their own." In other words: Don't be a weasel. Just say, "Um ...". Nike was the goddess of victory ... Just do it.

If, if you need the poli points, say, "We did it." Only past tense is accepted; present tense ("we are currently actually doing it" is provisional. "We will do it..." the future isn't real. Talk "real."

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:13 AM

2. No

Continue the sanctions and weapon supplies.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:49 AM

4. So should we stop supplying weapons that can shoot down

Russian jets?

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Response to ColinC (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:31 PM

7. Not we shouldn't stop

I said "Continue the sanctions and weapon supplies." Why would you think I said stop, when in my reply I said continue?

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:21 AM

3. Provide anything but manned aircraft.



Civilians have access to a variety of weapons. They may not accurately
identify friendly aircraft and fire at anything they see in the sky.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 02:06 AM

5. NATO should stay out of it

Individual nations, including NATO members should do whatever they want, including jets and pilots, to assist Ukraine to defend itself.

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Response to Locutusofborg (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 02:08 AM

6. Hmmm... Not a bad idea

It is a bit weird that Poland tried to lend Ukraine jets and was supposedly overruled by the US. They should be able to do what they want with their own things.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:36 PM

8. Agreed!

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Response to ColinC (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:43 PM

9. Not what they proposed...

They proposed to give Ukraine their Soviet-era planes (which Ukrainian pilots were used to) if the US would replace them with American planes.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2022, 02:30 PM

11. I'll trade you a 1996 Nissan Sentra (MiG 29s)

for your Tesla Model S (US F-16s). Good deal, right? 😀

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