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Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:11 AM Mar 2022

We Aren't Just Watching the Decline of the Oscars. We're Watching the End of the Movies

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/25/opinion/oscars-movies-end.html

Everyone has a theory about the decline of the Academy Awards, the sinking ratings that have led to endless Oscar reinventions. The show is too long; no, the show is too desperate to pander to short attention spans. The movies are too woke; no, the academy voters aren’t diverse enough. Hollywood makes too many superhero movies; no, the academy doesn’t nominate enough superhero movies. (A querulous voice from the back row: Why can’t they just bring back Billy Crystal?)

My favored theory is that the Oscars are declining because the movies they were made to showcase have been slowly disappearing. The ideal Oscar nominee is a high-middlebrow movie, aspiring to real artistry and sometimes achieving it, that’s made to be watched on the big screen, with famous stars, vivid cinematography and a memorable score. It’s neither a difficult film for the art-house crowd nor a comic-book blockbuster but a film for the largest possible audience of serious adults — the kind of movie that was commonplace in the not-so-distant days when Oscar races regularly threw up conflicts in which every moviegoer had a stake: “Titanic” against “L.A. Confidential,” “Saving Private Ryan” against “Shakespeare in Love,” “Braveheart” against “Sense and Sensibility” against “Apollo 13.”

That analysis explains why this year’s Academy Awards — reworked yet again, with various technical awards taped in advance and a trio of hosts added — have a particular sense of an ending about them. There are 10 best picture nominees, and many of them look like the kind of Oscar movies that the show so desperately needs. “West Side Story”: Steven Spielberg directing an update of a classic musical! “King Richard”: a stirring sports movie lifted by a bravura Will Smith performance! “Dune”: an epic adaptation of a science-fiction classic! “Don’t Look Up”: a big-issue movie starring Leonardo DiCaprio and Jennifer Lawrence! “Drive My Car”: a three-hour Japanese film about the complex relationship between a widowed thespian and his young female chauffeur!

OK, maybe that last one appeals to a slightly more niche audience. But the point is that this year’s nominees offer their share of famous actors, major directors and classic Hollywood genres. And yet, for all of that, almost nobody went to see them in the theaters. When the nominees were announced in February, nine of the 10 had made less than $40 million in domestic box office. The only exception, “Dune,” barely exceeded $100 million domestically, making it the 13th-highest-grossing movie of 2021. All told, the 10 nominees together have earned barely one-fourth as much at the domestic box office as “Spider-Man: No Way Home.”

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We Aren't Just Watching the Decline of the Oscars. We're Watching the End of the Movies (Original Post) Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 OP
It's the age of streaming and big TVs. Nt onlyadream Mar 2022 #1
Pooh on that. Jirel Mar 2022 #2
Precisely Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #3
This post deserves an award. Hugin Mar 2022 #8
I would like to thank the academy Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #13
And here's two bucks for a cup of coffee. Hugin Mar 2022 #18
My 60 year old son has always loved movies, went to one last week and had popcorn, a soda, SheilaAnn Mar 2022 #4
Movies used snowybirdie Mar 2022 #9
Its more and more difficult to suss out a film worth watching. There are some really great films msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #85
Regal Cinemas does a $5 ticket special all day on Tuesdays happybird Mar 2022 #11
Need to take a family of four exboyfil Mar 2022 #20
Almost $80 for my family Tree-Hugger Mar 2022 #27
Great post obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #30
The Oscars used to be an event. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2022 #5
Funny you say that bc one of the reasons I tune in is to see if anybody goes on a verbal rampage Doremus Mar 2022 #29
See the vent on YouTube the next day. jimfields33 Mar 2022 #33
Nah, I enjoy the hoopla, red carpet, etc. Doremus Mar 2022 #34
Cool. I'm glad you enjoy them! jimfields33 Mar 2022 #44
You like meat & punch down humor? JanMichael Mar 2022 #91
In my household the Oscars are still a thing . ... Lovie777 Mar 2022 #6
Same here, my wife and I make an effort to see every film in every major category each year. GumboYaYa Mar 2022 #22
" ... and yet, almost nobody went to see them FalloutShelter Mar 2022 #7
Any subjects left untouched? Any acting going on, or just computer graphics? bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #10
exactly the way it is for me. msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #87
I agree with Seth Rogen JI7 Mar 2022 #12
I agree there are so many more things to care about Tree Lady Mar 2022 #52
Which leads to... WarGamer Mar 2022 #73
People stopped caring when the Oscars stopped being objective in awards and PoC were left out uponit7771 Mar 2022 #88
There are plenty of movies being made...post Covid (whatever that means) Ferrets are Cool Mar 2022 #14
Pretty sure there were plenty of 2+ hour movies no one thought were "epics" onenote Mar 2022 #36
Must just be my perception Ferrets are Cool Mar 2022 #47
I think the perception of movies being longer is largely a factor of shortened attention spans onenote Mar 2022 #48
Most likely, you are correct. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2022 #50
Studios want movies to be about 90 minutes obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #82
I'm trying to watch what i missed out on for the Oscars, but I am not very thrilled w this smirkymonkey Mar 2022 #15
The Academy Awards used to be something special FakeNoose Mar 2022 #16
Streaming services and cable may have done in the Oscars. Kaleva Mar 2022 #17
exactly--I mean, I love movies and am even interested in who wins, but not in actually watching fishwax Mar 2022 #21
I'm also interested in who wins and like you, am not interested in actually watching the show. Kaleva Mar 2022 #23
+1, theatres now are for GREAT epic films and popcorn fun not the C level movies pushed onto the uponit7771 Mar 2022 #89
Do a couple years of a pandemic have anything to do with that? 2naSalit Mar 2022 #19
It doesn't work when it is forced. LiberatedUSA Mar 2022 #24
it's not the movies -- it's just that awards shows can't compete in this media environment fishwax Mar 2022 #25
Excellent post, and totally agree about moonscape Mar 2022 #26
I'll be watching! Tree-Hugger Mar 2022 #28
Me, too. After I see the wardrobes, I'm done. littlemissmartypants Mar 2022 #80
We've already lived through the disintegration of the Music industry. maxsolomon Mar 2022 #31
I've seen more commercials for it this year... Phentex Mar 2022 #32
This article largely ignores that we just came out of a multi-year pandemic Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2022 #35
Rooting for CODA. It reminds me of great movies like Terms of Endearment and Steel Magnolias ZonkerHarris Mar 2022 #37
I really liked Steal Magnolias, but did not like really like Terms of Endearment too sad. Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #40
And that is why the Oscars are declining...they mostly pick movies that no one cares about... Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #38
The numbers don't support your theory onenote Mar 2022 #49
I just don't see it...American Sniper was a rightwing kind of movie and Clint Eastwood totally made Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #55
There hasn't a been a Best Picture winner among the top 10 box office films of each year since 2003. Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #57
That is true... Demsrule86 Mar 2022 #92
Unusually (for me), I've actually seen 2 out of the 10 nominees this time. Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #93
Not being snarky here Tink41 Mar 2022 #39
Yo (raises hand). For that matter, I eat out on a regular basis, travel, etc. Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #41
Just adding another viewpoint Tink41 Mar 2022 #42
Again?... lame54 Mar 2022 #43
Maybe regular people got sick of seeing Sur Zobra Mar 2022 #45
I'll never be sick of seeing the former, but perhaps that's just me. Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #46
I love women, but there is a place for Sur Zobra Mar 2022 #54
Well, they're not naked per se, just wearing titillating (sorry) clothing. Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #56
Define "regular people" onenote Mar 2022 #51
Regular people are ones who do not worship celebrties Sur Zobra Mar 2022 #53
Definitely not the case. BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #65
Not true at all! Nt USALiberal Mar 2022 #68
Wow, that headline is some serious Chicken Little shit. "The sky is falling!" Withywindle Mar 2022 #58
I recently read someone speculating that within a generation or two going out to see a film that Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #59
It's also just more convenient. Sympthsical Mar 2022 #64
YouTube will let me know if anything interesting happens Sympthsical Mar 2022 #60
Somehow, I just can't get excited Retrograde Mar 2022 #61
I just tried to watch Dune on HBO Max mnhtnbb Mar 2022 #62
LOL BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #66
Lighten up! Nt USALiberal Mar 2022 #69
Awards shows across the board have seen declines in ratings BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #63
The right wing hates Hollywood. Kingofalldems Mar 2022 #67
The movies are garbage. WarGamer Mar 2022 #70
As for the Marvel/superhero movies, the kids call them "capeshit"... keep_left Mar 2022 #75
I saw the original Ironman and thought it was good... WarGamer Mar 2022 #77
My vote is for "Power of the Dog" alphafemale Mar 2022 #71
That would be my pick too, of the ones I've seen Withywindle Mar 2022 #78
That film was amazing, imo. brilliant acting, directing, screenwriting etc etc msfiddlestix Mar 2022 #86
Wow lots of "get off my lawn" in here... ibegurpard Mar 2022 #72
Agreed obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #81
None of my top 10 favorite movies are Oscar winners Luizy Mar 2022 #74
Nah. BarackTheVote Mar 2022 #76
Nobody cares about awards shows BGBD Mar 2022 #79
A show to pat each other on the back is not that entertaining. Emile Mar 2022 #83
I think that's pretty much it, there. Captain Stern Mar 2022 #84
I love movie craft and the awards show honor that. It's not popularity. nolabear Mar 2022 #90

Jirel

(2,211 posts)
2. Pooh on that.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:25 AM
Mar 2022

The Oscars are declining because nobody gives a damn about a movie awards show. That’s several hours of our lives we all have something better to do with. Like watch a movie.

Movies are not declining. Movies are alive and well. Not seeing them in theaters is a pandemic thing, not some kind of existential problem. But we are all watching them at home, and it’s just fine. The faster the maskholes stop spreading disease in public spaces, the faster we’ll get back to seeing movies.

By the way, that’s Avery real thing. My friend coaxed me out to see a musical for the first time since the beginning of the pandemic. It was great, but I will not be doing that again any time soon. Despite masking tules and good enforcement by staff, idiots are idiots and off came masks inside the theater. Nope, no thanks. Not worth the risk.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
3. Precisely
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:30 AM
Mar 2022

I believe that the endless series of “Pat ourselves on the back” award shows killed the Oscars.

SheilaAnn

(10,036 posts)
4. My 60 year old son has always loved movies, went to one last week and had popcorn, a soda,
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:32 AM
Mar 2022

and of course the price of the ticket...$30. He's done.

snowybirdie

(5,526 posts)
9. Movies used
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:42 AM
Mar 2022

to be a fun past time for seniors and retirees. We filled the daytime showings. But now, the expense and lack of movies of substance keep folks like us away. We're already spending on Netflix, Amazon and all the other streaming movie services anyway. Covid just exacerbated the decline.

msfiddlestix

(7,657 posts)
85. Its more and more difficult to suss out a film worth watching. There are some really great films
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 09:45 AM
Mar 2022

they're just harder to find. I finally decided to close out (or suspend) Netflix account since I also have Amazon Prime, and I feel like I have more options there, though it's still time consuming to scroll through title after title and clicking on each one just to read a way too brief summation.

I hated how Netflix developed an instant play trailer thing just scrolling through. very annoying.

Films I tend to want to see often are not included in Prime But at least they're there as an option.





happybird

(4,977 posts)
11. Regal Cinemas does a $5 ticket special all day on Tuesdays
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:48 AM
Mar 2022

Discovered this a few months before the pandemic and started going every Tuesday to see a movie.
I miss it. Can’t wait till Covid is over.

exboyfil

(17,914 posts)
20. Need to take a family of four
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 10:40 AM
Mar 2022

and get the big bucket of popcorn and bring cups along to split the big drink.

I remember popcorn as a kid being in a small rectangular container and the soda much smaller.

I think matinee theater tickets were around $2 in 1976 in SoCal. That is equivalent to $10 today. The equivalent in geographic location matinee is $10 today. Granted some of the time it was a double feature where now you get trailers and then the "feature" (not sure what they are featuring since it is the only movie). The movie theaters are much nicer today than they were in the 1970s though. It does appear that first run movies were solos.

Our Tuesday movie price is $5 here so in some ways I am ahead of inflation. In SoCal you could get $1.50 Tuesday in 1977. The child's ticket has definitely gone up in price on inflation adjusted though - from $0.50 to the same $5.00.

By the way 19" color TV in 1977, $500 (equivalent to $2,355). Today Amazon has the following for the equivalent price

SAMSUNG 85-Inch Class QLED Q80A Series - 4K UHD Direct Full Array Quantum HDR 12x Smart TV with Alexa Built-in and 6 Speaker Object Tracking Sound - 60W, 2.2.2CH

Tree-Hugger

(3,378 posts)
27. Almost $80 for my family
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 01:04 PM
Mar 2022

It's nearly $80.00 after taxes and "processing" fees for tickets alone to take my family of 4 to see a first run movie at a "regular" theater. That is not including concessions. Nowadays, a lot of these theaters prefer you select your tickets online, which also gives you the option of selecting your seats. Buying tickets at the box office runs the risk of not getting to sit with your group. Of course, there is an extra fee for "online processing." Concessions are incredibly expensive and small-sizes no longer exist. I just peeked at our local theater prices. The smallest popcorn starts at $8.59. The smallest fountain soda is $6.29. The offered bottled beverages (water, ice tea, chocolate milk, juice, some sodas) starting at $4.79. A hot dog is just over $6. Candy starts at $4.79. A "kids pack" is probably the best deal - $7 and change for a very small popcorn, fruit snacks, and a bottle of water.

In my area, the decline of theaters meant many companies - AMC and Regal are two most common here - rebranded. Now, you don't have a movie theater, you have a movie tavern. Seats fully recline and have footrests. There are full meals available. And alcohol. Because god Fucking forbid Americans get through a single activity without alcohol. Now, you get to watch your $80.00 movie with a bunch of buzzed or even drunk folks who do.not.shut.up. Movie taverns are popular as heck here, but their full service nature means ticket prices went way up. The seats are damn nice. So nice.

We rarely go to movies these data because pandemic plus money. We got to a local theater that has $5 days. I think they have cheaper concessions, too, but I admit to sneaking some candies in. We also have another theater that is converted from a 1940's cinema. They only play one movie for 2 weeks. Often, it is is second run, but they have many first run movies throughout the year. It's less than $20 for all 4 of us to get in - matinee is cheaper. They sell "normal" sized concessions. Drinks start in the $2 dollar range. Popcorn starts in the $3 dollar range and t he candy is reasonable as well. The trade off is that it's cash only and there are no options to order tickets ahead of time. So, you often fine yourself waiting 45 minutes to an hour outside in order to get tickets. It's a beautiful theater and my kids love it.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,808 posts)
5. The Oscars used to be an event.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:35 AM
Mar 2022

Comedy, singing and dancing, some mild roasting, you know, entertainment. With the occasional social commentary thrown in. Now that’s all they seem to be about. A bunch of humorless scolds lecturing everyone about how bad they are and everything is. Genuinely funny people forbidden to host because of jokes they told a decade or more ago and so on and so forth. It’s not fun anymore. No one wants to tune in for a bunch of smug multi-millionaires holding forth about the plight of baby cows and how terrible of a person you are for enjoying a steak.

They killed themselves.

Doremus

(7,263 posts)
29. Funny you say that bc one of the reasons I tune in is to see if anybody goes on a verbal rampage
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 01:15 PM
Mar 2022

Makes for good entertainment as much or moreso than the comedic sketches by mediocre presenters.

jimfields33

(18,267 posts)
33. See the vent on YouTube the next day.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 01:28 PM
Mar 2022

Some just like to hear themselves speak. But at least you can fast forward on YouTube.

Doremus

(7,263 posts)
34. Nah, I enjoy the hoopla, red carpet, etc.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 01:31 PM
Mar 2022

Won't say there aren't times during the broadcast I wish I could fast forward lol but overall I find the program enjoyable.

GumboYaYa

(5,996 posts)
22. Same here, my wife and I make an effort to see every film in every major category each year.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 11:02 AM
Mar 2022

We have seen some great movies over the years. This year every film in the Best Foreign Film and Best Documentary category were amazing. Documentary short is the same. This is one of my favorite categories every year. I always feel like I have learned something I would never have known after I finish the films in this category. The show is a lot of fluff and caters to the big stars, but the films in some of the categories are outstanding.

FalloutShelter

(12,544 posts)
7. " ... and yet, almost nobody went to see them
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:39 AM
Mar 2022

in the theaters.”

Um… COVID?

Decline of product reduced to assembly line spin off features and being trained by the pandemic to seek out streaming options have killed the bunkers at the edge of town that offered the only big screen experience in town. Let’s face it the multiplex system killed the cinematic experience. Dirty theaters with filthy restrooms and theater goers that don’t understand the concept of manners, all built to this moment.

Cheep big screen tv’s, ‘Netflix and chill, and popping your own popcorn that does not cost 5cents per kernel. That’s the new ticket.

bucolic_frolic

(46,152 posts)
10. Any subjects left untouched? Any acting going on, or just computer graphics?
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:44 AM
Mar 2022

I'm highbrow for sure, but to me 90% of films are garbage. There are garbage genres, actors phoning it in. Films are sold on hype. With 60 years of releases, will the public pay $20 a head to see new films? We have DVDs, Netflix, streaming. And home theaters.

msfiddlestix

(7,657 posts)
87. exactly the way it is for me.
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 10:05 AM
Mar 2022

redundant play on excruciatingly evil/dark themes, "comedy" that isn't funny, "action packed" with explosions and endless chase scenes consuming about 75 to 80 percent of the footage.

I like how you framed it, "actors phoning it in"

the rare good film has to compete with a bunch of crap. I just don;t understand why.


JI7

(90,180 posts)
12. I agree with Seth Rogen
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:50 AM
Mar 2022

He added: “To me, maybe people just don’t care. I don’t care who wins the automobile awards. No other industry expects everyone to care about what awards they shower upon themselves.

“Maybe people just don’t care. Maybe they did for a while and they stopped caring. And why should they?”

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/oscars-2022-seth-rogen-ratings-b2012801.html

Tree Lady

(12,027 posts)
52. I agree there are so many more things to care about
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 03:06 PM
Mar 2022

Movies which aren't as good as they used to be are not one of them.

The only movie I saw this past year was Belfast before any mention of awards and I liked it. A friend told me to see it. So that one gets my vote but I haven't seen any others because of being careful and nothing much worth the money.

We still enjoy going when covid isn't a problem, it's a treat for us, our local theater has a good senior price during the day, they redid all chairs to leather lounges that recline, they have beer and wine we like.



WarGamer

(14,581 posts)
73. Which leads to...
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 06:30 PM
Mar 2022

WHO is awarding the movie an award? Movie industry people.

The people who PAY MONEY give that award to different movies.

Example Star Wars 1, The Phantom Menace broke box office records, didn't win ANYTHING at the 2000 Oscars.



Instead we see them give awards to horrible movies. Like that one a while back about the poor Korean family in the rich people house ???

F-

uponit7771

(91,258 posts)
88. People stopped caring when the Oscars stopped being objective in awards and PoC were left out
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 10:06 AM
Mar 2022

... of the mix of winners.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,539 posts)
14. There are plenty of movies being made...post Covid (whatever that means)
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:52 AM
Mar 2022

And there will continue to be plenty being made. The ONLY problem I have with current movie choices are the lengths. Almost every new movie I have come across is 2+ hours long. I remember when the ONLY movies over 2 hrs were called epics.

onenote

(44,053 posts)
36. Pretty sure there were plenty of 2+ hour movies no one thought were "epics"
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 01:58 PM
Mar 2022

Epics generally were movies that were at, near or over 3 hours, like "The Alamo" (193 minutes), Dr. Zhivago (193 minutes), Patton (172 minutes).


I don't think anyone ever described the Color Purple (153 minutes) or Terms of Endearment (132 minus) as "epics."

It is true that several of the box office leaders in the past few years have been longer than 2.5 hours, particularly the Marvel Universe Movies (such as Infinity Wars: Endgame, which was 181 minutes). But many of the recent (pre-pandemic) box office leaders still are similar in length to movies of the past. For example, Captain Marvel is 124 minutes-- the same length as Ordinary People, Elephant Man, and Coal Miner's Daughter, Chariots of Fire (all Best picture nominees in 1975). Even Spiderman:Far From Home is only five minutes longer, at 129 minutes and Joker is two minutes shorter, at 122 minutes.

Same for the Oscar nominated films. Some years there are more movies over 2 hours than other years, but most of the nominated movies in most years are under 2.5 hours. This year four of the ten nominated films are between 150 and 179 minutes long (none longer) and only two are less than 120 minutes (the average is around 135 minutes). In 2020, there were no nominated films longer than 131 minutes and the average was 117 minutes.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,539 posts)
47. Must just be my perception
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:21 PM
Mar 2022

but I could swear I read something recently that movies were becoming much longer. Oh well. I will watch what interests me and skip what doesn't. That has not changed.

onenote

(44,053 posts)
48. I think the perception of movies being longer is largely a factor of shortened attention spans
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:26 PM
Mar 2022

which I think we all -- me included -- suffer from, largely due to the nature of how we ingest information and communicate electronically these days.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,539 posts)
50. Most likely, you are correct.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 03:02 PM
Mar 2022

It seems more difficult to sit down and watch a 2+ hour movie now than it did years ago.
I had NO problem watching Fury Road though. Dayum, that was pure adrenaline from start to finish.

obamanut2012

(27,520 posts)
82. Studios want movies to be about 90 minutes
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 05:42 AM
Mar 2022

Movies are shorter than they used to be. Marvel, Star Wars, similar tend to be 2÷, but most are shorter..

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
15. I'm trying to watch what i missed out on for the Oscars, but I am not very thrilled w this
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:55 AM
Mar 2022

years lineup at all. It's going to be a slog.

FakeNoose

(35,076 posts)
16. The Academy Awards used to be something special
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 09:59 AM
Mar 2022

... but now it's the last in line of about 4 or 5 awards shows. By now everyone is like, "Who cares?"

The show itself is boring, the winners were mostly predicted months ago. By now it's not even news that they've won. I'll admit that I'm usually interested when the list of nominations comes out because it helps me decide which movies are actually worth seeing. As for which movies are deserving of an award, well I don't really care. Does anyone?

The long, boring acceptance speeches (from past years) are what turned viewers off, I think.

Kaleva

(37,770 posts)
17. Streaming services and cable may have done in the Oscars.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 10:00 AM
Mar 2022

It wasn't that long ago when the Oscars would have been the biggest thing to watch at that particular date.

When one was limited to 3 networks, 4 if one counts PBS, there wasn't much else to watch.

I haven't watched the Oscars or any other award show in years nor have I watched the Super Bowl or Olympics in years either.

Kaleva

(37,770 posts)
23. I'm also interested in who wins and like you, am not interested in actually watching the show.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 11:04 AM
Mar 2022

My wife's and I evening ritual is to binge watch a series. One, maybe two, episodes a night. We just finished watching all 4 seasons of Yellowstone.

uponit7771

(91,258 posts)
89. +1, theatres now are for GREAT epic films and popcorn fun not the C level movies pushed onto the
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 10:09 AM
Mar 2022

... public pre 2020.

The streaming movies kick ass now and the cost is a fraction of going to the movies to see them.

Theatre movies have to pick their game up

2naSalit

(91,264 posts)
19. Do a couple years of a pandemic have anything to do with that?
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 10:28 AM
Mar 2022

Maybe?

Aside from its diminishing import given world conditions, it's probably for the best. America's demand for entertainment at all costs has outlived its worth. A lot of ecological harm is done with the production of movies, Hollywood productions are notorious for it, and then they scream about it if you make then clean up their messes. That part of the business is getting old.

And the productions have also fallen into the Disney trap where there is a format for story content stream and a finite set of themes and outcomes. Indies are doing so much more with so much less and are far more open to subject/theme variances and outcomes.

What I object to is the constant of violence in nearly every film. I have a lot of observations about that but it's a conversation for another day. I just don't see any entertainment value in violent acts.

If Hollywood and its movies and awards go away, it wouldn't bother me a bit.




 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
24. It doesn't work when it is forced.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 11:11 AM
Mar 2022

Example: Making a Terminator film (Dark Fate) for the solo purpose of telling anyone that likes the originals to go fuck themselves by killing off John Connor in the first minute and replacing him with someone doing all the same stuff. The movie is a big troll movie and that is the only reason it exists. A few other remakes fall into this trolling category of “shame on you if you liked the originals”.

Disney Star Wars are simply on another level in this regard. Han Solo can’t even be allowed to the best at flying a ship he has flown for decades.

I watch mostly older good stuff with occasionally finding something new I really like. Wrath of Man was so good, I’ve seen it five times now. And you can never go wrong with a watching of Predator (the original).

fishwax

(29,295 posts)
25. it's not the movies -- it's just that awards shows can't compete in this media environment
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 11:18 AM
Mar 2022

There used to be plenty of reasons to watch the Oscars:

There wasn't that much else to watch, for one thing. There were two or three other networks, or cable channels that were running the same cycle of shows that you'd either already seen or that would be repeating periodically for months to come. Now there is original programming everywhere--not just on cable but on streaming services galore.

For another, you weren't as often able to see stars outside the movies back then. There was something interesting about seeing celebrities gather--not just the glitz and glamour of the ceremony (though that was part of the appeal too, I'm sure) but also seeing stars let their guard down in a particular way or react naturally to something like the surprise of winning or the disappointment of losing or being the target of a particularly well-timed joke by the host or whatever. But with social media, with a much vaster array of traditional and new media content about celebrities, with things like cameo, and so on, those experiences aren't as unique to the awards shows as they once were.

It was also an opportunity to learn about films that you might want to see but (unless you lived in NYC or LA) might only have a very limited opportunity to. There are infinitely more accessible and effective ways to learn about movies nowadays.

And what specific content and experiences the Oscars used to offer used to be difficult--or at least take some effort--to get elsewhere. But it's all available in easier forms now. I mean, if you were interested in the winning picture for Best Picture, literally the easiest thing to do twenty-five years ago was have the ceremony on, at least in the background. Otherwise you'd have to make the effort of getting a newspaper the next day or asking someone at work. (Most people couldn't even look it up on the internet back then.) But now you can get a notification on your phone at basically the same moment you'd see it on TV.

And speeches? There will still be memorable speeches and jokes and moments, but you can catch those on twitter and youtube. Before you might see a glimpse or two on the evening news or Entertainment Tonight if you timed things right. But now it's easy to get the highlights on your own time without focusing in on them.

I have some good memories of the Oscars, and of talking about them with my family over the years. I remember how moved my grandma, then in her 80s and having just lost her husband, my grandfather, whom she had married during WWII, just a few months before he shipped off to the war in Europe, was by the victory speech of Adrien Brody when he won for the pianist. We didn't watch the ceremony together, but we talked about it during our next phone conversation. If I hadn't watched the awards ceremony that year, I wouldn't have been able to share that experience with her. But nowadays it's just not necessary. I can see those speeches just as easily without tuning in.

I'm interested in who wins, because (among other reasons) I just enjoy the movies and I'm interested (personally and professionally) in Hollywood history, etc. But the ceremony itself doesn't offer me anything I'm particularly interested in that I can't get elsewhere.

The one exception is the in memoriam sequence. I might have the ceremony on in the background (maybe streaming on a small TV I have for sporting events while watching something else on my main TV) so that I can tune in and focus during that segment. Something about that feels different experiencing live, but that's just me.

moonscape

(5,221 posts)
26. Excellent post, and totally agree about
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 11:33 AM
Mar 2022

the memoriam. I am always sure not to miss CBS’s end-of-year Sunday Morning for the memoriam segment they do as well.

Tree-Hugger

(3,378 posts)
28. I'll be watching!
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 01:12 PM
Mar 2022

I love the Oscars. I barely knows anyone in my age group who pays it any mind. I'm 43. I have zero clue about them movies that are nominated and don't know half the actors. I watch for one primary reason - fashion. I absolutely adore the red carpet fashion. I typically watch the red carpet shows that precede the big show itself, but those have gotten so bloated with commentary and gags that the focus on fashion has been minimized....so I still stick with the whole award show to get extra glimpses of gowns and a smattering of handsome fellas.

Years ago, the Academy did away with big dance performances. In recent years, they have brought those back as dance has had a huge resurgence in popularity thanks, in part, to shows lie "Dancing With the Stars" and "So You Think You Can Dance" as well as heavy access to the dance world/classes/performances on social media. I will watch almost anything with a dance performance.

My mom and I would always watch the Golden Globes, Oscars, and other award shows together. She loved movies and she loved the fashion as much as me. She passed 2 years ago and I miss sharing commentary with her.

littlemissmartypants

(24,205 posts)
80. Me, too. After I see the wardrobes, I'm done.
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 05:26 AM
Mar 2022


It's nice that for you it's also a way to honor your mom's memory. I wish I had that. ❤

maxsolomon

(34,700 posts)
31. We've already lived through the disintegration of the Music industry.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 01:18 PM
Mar 2022

Where popular music has split into a 1000 subgenres of derivative mediocrity, and physical media was murdered dead. The Grammys have been a massive joke for decades.

There are more movies than ever, but there is little innovation or freshness. No one can keep up, and no one really cares about any individual film any longer.

Or maybe it's just me.

Phentex

(16,442 posts)
32. I've seen more commercials for it this year...
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 01:24 PM
Mar 2022

at least more than I remember in the past. It's not something I watch on a regular basis though.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,860 posts)
35. This article largely ignores that we just came out of a multi-year pandemic
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 01:41 PM
Mar 2022

Also - the Oscars are an industry award show. It's not the entertainment industry. It has always over-rewarded so-called prestige films and then gets roasted when it rewards a popular pick.

The Oscars and the Globes should move off-network to Amazon, TCM, or (my pick) E! They should televise the technical awards on one day, and the acting/writing/directing/music on another, and bring back the lifetime achievement and the occasional awards (the Hersholt, the Thalberg) to that night.

ZonkerHarris

(25,092 posts)
37. Rooting for CODA. It reminds me of great movies like Terms of Endearment and Steel Magnolias
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:01 PM
Mar 2022

stories about families in crisis at a turning point.

Demsrule86

(70,707 posts)
40. I really liked Steal Magnolias, but did not like really like Terms of Endearment too sad.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:09 PM
Mar 2022

But consider that both those movies were big hits as was Titanic which I really liked..now they pick obscure movies. I actually have no interest in CODA. I had to look it up to see what it was about. The year that I realized the Oscars were done was the year Crash won big picture and Cinderella Man was completely ignored. It used to be big box office hit movies were up for Oscars and many people had seen those movies and had an interest and an opinion of what movie might win or should win...now the obscure stuff they nominate is mostly not seen by that many people and few care.

Demsrule86

(70,707 posts)
38. And that is why the Oscars are declining...they mostly pick movies that no one cares about...
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:03 PM
Mar 2022

Most of the time I have not even seen those movies nominated. I did see No Way Home and loved it. I also really liked Scream and Free Guy and the latest conjuring movie. I watch movies to be entertained.

onenote

(44,053 posts)
49. The numbers don't support your theory
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:57 PM
Mar 2022

The peak audience for the Oscars in recent years was for the 2014 movie year, when over 43 million viewers tuned in. Only one of the best movie nominees was a box office smash -- American Sniper -- and it earned more after the Oscars than before.

Compare that to 2018, when the audience dropped to 26.5 million, even though the nominated best picture films include three of the top 20 movies for the year (including the number one box office movie, Black Panther).

Demsrule86

(70,707 posts)
55. I just don't see it...American Sniper was a rightwing kind of movie and Clint Eastwood totally made
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 03:53 PM
Mar 2022

most of it up. That being said, it was a box office hit...but did not win the best picture. No, the shape of water did. I read the book by the way. The guy was a psychopath IMHO. And Black Panther didn't win in 2018...12 Years a Slave did. I never watch the Oscars because I don't care what they think. And I also don't think the movies that should win do win most years.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
57. There hasn't a been a Best Picture winner among the top 10 box office films of each year since 2003.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:15 PM
Mar 2022

The Return of the King.

Tink41

(537 posts)
39. Not being snarky here
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:05 PM
Mar 2022

But who has gone to the movies the last 2 yrs? Are you kidding me??? I've done 2 normal activities in 2 yrs. Groceries and went to eat a handful of times, outdoors only. No way will I be in a confined space for 2 hrs with dozens of people. I was a regular movie goer, matinees, late night, drive-in. And the ever popular 2nd run shows.

Tink41

(537 posts)
42. Just adding another viewpoint
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:12 PM
Mar 2022

This isn't over by any means. Triple Vaxxed, I caught it at work amongst idiots who didn't take any of this seriously. So no thanks.
Could be regular moviegoers aren't putting themselves at risk.

 

Sur Zobra

(3,428 posts)
45. Maybe regular people got sick of seeing
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 02:18 PM
Mar 2022

actresses in $5,000 gowns that plunge to their pubic bone, and men in $1,000 tuxedos, all of whom who fawn all over another for being so wonderful. La di da...🤢

 

Sur Zobra

(3,428 posts)
54. I love women, but there is a place for
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 03:20 PM
Mar 2022

nakedness and it is not in public. I may sound like a prude, but displaying ones’s boobs in public for the benefit of men’s lust degrades women. Yes, women choose to do it, but is it really their choice to do so, or is it male society’s sexual oppressiveness responsible for such behavior?

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
56. Well, they're not naked per se, just wearing titillating (sorry) clothing.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:13 PM
Mar 2022

As for choice, it's certainly theirs to make, and a wholly rational one. If wearing sexy clothes at a gala such as this results in a boost to their careers, who are we to say the shouldn't?

onenote

(44,053 posts)
51. Define "regular people"
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 03:05 PM
Mar 2022

Are they the same people who spend millions consuming gossip information about those same actors and actresses or the "elites" the ones keeping those magazines, tv shows, websites, etc in business?

 

Sur Zobra

(3,428 posts)
53. Regular people are ones who do not worship celebrties
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 03:09 PM
Mar 2022

Celebrity has become a religion for some people, but regular folks don’t engage in the cult of celebrity.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
58. Wow, that headline is some serious Chicken Little shit. "The sky is falling!"
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 04:32 PM
Mar 2022

I follow the Oscars - it's like a sports event for nerds.

There's nothing in the Best Picture lineup this year that seems to me in any way NOT typical Oscar fare. You've got a gritty Western family/crime drama, a heartwarming movie about a family with disabilities, a social-satire dark comedy loaded with huge stars, a biography about a sports dad whose daughters became champions, a period piece coming-of-age story, another period piece coming-of-age story set in a different time and place, a science-fiction epic based on a genre classic, a slow-deep foreign-language film about grief, a remake of a beloved musical (also a Shakespeare adaptation), visually stunning remake of a noir cult classic....

There's nothing out-there about any of this really. This is pretty standard Oscar bait across the board (maybe not the SF epic so much, the Academy really does have an unjust bias against that. LOTR and Shape of Water cracked that on the fantasy side but it's still an uphill battle).

People don't go out to the movies as much because it's a goddamn pandemic. And also the movies that tend to make the Oscars tend to appeal to an older liberal crowd, the very people who are least likely to go out for what they perceive to be unnecessary.

What is interesting is that the two movies that appear to be the front-runners - The Power of the Dog and CODA - are both *produced* by streaming services, Netflix and Apple respectively. That may indeed put a little fear and future shock into the hearts of traditional Hollywood studios.

And like other people have said above, younger generations just don't tend to watch long awards shows anymore, not when they can get the highlights from other places. There's a lot more competition for attention than there used to be. The Oscars really need to focus on putting on a good show that can be enjoyed even if you haven't seen all the movies. Get some big music stars in there: Billie Eilish and Beyoncé are both nominees this year! Get hosts who have some real charisma and also knows when to get out of the way.

It won't go back to the glory days, but I don't think which movies are nominated is even that big a factor. A Titanic or a Return of the King doesn't come around very often. All the Actor and Actress nominees have dedicated fans who will root for them no matter what they're in - but people know now they don't have to watch the whole show to see the parts they care about. And they won't unless you give them a reason to.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
59. I recently read someone speculating that within a generation or two going out to see a film that
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 05:25 PM
Mar 2022

wasn't a "popcorn movie" would be a niche part of the arts comparable to attending ballet or musical theater, something only a very small fraction of the populace at large would do.

Sympthsical

(9,918 posts)
64. It's also just more convenient.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 06:01 PM
Mar 2022

In the past, if I wanted to watch an "artistic" movie, I'd just rent it on DVD whenever it was available. However, sometimes there was a movie that people urged me to see in theaters. Things like Call Me By Your Name or the Imitation Game. The problem was, you'd have to travel either into the city or off in the boonies to find an "artistic" theater that was actually playing the film. It wouldn't be at your local AMC. So DVDs were by and large easier than dealing with that whole thing.

Nowadays, there's streaming. I've wanted to see Drive My Car since December, but it only came onto HBO Max recently. I have it queued up for a lazy Sunday afternoon. Every niche film I've wanted to see in the past year has appeared on streaming. I have a decent home theater with surround sound, so boom. All good.

The only two movies I saw in theaters last year were Spider-man and the Matrix sequel. Because they're big budget, special effects laden spectacles. I see the Marvel movies in theaters because they are spectacle. I want that big screen, big sound experience with them.

If I want to watch three hours about two out of work yak milkers with a dream to open an art gallery in Vienna, I will do that on my couch with ice cream and my phone in case things become unbearably dreary (I dunno, Apa made eyes at a girl from the wrong family, when he knows he's supposed to marry the daughter of the owner of the bigger yak pasture).

I have no idea what goes on in Tibet. Protesting, if Hollywood has taught me anything.

Sympthsical

(9,918 posts)
60. YouTube will let me know if anything interesting happens
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 05:27 PM
Mar 2022

I'm not sure why I'd want to watch rich and famous people congratulate one another on all the "important work" they're doing by "raising awareness" of various things. Weird how easy it is to "raise awareness" when you're being paid millions of dollars to do so.

It's a hard pass.

It's like a three hour long spectacle of out of touch, coddled, isolated rich people singing Imagine. Shudder.

Retrograde

(10,532 posts)
61. Somehow, I just can't get excited
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 05:33 PM
Mar 2022

about watching people I don't know pat themselves on the back over films I haven't seen. The last time I watched them was when a relative was visiting, and she had some bets on who was going to win what.

mnhtnbb

(31,795 posts)
62. I just tried to watch Dune on HBO Max
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 05:59 PM
Mar 2022

Gave up after about 20 minutes.

For cryin' out loud. The year is 10000+ and the story is still patriarchal conflict over resources?

Enough already.

BannonsLiver

(17,565 posts)
63. Awards shows across the board have seen declines in ratings
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 06:01 PM
Mar 2022

Not just the Oscars. Oh, and fuck the NYT sideways. I’d encourage anyone on Twitter to follow NY Times Pitchbot. Absolutely hilarious and brutally cutting parody of that horrible, obtuse “both sides” led us to war in Iraq, publication.

WarGamer

(14,581 posts)
70. The movies are garbage.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 06:19 PM
Mar 2022

Like them or not...

the 90's brought us:


Titanic
Star Wars I
Independence Day
Forrest Gump
Sixth Sense
Men in Black
Terminator 2
Saving Private Ryan
Mission Impossible
Gladiator (May 2000)



Nowadays?

Overdone superhero movies and horror movies. Garbage.

keep_left

(2,234 posts)
75. As for the Marvel/superhero movies, the kids call them "capeshit"...
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 06:36 PM
Mar 2022

...I guess because of all the capes.

You know you've made too many comic-book movies when even your target audience has a deprecating name for them.

WarGamer

(14,581 posts)
77. I saw the original Ironman and thought it was good...
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 07:27 PM
Mar 2022

Saw a few more here and there and they're terrible.

Avengers Endgame and the latest Batman movie are two of the worst.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
71. My vote is for "Power of the Dog"
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 06:20 PM
Mar 2022

It has been awhile since I have witnessed such a polarizing movie.

People either "get it" or they don't.

I told someone that the dialogue really has nothing to do with what is happening most of the time.

And they were more perplexed. "Then how can you know what's happening?"

Again...A love or hate.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
78. That would be my pick too, of the ones I've seen
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 08:28 PM
Mar 2022

It's got multiple layers to it. You have to pay close attention, and it's well worth it. Got me to read the book too and I've been meaning to check out some of Thomas Savage's other works.

msfiddlestix

(7,657 posts)
86. That film was amazing, imo. brilliant acting, directing, screenwriting etc etc
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 09:49 AM
Mar 2022

I also liked Pig a lot, but I hadn't noticed if it received any attention.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
76. Nah.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 07:00 PM
Mar 2022

The end of “movies?” Yeah, no, that’s ridiculous. Theaters as a mode for exhibiting small and mid-tier features might be on the ropes, but your big cultural tent-pole movies are going to keep the industry buoyed for a minute yet—your Marvel flicks, your Fast movies, your Star Wars’s, your Chris Nolan pictures, etc… these are water-cooler movies, prospective cultural-phenoms, and the window of exclusivity given to theaters coupled with the instant spoilers that pop up on social media all but guarantee decent to great opening weekends for these sorts of films.

The thing with a couple of these Oscar movies is that because of the Pandemic, they had day-and-date streaming releases: Dune on HBO Max, Power of Dog and Don’t Look Up on Netflix, CODA on Apple+. Others had abbreviated exclusivity windows—Nightmare Alley appeared on HBOMax 45 days after premiering on screens at the end of December, and King Richard, I believe, also had short window of theatrical exclusivity before appearing VOD. I did look around a while back to see how many of the Best Picture noms I could watch from the comfort (and safety) of my own home and the only Best Picture nom that I couldn’t find available for viewing any time before the Oscars, either for free with subscription, or for purchase through VOD, was the Japanese entry, Drive My Car. And as foreign movies don’t tend to get super wide releases or do that well at the box office, my response to these best picture nominees not doing well at the box office is a resounding: “Yeah, no shit.”

My personal theory for why the Oscars aren’t doing so hot is cultural. Looking back at the Golden Age of Hollywood, the Industry set itself up as this aspirational thing—“The Dream Factory.” For its actors, it cultivated the idea that they were nobodies from nowhere, “discovered” by Hollywood and now, here they are—on the red carpet in beautiful gowns going to lavish parties, hobnobbing with beautiful people in beautiful places. Hollywood epitomized this concept of the American dream in a very in-your-face way, and it was built on this idea that you—yes, YOU—could become virtual royalty just by being in the right place at the right time.

I think the sheen has worn off of this version of the American dream, and I think confidence in the American dream directly correlates to the success of something like the Oscars, with its glitz and glamor. If you believe—“That could be me one day,” you’re more likely to pay attention, are you not? Whereas if you think that’s beyond your reach, maybe you don’t want to pay attention to it, maybe it even embitters you—“Look at these Hollywood elites spouting off about politics! They don’t know anything about what it’s really like for people!”

Wish I had the data to back this up, but it’s really just based on observations I’ve made in my lifetime, and with my mom’s memories of Oscar ceremonies from back in the day. But I think this theory, as anecdotal as it is, is at least as legitimate as dude’s opinion here that the problem is Hollywood isn’t making “high-middlebrow” movies (while also admitting that this year’s Best Picture noms are littered with just this type of movie).

And BY THE WAY—anyone saying, “movies just aren’t good anymore,” I say nay. This is a great time to be a movie fan; it’s easier than ever not just to make movies, but to find movies. Films that you would have seen in the past only if you were in a big city, going to a hole-in-the-wall art-house—they’re streaming. They might not be the movies that get the advertising budget, but they’re there, you just have to dig a little; maybe do a quick Google search. If you find a director you like, likely they’ve got a catalogue of earlier films for you to indulge in; there are a few actors who are really great at picking projects, as well, and movies they’re in are almost always a safe bet (Allison Brie and Aubrey Plaza spring to mind). I’ve spent the last couple of years working my way through the AFI hundred best list, while also watching, just, random recent indie movies that pique my interest—there are plenty of movies that have been made in just the last few years that can go toe-to-toe with some of the best. Again, you just gotta look for it.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
79. Nobody cares about awards shows
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 08:32 PM
Mar 2022

It's just somebody's opinion and they don't tend to award movies I watch.

Captain Stern

(2,211 posts)
84. I think that's pretty much it, there.
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 06:15 AM
Mar 2022

It would be kind of like if we decided to have the DU Awards Show, and then were surprised when folks that don't read DU didn't watch our awards show.

nolabear

(42,803 posts)
90. I love movie craft and the awards show honor that. It's not popularity.
Sun Mar 27, 2022, 10:12 AM
Mar 2022

It’s artists honoring artists. I love it. I love fun, popular movies too, but getting under that and really appreciating how they create the elements that take you into another reality is fascinating.

I’ve seen many of this year’s contenders and they deserve the nominations.

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