HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » What should NATO do (re: ...

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:17 AM

What should NATO do (re: Ukraine)?


49 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
They should provide less support to Ukraine.
0 (0%)
They should continue to provide the same amount of support to Ukraine
2 (4%)
They should provide more material support limited to non jets.
7 (14%)
They should provide more material support including jets.
29 (59%)
They should enforce a no fly zone and potentially shoot down Russian jets.
3 (6%)
They should immediately bring Ukraine into NATO and issue an ultimatum to Russia to leave
3 (6%)
Something else
3 (6%)
"boots on the ground"
2 (4%)
Show usernames
Disclaimer: This is an Internet poll

30 replies, 999 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 30 replies Author Time Post
Reply What should NATO do (re: Ukraine)? (Original post)
ColinC Mar 2022 OP
lapfog_1 Mar 2022 #1
Ocelot II Mar 2022 #2
ColinC Mar 2022 #3
smirkymonkey Mar 2022 #6
BGBD Mar 2022 #4
ColinC Mar 2022 #5
BGBD Mar 2022 #8
ColinC Mar 2022 #9
Kaleva Mar 2022 #14
ColinC Mar 2022 #16
Kaleva Mar 2022 #17
ColinC Mar 2022 #18
Kaleva Mar 2022 #21
qazplm135 Mar 2022 #23
Kaleva Mar 2022 #26
qazplm135 Mar 2022 #27
ColinC Mar 2022 #28
Kaleva Mar 2022 #29
qazplm135 Mar 2022 #30
Calculating Mar 2022 #7
Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #10
qazplm135 Mar 2022 #11
ColinC Mar 2022 #12
Pantagruel Mar 2022 #13
Kaleva Mar 2022 #15
ColinC Mar 2022 #19
Kaleva Mar 2022 #20
ColinC Mar 2022 #22
Tomconroy Mar 2022 #24
Locutusofborg Mar 2022 #25

Response to ColinC (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:26 AM

1. We need a 007 to save the world.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:30 AM

2. I don't know.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ocelot II (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:42 AM

3. Understandable. Although it does appear that "do more"

Is so far resoundingly in the lead.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Ocelot II (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:49 AM

6. I'm with you.

 

I have no idea. But more support in some way would be a good idea. Including food and other necessities for those who are unable to get out of the country.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:45 AM

4. Making decisions without all of the information

 

Is dumb.

The WH and Pentagon are making these decisions with a lot more in mind than anyone here. Maybe just trust them.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BGBD (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:47 AM

5. If people in power with all the information making decisions was best

...Iraq would have been the best decision of all!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 01:21 AM

8. Biden is George Bush?

 

Cool.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to BGBD (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 01:25 AM

9. No. But the logical fallacy of "they do what's best because they have information we don't have"

Often gets us into more problems than it helps.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:01 AM

14. But the question is specific to the Biden Administration

Nobody here would make such an argument if TFG was in the WH.

I think you'd agree that the Biden and his team can be trusted to make the best possible choice based on the info they have.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kaleva (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:10 AM

16. If the Biden admin is to be believed (and there is no reason they shouldn't)

Then their reasoning is not based on information they have vs what we don't have. Their reasoning is based on the fear that any help beyond a certain point will provoke Putin into starting nuclear war. Meanwhile, NATO stands by as an entire city is starving to death and chemical weapons have been deployed because they are afraid that helping Ukraine defend itself will get Putin to nuke us. Nobody is arguing it is much more complicated than this and we are allowing a malevolent dictator to use the fact he has nukes to keep us from doing the right thing.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:15 AM

17. Do you or do you not trust Biden to make the best possible choice?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kaleva (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:18 AM

18. I only hope he will.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Reply #18)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:29 AM

21. I trust him

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kaleva (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:57 AM

23. I trust him to do his best

That doesn't always equate to the best outcome.

I don't blindly follow anyone.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to qazplm135 (Reply #23)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 10:29 AM

26. Which D President in the past did u stop following?

Or did you continue to follow them regardless of what they decided and the outcome?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kaleva (Reply #26)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:20 PM

27. Moving the goalposts I see

You want blind obedience. Loyalty doesn't require that. The most loyal admit their leaders aren't always perfect but know that they are trying their best to find the right path, even as they sometimes fail. They are even willing to point out when a course of action is suboptimal.

The blindly loyal think their leaders cannot fail in always picking the best possible course of action.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to qazplm135 (Reply #27)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:25 PM

28. +1

Well said, thank you!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to qazplm135 (Reply #27)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:59 PM

29. So you continue to be loyal regardless of the outcome?

You will stick with our party leaders no matter what?

You say you are different but your behavior is exactly the same as mine and most everyone else's here.

It doesn't matter to you or me if Biden is successful regarding Ukraine or not. We both will continue to follow him

You didn't answer the question and I'll assume you remained loyal to and followed Carter, Clinton and Obama through thick and thin.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kaleva (Reply #29)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 03:06 PM

30. no matter what?

No, I don't stick with anyone "no matter what."

This is now officially a silly conversation and there's no point in continuing it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 12:56 AM

7. Give them the Jets and more drones

...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 01:26 AM

10. Whatever material support is necessary for Ukraine to finish the job.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 01:44 AM

11. Unpopular opinion but

I would establish a NATO safe zone in western Ukraine. Polish and other troops in Lviv, Ivano-frankivst, maybe even Odessa. No direct engagement in the fighting but make it clear there's going to be a safe part of Ukraine for those who want to leave to go without having to leave the whole country.

Would also dissuade Belarus and free up Ukrainian forces.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to qazplm135 (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 01:50 AM

12. You got my vote

It would likely save thousands of lives as well.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:01 AM

13. Boots on the ground

Send a few crack Nato armored divisions to the Polish/Ukrainian borders. See if their presence induces a response.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:04 AM

15. It's easy to make a choice when not responsible for the outcome.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kaleva (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:20 AM

19. We are all responsible for the outcome

And will likely face the fallout regardless of what decision is made.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:28 AM

20. We won't be held responsible

It won't be us signing letters to grieving widows or parents or laying awake at night thinking of all the dead we caused by how we voted on an Internet poll at DU.

But we will face the fallout, good or bad, by what Biden decides.


Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kaleva (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 02:34 AM

22. I think a nuke falling on us qualifies pretty well as "held responsible"

Or if us or our children are drafted due to a world war. There are many ways we can and will be held responsible for a bad decision besides elected officials being taken to the presses for it.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 03:41 AM

24. We have given Ukraine the weapons to prevent them from

losing the war. It's time to give them the weapons to win the war, at the very least.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to ColinC (Original post)

Sun Mar 27, 2022, 04:01 AM

25. Countries currently supplying military aid to Ukraine

Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, [European Union], Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Ireland, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, North Macedonia, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, United Kingdom, and United States.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/22/ukraine-weapons-military-aid-00019104

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread