Sun Mar 6, 2022, 07:58 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
Just asking for a friend
If an American man, 53 years old but a half marathon runner, with zero actual military experience but a really good shot with rifles, pistols and shotguns due to being raised in the rural south had about 5 grand in travel money and wanted to do everything he could to help the people of Ukraine, how would he go about it?
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prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | OP |
relayerbob | Mar 2022 | #1 | |
LonePirate | Mar 2022 | #2 | |
mucifer | Mar 2022 | #3 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Mar 2022 | #4 | |
markie | Mar 2022 | #5 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #10 | |
gratuitous | Mar 2022 | #6 | |
lapfog_1 | Mar 2022 | #7 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #31 | |
JI7 | Mar 2022 | #8 | |
ForgedCrank | Mar 2022 | #9 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #11 | |
markie | Mar 2022 | #20 | |
Tetrachloride | Mar 2022 | #12 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #14 | |
Tetrachloride | Mar 2022 | #21 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #24 | |
Tetrachloride | Mar 2022 | #25 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #26 | |
Bev54 | Mar 2022 | #13 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #15 | |
Journeyman | Mar 2022 | #16 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #27 | |
Goonch | Mar 2022 | #17 | |
PoindexterOglethorpe | Mar 2022 | #18 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #19 | |
PoindexterOglethorpe | Mar 2022 | #22 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #23 | |
PoindexterOglethorpe | Mar 2022 | #33 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #34 | |
yagotme | Mar 2022 | #36 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #37 | |
PoindexterOglethorpe | Mar 2022 | #38 | |
MerryBlooms | Mar 2022 | #28 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #29 | |
MerryBlooms | Mar 2022 | #30 | |
prodigitalson | Mar 2022 | #32 | |
Bernardo de La Paz | Mar 2022 | #35 |
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:00 PM
relayerbob (5,877 posts)
1. Contact the Ukrainian embassy in Washington DC
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:00 PM
LonePirate (12,889 posts)
2. Donate to an organization helping Ukrainian refugees.
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:00 PM
mucifer (22,278 posts)
3. I would try to contact Vote Vets and/or Malcolm Nance
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:01 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (19,559 posts)
4. Ask the Ukrainian embassy, not DU. I would also encourage your friend to really think about
whether being "a good shot" means they're prepared to kill another person when the time comes, and whether they have the support after it's all over to live with what they might do.
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:01 PM
markie (22,285 posts)
5. there are numerous links
someone here might have some real-life experience??
https://kyivindependent.com/national/want-to-help-ukraines-military-as-a-foreigner-heres-what-you-can-do/ |
Response to markie (Reply #5)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:12 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
10. I will definitely pass this along
it's exactly the type of info my friend needs.
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:02 PM
gratuitous (80,511 posts)
6. As Flannery Connor said about Dorothy Day
That's a long way to go to get shot at.
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:03 PM
lapfog_1 (27,573 posts)
7. contact the Ukrainian Embassy
they are signing up volunteers and will give him documents that allow him to join the civil defense.
but... no combat experience... it's one thing to shoot at targets... it's quite another if the targets shoot back (not that I have ever been in that situation). I would think twice about going. |
Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #7)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:13 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
31. Not human targets, but moving living ones
Big difference I know but more than Sat at the range type stuff. My friend is not naive about the psychological implications of taking a human life and in fact that causes him more angst than the peril.
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:04 PM
JI7 (87,747 posts)
8. I think they want equipment more than people.
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:10 PM
ForgedCrank (1,182 posts)
9. I'd tell your "friend" to
donate his 5K to any humanitarian relief he sees fit and be settled with the fact that there isn't anything else realistic that he can do.
If your "friend" heads over there to shoot at Russians, there's a good chance he's not coming back. Maybe not a popular thing to say here, but that's going to be the final outcome if this thing isn't settled soon through diplomacy or concessions. |
Response to ForgedCrank (Reply #9)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:14 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
11. he would say there are more important things than coming back nt
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:18 PM
Tetrachloride (5,574 posts)
12. 5 K money might not be enough
triple check
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Response to Tetrachloride (Reply #12)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:21 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
14. Plane to Warsaw and then some bus tickets? nt
Response to prodigitalson (Reply #14)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:37 PM
Tetrachloride (5,574 posts)
21. Incidental expenses pile up.
I suggest a physical.
and ask a physical therapist on how to avoid muscle issues. i have a torn or inflammation muscle which still bugs me after 14 years. Socks. Foot pads. plastic bags, including a few zip locs 20 feet of thin rope (laundry drying). a roll of good fishing line. washers to make ends for fishing line. vitamins: magnesium, zinc, D, C a knife, a scissors leather jacket hooded sweatshirt a large yellow handkerchief dictionary extra battery source you may need to buy a new phone battery charger or 2 map binoculars get a crash course on infantry tactics from National Guards crash course on first aid ear plugs double check everything here with the Guard officer some gestures are a bit different in some countries. example in egypt, the gesture for finished as i am shopping or getting my booster shot vaccines dusseldorf airport is common for transfers. like a bowl of spaghetti. not too logical laminated copy of passports, email, du password, phone numbers copy of vaccines including corona pcr test probably rain, snow , cold patience |
Response to Tetrachloride (Reply #21)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:52 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
24. My friend spends weeks at a time in "the woods" and
already owns virtually everything in that list. Obviously it would cost money to fly it to Europe
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Response to Tetrachloride (Reply #21)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:53 PM
Tetrachloride (5,574 posts)
25. Use caution on salty food. The more salt, the more water you have to drink
make sure to read my previous post
i am mainly brainstorming. i don’t have too much useful experience if you go, better than me. |
Response to Tetrachloride (Reply #25)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:58 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
26. You are thinking out loud
but they are good thoughts from a good place. My friend thanks you
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:18 PM
Bev54 (7,767 posts)
13. Could also follow and ask questions on the FB page Expats Ukraine
They have people helping and provide a lot of information to others. Here is also a recent article about how to go about it:
https://kyivindependent.com/national/to-combat-russia-ukraine-invites-foreign-fighters-heres-how-to-apply/ |
Response to Bev54 (Reply #13)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:22 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
15. thank you. nt
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:26 PM
Journeyman (14,723 posts)
16. An inexperienced, untrained civilian on a battlefield can create serious issues . . .
for their comrades. Lives can be put in danger by both ill-formed decisions on the field and the need for others to attempt unforeseen rescues.
That said, every hand is welcome in an ass kicking competition, and wiser heads on the field can always find useful positions for all. Good luck, friend. |
Response to Journeyman (Reply #16)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:59 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
27. Your point and counterpoint are well taken, thank you nt
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:31 PM
Goonch (2,755 posts)
17. To contribute
Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:31 PM
PoindexterOglethorpe (24,256 posts)
18. Does he speak Ukranian?
If not, communicating with Ukrainians will probably be a huge issue.
So yeah, sending that money to some other organization would be a better choice. |
Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #18)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:34 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
19. english and spanish only
but a fast learner
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Response to prodigitalson (Reply #19)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:39 PM
PoindexterOglethorpe (24,256 posts)
22. Fast learner, not really good.
If he arrives not knowing word one of Ukrainian, he will be very handicapped. Plus, of course, their alphabet is a Cyrillic one, not the Roman alphabet we use here.
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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #22)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 08:49 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
23. Six week pimslure course nt
Response to prodigitalson (Reply #23)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:24 PM
PoindexterOglethorpe (24,256 posts)
33. What in the world is
"pimslure course"? I'm guessing some sort of online language thing, and if he can take six weeks and actually becomes semi-fluent, that would be good. But honestly, a 53 year old is simply not going to learn a brand new language easily, or well. Trust me, I've been there at that age.
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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #33)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:27 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
34. It's a pretty effective listening/speaking program similar to DOD and DoS
programs. However it wouldn't teach one to read or write the target language.
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Response to prodigitalson (Reply #23)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 10:00 PM
yagotme (1,389 posts)
36. Is your friend going to be taking this course first, or while under fire?
First would be easier to learn, but where is Ukraine going to be in 6 weeks? Decisions, decisions....
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Response to yagotme (Reply #36)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 10:06 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
37. First
of course. But immersion is the best language learning tool so I'm guessing six weeks in Ukraine will be much more instructive
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Response to prodigitalson (Reply #37)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 10:16 PM
PoindexterOglethorpe (24,256 posts)
38. If he's 53 years old, he is simply not going to learn a new language that readily.
Someone is not being realistic here.
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:00 PM
MerryBlooms (11,269 posts)
28. Your friend has an answer for everything, what's
Keeping him?
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Response to MerryBlooms (Reply #28)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:01 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
29. Existential fear.
Please elaborate.
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Response to prodigitalson (Reply #29)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:07 PM
MerryBlooms (11,269 posts)
30. Well, you're answering throughout your OP
To every possible scenario mentioned, you already have a solution to all the suggestions... Why do I need to elaborate? You even have a crash course in Ukrainian planned.
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Response to MerryBlooms (Reply #30)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:15 PM
prodigitalson (1,102 posts)
32. I don't know how to respond to that
sorry
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Response to prodigitalson (Original post)
Sun Mar 6, 2022, 09:54 PM
Bernardo de La Paz (44,717 posts)
35. Buy Air BnB spots to house refugees and incoming 25 year old experienced military people
Whether used or not, it inject $5k into Ukraine directly without siphoning off money to airlines, intermediate hotels, Polish taxi drivers, etc. |