Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:39 AM

When will Justice Roberts be taken to task on his court containing

A Justice who's wife was part of a Seditious Conspiracy to overthrow the Presidential election of the United States?

Thomas should HAVE TO RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

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When will Justice Roberts be taken to task on his court containing (Original post)	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	OP
Sure we know that. Who is going to make him? There is no one above a SS justice.	Srkdqltr	Mar 2022	#1
We start making this Robert's problem...	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#9
once again. there is no 'allow' involved in this situation	stopdiggin	Mar 2022	#62
I know right...Roberts can 'hire or fire' other justices.	Demsrule86	Mar 2022	#119
The biggest 'power' Roberts has is to decide who will write the majority opinion, that is as long as	Tadpole Raisin	Mar 2022	#82
Congress has no power to regulate the SC except to decide what type of cases they can rule on.	former9thward	Mar 2022	#110
He doesn't have any real power over any justices you know. The only way is impeachment and	Demsrule86	Mar 2022	#118
Public pressure, Political pressure.	fightforfreedom	Mar 2022	#30
The Constitution is designed to avoid precisely this	Effete Snob	Mar 2022	#75
In theory you are correct. In practice it's an entirely different thing.	bluesbassman	Mar 2022	#81
Name the last justice who resigned out of public pressure	Effete Snob	Mar 2022	#85
He will never resign...there is no pressure that would cause this to happen when he will be	Demsrule86	Mar 2022	#120
SCOTUS doesn't even have a Code of Conduct unlike other court's justices.	OMGWTF	Mar 2022	#64
Roberts can't do anything about it.	drray23	Mar 2022	#2
We should pressure him to acknowledge Thomas should resign	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#12
We should pressure all of the justices to do what we want	Effete Snob	Mar 2022	#71
Who will do that?	snowybirdie	Mar 2022	#3
does not work that way whatsoever.nt.	drray23	Mar 2022	#4
I know Congress could impeach	snowybirdie	Mar 2022	#10
impeach Thomas	Jerry2144	Mar 2022	#14
We couldn't get the GOP TO vote for Impeaching a wanna be dictator.	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#26
This could all be solved by extending the number of justices	Bev54	Mar 2022	#66
That might be easier	Jerry2144	Mar 2022	#72
This message was self-deleted by its author	snowybirdie	Mar 2022	#5
Can't he be impeached?	multigraincracker	Mar 2022	#6
What would he would be impeached for?	Kaleva	Mar 2022	#13
I can think of a few things.	multigraincracker	Mar 2022	#24
Call Speaker Pelosi and get the ball rolling	Kaleva	Mar 2022	#50
Hear an echo of impeachment is off the table.	PufPuf23	Mar 2022	#60
Health reasons?	Polybius	Mar 2022	#97
Mental illness	multigraincracker	Mar 2022	#105
Trump should have been impeached for that then	Polybius	Mar 2022	#107
Associate Justice Samuel Chase in 1805 was impeached	Emile	Mar 2022	#16
And acquitted by the Senate.	Ocelot II	Mar 2022	#22
Yes, but he was impeached.	Emile	Mar 2022	#25
So Was TFG. Twice!	SoCalDavidS	Mar 2022	#34
having no practical effect whatsoever	stopdiggin	Mar 2022	#63
Same as the President	DetroitLegalBeagle	Mar 2022	#53
Yes, can be impeached. Unfortunately, difficult to remove E.g. 1804, Samuel Chase, SCOTUS	RestoreAmerica2020	Mar 2022	#87
The impeachment, by the House, is in effect, the indictment.	rsdsharp	Mar 2022	#95
Um... so we are on the train about blaming one for what their spouse did?	Claustrum	Mar 2022	#7
+1	Kaleva	Mar 2022	#15
You hadn't watched the Woodward/Accosta interview yet?	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#17
Yep	Effete Snob	Mar 2022	#32
Why? Was he or she in attendance of 1/6?	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#43
No, but we don't know what else he may be involved in	Effete Snob	Mar 2022	#46
Political activities are not what we are talking about...	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#55
which were NOT carried out (so far as we know)	stopdiggin	Mar 2022	#65
Is that what she's been charged with?	Effete Snob	Mar 2022	#69
This message was self-deleted by its author	onenote	Mar 2022	#98
With all due respect	genxlib	Mar 2022	#36
I clearly said it would be fine if you think he should resign or be impeached for his	Claustrum	Mar 2022	#40
You are mistaken in thinking that the SCOTUS ruling impacted the Thomas-Meadows emails.	onenote	Mar 2022	#103
I realize that but perhaps I wasn't clear	genxlib	Mar 2022	#106
+1	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#116
The OP presumption is there's NO DAMN WAY Thomas didn't know about his wifes actions. That's hard	uponit7771	Mar 2022	#67
or that he veto power over his spouses actions?	stopdiggin	Mar 2022	#80
How do you prove something like that?	Demsrule86	Mar 2022	#122
"Appearance of impropriety"	Orrex	Mar 2022	#91
No, but his vote to keep the Presidential Records private	MissMillie	Mar 2022	#112
That's what I'm talking about. Justice Robert's legacy is trashed.	Baitball Blogger	Mar 2022	#8
100%, but why doesn't he care?	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#19
+1, there's NO DAMN WAY Roberts didn't know about the conflict of interest here.	uponit7771	Mar 2022	#68
+1	Baitball Blogger	Mar 2022	#74
You don't know that. And I think you've acknowledged it	onenote	Mar 2022	#104
He knows now and my assessment that there should be some communication about the institution	uponit7771	Mar 2022	#108
Not for precedent that one is repsonsible for their spouse's action. Would love for Thomas to resign	Hoyt	Mar 2022	#11
See Post #7 above	genxlib	Mar 2022	#38
That is up to Congress, not Robert's. At a minimum, he needs to recuse himself from anything	JohnSJ	Mar 2022	#18
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Mar 2022	#37
I know, but my main point is that this isn't up to Roberts.	JohnSJ	Mar 2022	#44
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Mar 2022	#48
+1	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#86
Thomas should resign, or at least recuse himself from..	TreasonousBastard	Mar 2022	#20
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Mar 2022	#51
By who?	doc03	Mar 2022	#21
J6 committee will subpoena her texts and emails. She's neck deep.	Beakybird	Mar 2022	#23
I hope so.	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#31
Be prepared for the next argument by the right.	redstatebluegirl	Mar 2022	#27
Oh I'm sure they will.	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#33
When will these posts stop?	we can do it	Mar 2022	#28
When I'm to tired to fight...	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#39
Fighting is one thing, nonsense another.	we can do it	Mar 2022	#42
Boldy speak gibberish to power!	Effete Snob	Mar 2022	#49
Ha!😻	we can do it	Mar 2022	#56
Public pressure on a Supreme Court Justice to uphold the intgrity	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#54
Wasting time and energy when there is work to do is nonsense.	we can do it	Mar 2022	#57
Because	inthewind21	Mar 2022	#61
Yes, it is nonsense	Effete Snob	Mar 2022	#76
Fight how? There is no winning here....Roberts can't make Thomas do anything. We don't	Demsrule86	Mar 2022	#121
Fighting means, Talking about it incessantly, like	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#123
I think there are more important issues we can deal with...something we can actually do something	Demsrule86	Mar 2022	#124
I am always talking about those other issues with people also.	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#125
Possibly when Roberts comes out telling us why he didn't expose this conflict of interest relating	uponit7771	Mar 2022	#70
Roberts had no reason to know of Thomas's emails	onenote	Mar 2022	#100
when something is done about Clarence Fucking Thomas	Skittles	Mar 2022	#111
Good luck with that.	we can do it	Mar 2022	#113
yes I understand repukes aren't usually held accoutable	Skittles	Mar 2022	#115
There is no mechanism for doing as the OP demands	bucolic_frolic	Mar 2022	#29
I'm talking about public pressure, or addressing the intregity	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#35
Mechanism. In the Constitution. And Roberts didn't put him there. /nt	bucolic_frolic	Mar 2022	#45
Not enough interest to generate the amount of public pressure needed.	Kaleva	Mar 2022	#52
Public pressure, political pressure, Thomas must resign.	fightforfreedom	Mar 2022	#41
Sounds good to me.	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#47
Sure you guys lead the way. Talk is cheap.	Srkdqltr	Mar 2022	#58
Why would he care about public or political pressure?	marie999	Mar 2022	#101
You all can say all this until you turn purple, but unless there is a mechanism	Srkdqltr	Mar 2022	#59
Actually, Roberts does not have the power to make anyone resign.	ashredux	Mar 2022	#73
Reminded of Roger Taney....	paleotn	Mar 2022	#77
I love that.	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#88
There is nothing for Justice Roberts to be 'taken to task' for	stopdiggin	Mar 2022	#78
The only way to make true change at the Supreme Court is to elect more Democrats.	Lonestarblue	Mar 2022	#79
Hate to say this BUT, I think only ONE possible thing to do	bluestarone	Mar 2022	#83
Sounds good to me.	Bluethroughu	Mar 2022	#89
There is no honor or character amongst conservatives. Otherwise, he's have resigned	ffr	Mar 2022	#84
This will all blow over soon.	Kablooie	Mar 2022	#90
Roberts had no power to make Thomas resign	wryter2000	Mar 2022	#92
But does he have the power to establish ethics rules?	question everything	Mar 2022	#93
I don't know whether Roberts can establish ethics rules.	wryter2000	Mar 2022	#127
Get him out now.	The Jungle 1	Mar 2022	#94
A Chief Justice doesn't have much more power than an Associate Justice	Polybius	Mar 2022	#96
This isn't going to be popular, but the case heard by Thomas didn't involve Ginni Thomas's emails.	onenote	Mar 2022	#99
This is no longer the Roberts court.	JustABozoOnThisBus	Mar 2022	#102
Never	Meowmee	Mar 2022	#109
K&R	Blue Owl	Mar 2022	#114
History will not be kind to Roberts and his kangaroo court.	BlueIdaho	Mar 2022	#117
Never.	niyad	Mar 2022	#126

Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:41 AM

Srkdqltr (5,276 posts)

1. Sure we know that. Who is going to make him? There is no one above a SS justice.

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Response to Srkdqltr (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:45 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

9. We start making this Robert's problem...

Is Robert's part of the Seditious Conspiracy?

I mean what kind of Chief Justice would allow another Supreme Court Justice sit on the bench while married to a person that orchestrated an attack on the United States.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:16 PM

stopdiggin (9,612 posts)

62. once again. there is no 'allow' involved in this situation

Are you under some misapprehension about the role of chief justice - or lifetime appointment?

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #62)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:00 PM

Demsrule86 (67,131 posts)

119. I know right...Roberts can 'hire or fire' other justices.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:55 PM

Tadpole Raisin (972 posts)

82. The biggest 'power' Roberts has is to decide who will write the majority opinion, that is as long as

he voted with the majority.

The only way to change things is to get Congress to change the laws and increase ethics requirements for all judges as well as require SC judges to follow those laws.

You’ll need 60 senators.

It would be nice if any Republican senators are indicted in this mess, they resign and then this legislation is passed. Of course that requires DOJ and all their counterparts to have a spine, and right soon.

Do you need 60 senators or just 60% of those present?

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Response to Tadpole Raisin (Reply #82)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 07:08 PM

former9thward (29,940 posts)

110. Congress has no power to regulate the SC except to decide what type of cases they can rule on.

They can regulate the judges on the lower federal courts,

https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-3/35-the-theory-of-plenary-congressional-control.html

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:59 PM

Demsrule86 (67,131 posts)

118. He doesn't have any real power over any justices you know. The only way is impeachment and

that won't work as we don't have the votes.

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Response to Srkdqltr (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:58 AM

fightforfreedom (4,913 posts)

30. Public pressure, Political pressure.

That's how you get him to resign.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:34 PM

Effete Snob (8,175 posts)

75. The Constitution is designed to avoid precisely this

The "political branches" of government - the legislative and executive - are designed to be instruments of public and political influence.

The judicial branch is designed specifically not to be responsive to "political pressure".

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #75)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:50 PM

bluesbassman (18,940 posts)

81. In theory you are correct. In practice it's an entirely different thing.

It is beyond question that the USSC has become responsive to “political pressure”. I would argue that it has become the defacto third legislative branch.

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Response to bluesbassman (Reply #81)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:00 PM

Effete Snob (8,175 posts)

85. Name the last justice who resigned out of public pressure

Remember the pressure on Ginsberg to resign when Obama was president?

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Response to fightforfreedom (Reply #30)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:01 PM

Demsrule86 (67,131 posts)

120. He will never resign...there is no pressure that would cause this to happen when he will be

replaced by a Democrat. And Republicans have no shame...you can't pressure them into doing the right thing...would that it was possible.

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Response to Srkdqltr (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:22 PM

OMGWTF (3,633 posts)

64. SCOTUS doesn't even have a Code of Conduct unlike other court's justices.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:41 AM

drray23 (7,368 posts)

2. Roberts can't do anything about it.

The chief Justice has no say who sits on the court. They all have lifetime appointments. Roberts can also not force any of them to recuse from a case, it's up to each individual to decide for themselves.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:47 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

12. We should pressure him to acknowledge Thomas should resign

For the integrity of the court.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:31 PM

Effete Snob (8,175 posts)

71. We should pressure all of the justices to do what we want

For the, uh, integrity of the court.

For Roberts to accede to "pressure" to do something, then he would be showing "integrity"?

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:42 AM

snowybirdie (4,843 posts)

3. Who will do that?

He's the boss of the Judicial Branch.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:43 AM

drray23 (7,368 posts)

4. does not work that way whatsoever.nt.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:45 AM

snowybirdie (4,843 posts)

10. I know Congress could impeach

But Roberts is only guilty of bad leadership. Don't think that's impeachable. Now Thomas is totally another matter. Bring that on!

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:48 AM

Jerry2144 (1,804 posts)

14. impeach Thomas

BUt getting 2/3 votes in the Senate to remove him from office? There aren't enough Democrats in the Senate to do that. And there might be only on Replbliklan Senator who would vote yes. Meanwhile the "liberal" media will be playing this like it's a democratic overreach to remove an unpopular judge

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Response to Jerry2144 (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:56 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

26. We couldn't get the GOP TO vote for Impeaching a wanna be dictator.

We need messaging wrapping this court, GOP TFG followers, and Jan 6 insurrection together because Ginnie is the link and they wear the failed coup attempt together.

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Response to Jerry2144 (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:26 PM

Bev54 (9,097 posts)

66. This could all be solved by extending the number of justices

on SC. If the dems can increase their number in the senate then they should go for it and that alone may inspire some of these RW judges to retire

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Response to Bev54 (Reply #66)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:32 PM

Jerry2144 (1,804 posts)

72. That might be easier

But it will still take much work. We would have to convince Manchin and Sinema to go along. Regardless, we need more playing for team D in the senate than the 50 we got. If we can pickup 6-8 more seats then we can afford to lose one or two on an issue.

None of us can lose sight of the need to get more and better Democratic office holders in every position from local school board and dog catcher to senate

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:44 AM

multigraincracker (31,155 posts)

6. Can't he be impeached?

How is that done for a judge?

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:47 AM

Kaleva (35,475 posts)

13. What would he would be impeached for?

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:55 AM

multigraincracker (31,155 posts)

24. I can think of a few things.

Incompetent and health reasons that impair his judgement, are just a few.

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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:10 AM

Kaleva (35,475 posts)

50. Call Speaker Pelosi and get the ball rolling

Let us know what her office tells you.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #50)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:57 AM

PufPuf23 (8,160 posts)

60. Hear an echo of impeachment is off the table.

ain't gonna happen.

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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:56 PM

Polybius (13,366 posts)

97. Health reasons?

Was RGB impeached?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #97)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:25 PM

multigraincracker (31,155 posts)

105. Mental illness

might work.

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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #105)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:04 PM

Polybius (13,366 posts)

107. Trump should have been impeached for that then

Haha.

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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:50 AM

Emile (16,437 posts)

16. Associate Justice Samuel Chase in 1805 was impeached

by the house.

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Response to Emile (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:53 AM

Ocelot II (111,585 posts)

22. And acquitted by the Senate.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:55 AM

Emile (16,437 posts)

25. Yes, but he was impeached.

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Response to Emile (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:00 AM

SoCalDavidS (9,998 posts)

34. So Was TFG. Twice!

A lot of good that did.

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Response to Emile (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:21 PM

stopdiggin (9,612 posts)

63. having no practical effect whatsoever

this isn't even effective politics!

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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:13 AM

DetroitLegalBeagle (1,739 posts)

53. Same as the President

House can vote to impeach, but we don't have the votes in the Senate.

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Response to multigraincracker (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:03 PM

RestoreAmerica2020 (3,392 posts)

87. Yes, can be impeached. Unfortunately, difficult to remove E.g. 1804, Samuel Chase, SCOTUS

Was impeached by House, acquitted by Senate. Yet, 2020 gave us the majority to impeach and indict, remove --so there's that, but will the 2 "Dems " [as referenced by Biden ] Manchin, Senema vote to indict and remove?

In 1804, the U.S. House of Representatives voted to impeach Associate Justice Samuel Chase. A signer of the Declaration of Independence, Chase was appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court by President George Washington in 1796. A Federalist, Chase irked Thomas Jefferson and his Republican allies in Congress, and was impeached on politically motivated charges of acting in a partisan manner during several trials. However, in 1805 Chase was acquitted by the Senate, a decision that helped safeguard the independence of the judiciary. He served on the court until his death in 1811.

[Note: sorry, dropped link on referenced article..will add on edit ]

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Response to RestoreAmerica2020 (Reply #87)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:50 PM

rsdsharp (8,113 posts)

95. The impeachment, by the House, is in effect, the indictment.

That requires only a majority vote, and the Senate has no role. The trial, and eventual conviction or acquittal, takes place in the Senate. Conviction requires a 2/3 majority, not a simple majority.

Even if it was a simple majority to convict, Democrats still don’t have the votes. There are 50 Democratic senators, and the Vice-President has no vote. A 50-50 vote results in an acquittal.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:44 AM

Claustrum (4,778 posts)

7. Um... so we are on the train about blaming one for what their spouse did?

It sounds an awful lot like the people that blamed Hillary for Bill's infidelity.

If there is evidence that Thomas did anything personally in the planning of the insurrection, it would be fine. Or if you think he should resign because he didn't rescue himself from the decision to block his wife's text from surfacing, that's fine too. But your argument is simply that he should resign because he has a seditious wife.....

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:48 AM

Kaleva (35,475 posts)

15. +1

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:50 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

17. You hadn't watched the Woodward/Accosta interview yet?

Besides how can he sit on the Supreme Court and be married to a woman that organized an attack against our Government? Did he file for divorce?

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:00 AM

Effete Snob (8,175 posts)

32. Yep

We better take a look at Judge Jackson’s husband, I guess.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:06 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

43. Why? Was he or she in attendance of 1/6?

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #43)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:07 AM

Effete Snob (8,175 posts)

46. No, but we don't know what else he may be involved in

We have to make sure that he has no political activities or interests that would relate to any case that might come before the Supreme Court, right?

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #46)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:24 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

55. Political activities are not what we are talking about...

We are talking about organizing an insurrection against the Legislative branch and the Constitution.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #55)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:25 PM

stopdiggin (9,612 posts)

65. which were NOT carried out (so far as we know)

by anyone sitting on the supreme court.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #55)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:29 PM

Effete Snob (8,175 posts)

69. Is that what she's been charged with?

Meadows? What's he been charged with?

Show me the law Clarence Thomas broke.

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:02 AM

genxlib (5,444 posts)

36. With all due respect

That isn't his crime. His wife is a different person and he doesn't have to be held accountable for what she does.

HOWEVER,

But that isn’t even the most troubling part of the story. It should be noted that Clarence Thomas was the sole dissenting vote when the Supreme Court decided to let the Jan6 Committee see the White House documents. Now we know that his wife is implicated in those documents. That is a clear conflict of interest that should have resulted in recusal.

That may be the most unethical position ever taken by a judge on the Supreme Court. Not only did he not recuse from an obvious conflict of interest, he actively engaged in a cover-up to protect his wife.

Frankly, I think you could make an argument for obstruction of justice (caveate-I am not a lawyer). We wouldn't let him get away with shredding her documents in their home so why should he get away with trying to bury them in the SC.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:05 AM

Claustrum (4,778 posts)

40. I clearly said it would be fine if you think he should resign or be impeached for his

decision not to rescue himself from the decision about his wife's texts.

But that's not the argument that the OP made. The OP is saying he should resign or be impeached because he has a seditious wife, full stop. Nothing about what else he did.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:09 PM

onenote (41,008 posts)

103. You are mistaken in thinking that the SCOTUS ruling impacted the Thomas-Meadows emails.

Those emails weren't among the documents involved in the SCOTUS case -- in fact, those emails were turned over to the Committee by Meadows in December 2021 in response to a subpoena -- a month before the SCOtuS let stand the appeals court ruling finding that the Archives was required to turn over the Trump documents at issue in that case.

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Response to onenote (Reply #103)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 05:16 PM

genxlib (5,444 posts)

106. I realize that but perhaps I wasn't clear

These particular texts were handed over but Thomas did rule over the case about an entire trove of other documents related to this same subject.

Since his wife was texting, it is very likely that she shows up in other documents that would be part of that document release. She apparently sent emails to Jared for instance. She could be in any number of documents related to visitor logs, planning sessions, etc.

I apologize if I wasn't clear but he is still ruling over issues in which she is implicated and there could be more damaging information beyond those texts.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:13 PM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

116. +1

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:27 PM

uponit7771 (89,577 posts)

67. The OP presumption is there's NO DAMN WAY Thomas didn't know about his wifes actions. That's hard

... to believe on the face of it

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #67)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:49 PM

stopdiggin (9,612 posts)

80. or that he veto power over his spouses actions?

or knowledge that they constituted criminal activity?

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #67)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:14 PM

Demsrule86 (67,131 posts)

122. How do you prove something like that?

I loathe Thomas, but I don't think we can do much....maybe if we are lucky, he will recuse himself...who knows.

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:15 PM

Orrex (62,712 posts)

91. "Appearance of impropriety"

Notwithstanding the fact that he is and has always been terrible, his wife’s activism irretrievably taints him.

If he had any integrity, he would resign (or die of the “flu”). If he had any integrity, he wouldn’t have gotten into this situation.

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Response to Claustrum (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:31 PM

MissMillie (37,940 posts)

112. No, but his vote to keep the Presidential Records private

seems to indicate that he knew his wife was up to no good, and that he'd be okay keeping that a secret.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:45 AM

Baitball Blogger (46,116 posts)

8. That's what I'm talking about. Justice Robert's legacy is trashed.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:51 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

19. 100%, but why doesn't he care?

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:29 PM

uponit7771 (89,577 posts)

68. +1, there's NO DAMN WAY Roberts didn't know about the conflict of interest here.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #68)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:33 PM

Baitball Blogger (46,116 posts)

74. +1

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #68)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:12 PM

onenote (41,008 posts)

104. You don't know that. And I think you've acknowledged it

For certain, Thomas should recuse himself from participating in any cases relating to the 2020 election and the events of January 6. But there is no reason to think that Roberts was aware of Ginni Thomas's activities and the Meadows-Thomas emails were not at issue in Trump v. Thompson (which was decided after Meadows had turned over those emails to the Committee).

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Response to onenote (Reply #104)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:54 PM

uponit7771 (89,577 posts)

108. He knows now and my assessment that there should be some communication about the institution

... standards still stands.

He should error on the side of communicating vs not

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:46 AM

Hoyt (54,770 posts)

11. Not for precedent that one is repsonsible for their spouse's action. Would love for Thomas to resign

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:03 AM

genxlib (5,444 posts)

38. See Post #7 above

It isn't being responsible for her crime that matters.

It is covering up for her crime that matters.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:50 AM

JohnSJ (89,136 posts)

18. That is up to Congress, not Robert's. At a minimum, he needs to recuse himself from anything

related to trump and the January 6th insurrectionist

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:06 AM

JohnSJ (89,136 posts)

44. I know, but my main point is that this isn't up to Roberts.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:00 PM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

86. +1

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:52 AM

TreasonousBastard (42,864 posts)

20. Thomas should resign, or at least recuse himself from..

questionable decisions.

Barring that, the only recourse is impeachment, and we know how that will go. Or not go.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:52 AM

doc03 (33,871 posts)

21. By who?

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:55 AM

Beakybird (3,152 posts)

23. J6 committee will subpoena her texts and emails. She's neck deep.

If she and her hubby are conspiring together, then he might have to resign.

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:59 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

31. I hope so.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:56 AM

redstatebluegirl (12,217 posts)

27. Be prepared for the next argument by the right.

It will be the Democrats are trying to throw a Black man off the Supreme Court. See they are not really in the corner of minorities at all. This is what they will begin saying, hoping to keep some minority voters home in November. They have tried to purge the rolls through stupid laws, now they have this issue to beat us with.

Don't tell me they won't do it, you know they will. One of the guys on Morning Joe this morning said Democrats bring policy books to a knife fight when fighting the Republicans, that is really really true. We are nice, we need to get nasty!

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:00 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

33. Oh I'm sure they will.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:57 AM

we can do it (11,840 posts)

28. When will these posts stop?

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:04 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

39. When I'm to tired to fight...

And that's not today.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:06 AM

we can do it (11,840 posts)

42. Fighting is one thing, nonsense another.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:08 AM

Effete Snob (8,175 posts)

49. Boldy speak gibberish to power!

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:29 AM

we can do it (11,840 posts)

56. Ha!😻

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Response to we can do it (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:14 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

54. Public pressure on a Supreme Court Justice to uphold the intgrity

Of the court is not nonsense. Nonsense is walking away from consequences for a Supreme Court Justice who's wife has text messages between her and the President's COS pushing to overturn the election of the POTUS, while implying her husband was in knowing this was a plan.

Time and pressure.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:31 AM

we can do it (11,840 posts)

57. Wasting time and energy when there is work to do is nonsense.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #57)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:15 PM

inthewind21 (3,991 posts)

61. Because

You said so. Got it. How high is it up there on your horse?

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #54)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:37 PM

Effete Snob (8,175 posts)

76. Yes, it is nonsense

It is a contradiction in terms:

"Public pressure" on any court, with the idea that the court should respond to "public pressure", is NOT consistent with "upholding the integrity of the court."

Courts rule on the matters before them. They are specifically designed not to be responsive to "public pressure".

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:13 PM

Demsrule86 (67,131 posts)

121. Fight how? There is no winning here....Roberts can't make Thomas do anything. We don't

have the votes for impeachment and removal...And I don't see Thomas caring about public comments...so what do you think should happen. Should the House go through a useless impeachment that will end with Thomas still on the court as the senate won't convict- in an election year no less? That is not fighting but political suicide.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #121)

Sat Mar 26, 2022, 03:22 PM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

123. Fighting means, Talking about it incessantly, like

Republicans do, until it sinks into the electorate that electing Republicans to office has brought us a Supreme Court that favors a political party over rule of law.

It's like a script they share as a memo that goes out to the whole republican party nationwide and they circle talk and just bring up the issue and repeat.

Thomas's wife was part of the organizing of an insurrection against our country. A Supreme Court justice's wife, wow.

What did he know, and what does he think now?

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #123)

Sat Mar 26, 2022, 03:46 PM

Demsrule86 (67,131 posts)

124. I think there are more important issues we can deal with...something we can actually do something

about. You and I are all into the insurrection but most people I know are not...it is the past. They are concerned with war, economics, and gas prices. Now I want those who tried to overthrow our government prosecuted of course. But I don't think that would be our go-to issue for the midterms.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #124)

Sat Mar 26, 2022, 11:12 PM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

125. I am always talking about those other issues with people also.

This post was a reaction to news getting attention about the big fish actors of the insurrection and it also still matters.

I live in a blue state red county and combat the right wing talking points daily with facts, such as

Russia invaded a sovereign country. Sanctions and aid is working along with determination to be a Democracy from the Ukrainian people. I hate war, so let's support democracies over dictators.

Gas prices are high because gouging has become the norm, call the oil companies and complain or drive less. We have the most reserves and oil is our largest export.

The economy is booming, and workers need to demand their fair share if that means quitting for a higher paying job, do it and let the boss know.

Taxes are not fair because the wealthy pay next to nothing thanks to the rump tax give away for the wealthy. If you want lower taxes quit voting for Republicans, they don't care about anyone but the rich. Tax the rich.

These are always the same issues. Democrats care about everything, republican'ts care about money.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:30 PM

uponit7771 (89,577 posts)

70. Possibly when Roberts comes out telling us why he didn't expose this conflict of interest relating

... to one of his jurors?

No seriously, this is some direct bullshit

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #70)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:27 PM

onenote (41,008 posts)

100. Roberts had no reason to know of Thomas's emails

See post 99.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #28)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:23 PM

Skittles (151,277 posts)

111. when something is done about Clarence Fucking Thomas

he is a DISGRACE

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Response to Skittles (Reply #111)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:34 PM

we can do it (11,840 posts)

113. Good luck with that.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #113)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:07 PM

Skittles (151,277 posts)

115. yes I understand repukes aren't usually held accoutable

that doesn't mean their outrages cannot be thoroughly hashed on DU and elsewhere - this playbook has worked VERY well for repukes for STUFF THEY MAKE UP about Democrats

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:57 AM

bucolic_frolic (39,172 posts)

29. There is no mechanism for doing as the OP demands

CJ Roberts has no power. He oversees but doesn't rule on other Justices. Ridiculous to think he will or should.

Marriage is a contract. Spouse is usually responsible for debts and contracts of the spouse. Does that apply to job duties? Does that apply to illegal activities that influence the job of the spouse? Murkier and murkier.

Tainted? You betcha. What do we do with a besmirched Justice? Drag the process that put him there through the mud and expose the corruption. But any end game is unclear, unlikely.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:02 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

35. I'm talking about public pressure, or addressing the intregity

Of the court, with Thomas continuing to sit on it.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:06 AM

bucolic_frolic (39,172 posts)

45. Mechanism. In the Constitution. And Roberts didn't put him there. /nt

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:12 AM

Kaleva (35,475 posts)

52. Not enough interest to generate the amount of public pressure needed.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:05 AM

fightforfreedom (4,913 posts)

41. Public pressure, political pressure, Thomas must resign.

That's how it is done. Thomas can say he is resigning for health reasons.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Reply #41)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:08 AM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

47. Sounds good to me.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #47)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:54 AM

Srkdqltr (5,276 posts)

58. Sure you guys lead the way. Talk is cheap.

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Response to fightforfreedom (Reply #41)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:30 PM

marie999 (3,334 posts)

101. Why would he care about public or political pressure?

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 11:56 AM

Srkdqltr (5,276 posts)

59. You all can say all this until you turn purple, but unless there is a mechanism

To do what you want , nothing will happen.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:32 PM

ashredux (2,468 posts)

73. Actually, Roberts does not have the power to make anyone resign.

Actually, Roberts does not have the power to make anyone resign.

Congress would have to impeach a judge to remove them from the bench. Roberts has very little authority over the other justices

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:43 PM

paleotn (16,812 posts)

77. Reminded of Roger Taney....

SCOTIS Chief Justice of Dred Scott infamy and openly supported the south but remained on the court during the Civil War. When he died in 1864, Lincoln made his feelings known by making no mention at all of his passing. He appointed Salmon Chase, a staunch abolitionist as his replacement.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #77)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:04 PM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

88. I love that.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:44 PM

stopdiggin (9,612 posts)

78. There is nothing for Justice Roberts to be 'taken to task' for

the associate justices are all independent actors - and hold their positions by virtue of their own appointments. They do not 'answer' to the chief justice in any meaningful (or even oblique) sense. And Roberts does not 'control' either the finite direction - or the 'messaging' or integrity of the court.

You might just as well begin 'petitioning' Alito, Sotomayer, or Barrett - for exactly the same effect.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:47 PM

Lonestarblue (8,451 posts)

79. The only way to make true change at the Supreme Court is to elect more Democrats.

And I know we all try our hardest to do that! Only with more Democrats who are willing to make some changes with the SC will we see more accountability. The first change needs to be term limits—maximum 18 years. The second needs to be a code legal code of ethics. The third needs to be overhauling the shadow docket system where the Court can let laws stand without hearing any arguments, as they did with the Texas abortion law. And a fourth possibility, though it might not be possible, is to allow a president to nominate no more than two justices even if that person serves two terms. No one person should be allowed to pack the Court.

I’m mostly on the fence about whether to expand the Court, though there are good arguments for doing so and for leaving it at the current size.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:56 PM

bluestarone (15,438 posts)

83. Hate to say this BUT, I think only ONE possible thing to do

Expand the court is our ONLY option. (ONLY option)

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #83)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:05 PM

Bluethroughu (4,077 posts)

89. Sounds good to me.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 12:58 PM

ffr (22,348 posts)

84. There is no honor or character amongst conservatives. Otherwise, he's have resigned

by now. Thomas too.

INSANE!

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:07 PM

Kablooie (18,328 posts)

90. This will all blow over soon.

With no consequences for any justices.
Just like Trump getting away with everything with no consequences.

Democrats use law and morals to discipline government officials.
Republicans simply ignore those in the pursuit of total power.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:15 PM

wryter2000 (45,645 posts)

92. Roberts had no power to make Thomas resign

No one does. As long as he's going to behave as shamelessly as the rest of the Republican party, there's nothing anyone can do short of impeaching him or hauling him off to jail. Ruling on a case where he has a clear conflict of interest doesn't break any laws. Even if his wife were to be convicted of a crime, which is doubtful, that wouldn't affect his position on the Court.

If impeachment works the same way it does for a president, I guess the House could start impeachment hearings. I'm not sure I want to sit through a bunch of his bleating about "an electronic lynching" again if the whole thing is pointless.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #92)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:25 PM

question everything (45,929 posts)

93. But does he have the power to establish ethics rules?

Lower courts do, but not the Supreme Court. According to Tubin on CNN earlier.

This would be a start.

Thomas has never recused himself while in this office.

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Response to question everything (Reply #93)

Mon Mar 28, 2022, 11:54 AM

wryter2000 (45,645 posts)

127. I don't know whether Roberts can establish ethics rules.

I kind of doubt it.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:39 PM

The Jungle 1 (4,552 posts)

94. Get him out now.

Contact all your congressmen.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 01:55 PM

Polybius (13,366 posts)

96. A Chief Justice doesn't have much more power than an Associate Justice

Roberts can't do a thing.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 02:26 PM

onenote (41,008 posts)

99. This isn't going to be popular, but the case heard by Thomas didn't involve Ginni Thomas's emails.

That case involved a variety of presidential records held by the Archives. Ultimately the Supreme Court ruled in January 2022 that those specific documents could be released to the January 6 Committee. But there is no reason to think that those documents included the Thomas emails. Indeed, the Thomas emails were turned over to the Committee by Mark Meadows in December 2021 pursuant to a subpoena he had received from the Committee.

In other words, the Ginni Thomas emails already were in the Committee's hands at the time the Supreme Court ruled on Trump's records.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:03 PM

JustABozoOnThisBus (23,039 posts)

102. This is no longer the Roberts court.

It's the McConnell court. Move like a snail when reviewing an Obama appointment. Move like a cheetah when reviewing RBG's replacement. He got three right-wing Catholic justices seated during one presidential term. He owns it.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:55 PM

Meowmee (5,163 posts)

109. Never

And no one is going to resign, that is my prediction. I hope I am wrong.

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Fri Mar 25, 2022, 08:46 PM

Blue Owl (47,374 posts)

114. K&R

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Response to Bluethroughu (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:16 PM

BlueIdaho (13,338 posts)

117. History will not be kind to Roberts and his kangaroo court.

Not much pressure can or arguably should be put on Justice Roberts, but the full weight of history will condemn him and his revisionist cabal of Justices. It’s a shit court unworthy of the name “Supreme.”

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Sat Mar 26, 2022, 11:48 PM

niyad (105,509 posts)

126. Never.

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