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Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:44 AM

A view from the reddest of red states - Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweeping down the plain.

I live in the only State in America that went entirely against President Obama. The President did not win a single county. I remember the environment at the time and people were openly hostile and very vocal in their opposition to candidate Obama.

Fast forward 4 years. I work in a very right leaning occupation and I am surrounded by republicans. I interact face to face with 30-70 people a day. This year I hear almost zero political talk in the workplace. Criticism of the president is done now in whispers instead of shouts and that criticism is fewer and further between than four years ago.

The people who were once shouted down and openly mocked for their political beliefs, democrats, liberals, blacks, Hispanics, gays are now able to defend themselves and openly state their opinions and do so, sometimes, vocally and forcefully and often with quickly responding backup.

I have personally spoken to two republicans in my workplace who were strong opponents of President Obama in 2008 who are leaning towards voting for him or not voting at all because of their professed and intense dislike or Mitt Romney. I have also heard one of my republican co-workers tout the benefit of Obamacare allowing her to get insurance coverage for her adult child.

There are no Romney/Ryan stickers on any cars in our parking lot. There is one Obama magnet, mine. This is representative of mass drop off in election signs for the republican ticket city and state wide. I have seen about a dozen Romney Signs in my daily 35 mile commute through country, suburban and urban neighborhoods (six of those are in one yard). I have seen a few more Obama signs but there are about equal amounts for both candidates.

There is a palpable apathy towards Romney if not downright dislike. On the democratic side, my friends, family and a surprising amount of my co-workers are fired up to vote for President Obama. I have donated more money to his re-election than I did in '08 and more than I have ever donated to any politician in my life. I proudly wear my 2008 Obama t-shirt to work every day (under another shirt as to wear it openly would be a violation of city policy) but I flash my fellow supporters and, occasionally, one of the few vocal right wingers.

One adamant republican from 2008 texted me during the Biden/Ryan debate and said, "The old man is kicking the young man's ass." She later quietly told me that she couldn't stand Mitt Romney, didn't trust him and didn't think he was for the working class. Another young man who just registered as a republican at 25 told me he didn't know if he was a republican or not but that he didn't like Romney and wanted to know my opinion of him and President Obama. I gave it to him. He agreed with the things I had to say about both candidates.

I have no doubt that Oklahomans will overwhelmingly vote for Mitt Romney but if the apathy towards him in the belt buckle of the bible belt is any indication of national sentiment, he is in big trouble nationwide. If he can't win the trust of right wing, Christian, republican Okies, Romney can't win.


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Reply A view from the reddest of red states - Oklahoma, where the wind comes sweeping down the plain. (Original post)
Mortos Oct 2012 OP
RKP5637 Oct 2012 #1
kelliekat44 Oct 2012 #109
RKP5637 Nov 2012 #112
Kolesar Oct 2012 #2
skeewee08 Oct 2012 #21
Kolesar Oct 2012 #27
roguevalley Oct 2012 #31
lalalu Oct 2012 #48
flyingfysh Oct 2012 #46
Kolesar Oct 2012 #59
Beartracks Oct 2012 #95
Kolesar Oct 2012 #103
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Kolesar Oct 2012 #106
TheMastersNemesis Oct 2012 #3
RKP5637 Oct 2012 #7
Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2012 #22
Wednesdays Oct 2012 #32
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hfojvt Oct 2012 #4
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PDittie Oct 2012 #15
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Divine Discontent Oct 2012 #97
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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:48 AM

1. Refreshing to hear and well said! n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:55 AM

109. Well, if these people were true to their own convictions and beliefs they would NOT vote for Mitt

 

or for any Mormon. It is very telling what lying hypocrites they are in voting for a Mormon.

I am not personally attacking Mormons. Just pointing out what most of the red state folks have been taught in their churches and by their leaders. It appears that they only have strong convictions against women and minority rights.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #109)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:28 PM

112. Yep!!! Agree!!! n/t

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:54 AM

2. What about Cherokee and Native American culture?

Thanks for the post, Mortos. I wonder how strong of a presence the Native Americans have in Oklahoma.

They should be a group that candidates try to speak to when running for state wide or as a legislator.

More broadly, though, I have been wondering if there were museums or pow wows that were worth a visit.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:31 AM

21. I have a co-worker who is Native American she said

her tribe sent a news letter out saying they endorse President O & to vote for him.

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Response to skeewee08 (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:45 AM

27. The "hate the Mexicans" message of Romney can't be helping them

Or so I would expect

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #27)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:51 AM

31. sounds like alaska which was dem until oil and

Southern (Texas etc) oil management came and bought our legislature

Go oklahoma

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Response to skeewee08 (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:20 AM

48. President Obama received a lot of Native American support in 2008.

 

It seems the same in 2012.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:16 AM

46. The Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation headed the Oklahoma delegation at the convention

He issued a stong statement against the Scott Brown racist attacks against Elizabeth Warren for claiming Cherokee ancestry.

There is the Cherokee National Museum, in Talequah Oklahoma, as well as several other historic sites nearby. Talequah is the capital of the Cherokee Nation, as well as the United Keetowah Band of Cherokee Indians.

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Response to flyingfysh (Reply #46)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:08 AM

59. Yes, that is what I want to see

I am clicking through the links now http://www.cherokeeheritage.org/

There is a sad story of Ohioans who were forcibly removed to a reservation near there because they were "Indians". This was in the mid-19th century. I read it in a canal history book years ago. They lived near the Miami River and had been established for decades.

Thanks!

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:05 AM

95. Museums

I don't know about pow wows, but you could check out Woolaroc and Gilcrease:

http://www.woolaroc.org/ (near Bartlesville)

http://gilcrease.utulsa.edu/ (in Tulsa)




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Response to Beartracks (Reply #95)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 11:13 AM

103. The "Collector's Reserve" collection at the Gilcrease is amazing

I can't wait to tell people I am going to vacation in Oklahoma.
Thanks for the links, I got lost in there
surf's up

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #103)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 08:40 PM

105. "Surf's up"??? You on the east coast?

If so, be safe!

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #105)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 08:22 AM

106. "Web" surfing, lol

Thanks

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:56 AM

3. When I See A Red State Like Oklahoma Turn Even Purple I Will Know That People Just ----

 

might be waking up. What is ironic is that if the Ryan budget were to pass the red states would get hit the worst economically.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:02 AM

7. It's amazing. Many of the recipients don't get it that they are the ones to be cut

and hit worse, but they just don't get it ... I have (had) some friends that will soon be on SS and Medicare ... and their families were on welfare for years, lived in section 8 housing and projects ... and now they are moving into subsidized housing for the elderly ... And all they can talk about are them, those people on welfare taking money and how Ryan will clean it up. I don't get it, just WTF is wrong with people. You can't penetrate their thick heads.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:32 AM

22. These people vote against themselves

like the sheep (except sheep probably have more intelligence).

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #22)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:54 AM

32. Google up OK's state questions for this year... It'll blow your mind

What's really mind-blowing is, they'll all pass by at least 2 to 1 margins!

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #32)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:02 AM

36. OMG!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:59 AM

4. I am not seeing the same thing in Kansas

In 2004, it seems like I saw Kerry all over the place. Bumper stickers, yard signs. Heck, I thought we might win Kansas.

Ha, we lost this county about 16,000 to 10,000.

Now though, I see far more Romney and Nobama stickers than anything else. I don't have any expectation that Obama won't get thumped in this county, and in this Congressional district and this state.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:17 AM

11. In this part of KS I don't see a whole lot of Romney/Ryan signs, but I guess it's about

6 to 1 more signs for Romney/Ryan than Obama/Biden. Many of the Obama/Biden signs get stolen by asshole republicans. Some have taken to putting their Obama/Biden signs inside their house in the windows than in the yard. After the recent primaries in Kansas, I have no doubt that Kansas will be as red as red can be in this election.

I did see some really interesting bumper stickers recently ... I'm a patriot stickers, etc. on the back of the truck, pretty much the teabagger stuff ... and then a big red sign on the side of the truck said "I'm no Republican, I'm a Democrat!!!"


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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:43 AM

18. I am seeing more bumperstickers than yard signs

the yard signs are taken up with state legislative races, but the Democratic candidates, other than myself, are doing a good job getting their signs out. Still, there are LOTS of Republican signs too for the local candidates. So it is hard to tell, I expect we will win in the 41st and the Sherrif looks strong. If we win Senate 5 (and we should (knock on wood)) it will be because of Wyandotte County, not my own. Same with the 3rd district, except it will be Douglas County. The other races, we are likely to lose the 42nd. Hard to tell with the 40th. It's uphill, but I am hopeful. We have a decent shot at the 38th as well, although I kinda have to shake my head. Our candidate is a retired insurance man, who makes six figures in retirement. He's a decent guy, I have known him for probably five years, but really is that the best representative of the working class? I guess anything would be better than a rubber stamp for the Governator that the Republican would be. But still ...

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:30 AM

15. Texas is also still bad

And I live in Houston (nearly inside the Loop), in a blue precinct. Romney yard signs out number Obama about 8-1. Nearly got run off the road this past week in my wife's car, which has an O magnet and a "Women will Remember in November" one also.

EV turnout in the nation's 2nd-largest county (Harris, Texas) is massive, however, and that's encouraging:

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Harris-County-shatters-records-for-early-voting-3985810.php

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Response to PDittie (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:35 AM

16. I almost got rear ended on the highway

by a douchebag in a giant pickup. I was going 78 mph and he changed lanes and accelerated right up to my back bumper. He then cut sharply around me and gave me a thumbs down because of my Obama sticker. I gave him a finger up...and I wish he would have pulled over so I could have kicked his ass.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:37 AM

97. and that's why I don't believe Ohio was a Bush victory over Kerry

considering how decent you say Kerry did there, then, it's hard to believe a rather purple/blue state like Ohio with its long line of Democratic Senators (Metzenbaum, Glenn, Brown) and turning blue for presidents, wasn't in the Kerry column in 04. They absolutely did a number on Ohio with the misplacement of hundreds of voting booths, and tabulating the numbers through the same Tennessee company's servers that hosted the RNC! Ugh...

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:00 AM

5. IMOH I believe

there are A LOT of self proclaimed repubes that will either vote Obama or not at all....If I were repub. I most certainly would NOT vote for willard.....I wouldn't want to seen as one of those people that support THOSE kind of people.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:01 AM

6. I have one close Native friend

And she is a proud Obama supporter. I think she is a big part in turning her husband from a mildy vocal republican to an strong vocal democrat.

We have great museums and a huge Pow Wow (The Red Earth Festival) every year that draws thousands of Native Americans.

http://www.travelok.com/Museums?CMP=Search_Google_Museums

http://www.redearth.org/





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Response to Mortos (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:05 AM

37. Is the pow wow always in June? n/t

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:05 AM

8. Suppose Obama had said: "You know those red-neck Okies? They will never vote for me. My job is not

 

worry about them. I will never get their vote." The election would have been over as soon as the statement was reported, It would not have had to be seen on a video...just reported. What is wrong with people that they can not vote against someone with the mindset of Romney?

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:12 AM

10. They have been brainwashed by Foxnews and it's echo chamber

They are low information voters who believe the lies they have been told over and over again. They have bought into the myth that republicans are more moral, more patriotic, more responsible and better Americans. They are wrong but they believe in their hearts they are doing the right thing. As I told one deranged republican; I give you facts, you respond with your beliefs. I can't debate your feelings.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:08 AM

9. I too am flummoxed by the lack of robme/lyan yard signs or bumper stickers

I've seen a couple Obama/Biden yard signs but actually not many of either party this time around. I've seen more old bush/cheney bumper stickers on cars that were passing through than I have for either party candidates this time around. I've yet to see a RR sticker on an automobile that has an Oklahoma tag on it in these parts of the woods whereas I have seen one for Obama/Biden.
This is unprecedented as in previous elections around here I'd see brazillions of yard signs and bumper stickers for both dems and pukes.
Is this a good sign or bad, I don't know but I keep hoping for the best. In this mornings Tulsa newspaper I read an article that said that in Tulsa county Obama has received more contributions than rMoney has but in the state that isn't the case.

For the record President Obama has received two donations from me this year where as previously I never contributed to political parties

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Response to madokie (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:59 AM

35. The same article said in Tulsa Obama and Romney are tied

but the rest of the state........

In my neighborhood there is one Romney sign and one Obama sign.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #35)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:13 AM

41. I'm hoping that the pollsters are either lying to us or they're cherry picking who they call

We get called by them on our land line but neither of us has received a call from a pollster on our cell phones. Many of the younger generation don't have land lines and the ones I know are Obama supporters so my hope is that President O will win big even here in Oklahoma. I know that is a stretch but without hope I have nothing.
So I cling to all I have.

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Response to madokie (Reply #41)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:14 AM

45. I started answering "unavailable"

And I answered three surveys last week. I may be skewing the Oklahoma results..hahaha

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #45)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:23 AM

50. I will start answering those unavailable calls

I have been ignoring them for weeks. Let's swing this state down to bright red from it's current state of blindingly red

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Response to madokie (Reply #41)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 12:18 AM

92. that is basically happened in 1948

the first telephone polls showed Dewey ahead of Truman. Problem was, if you could afford a phone in many areas, especially rural areas, you were a Republican. Of course, there were the far right Dems and far left Dems decided to be spoilers also added to the conventional wisdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1948

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:17 AM

12. Ditto in South Carolina

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:23 AM

13. r0mney has been openly duplicitous, decietful, has committed many gaffes,

has made many outrageous and condescending statements regarding women and the less than rich, has a history of being a corporate raider, refuses to disclose his tax returns and saber rattles for votes.

What is their to like? Oh yeah, he is the white guy.

Look at it this way. If this guy is leaving a bad taste in the mouth of republican idealogue's, president Obama is probably in good shape nationwide.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:24 AM

14. My sister lives in OK City

 

I haven't heard a peep from them about who they are going to vote for, and she and her husband are conservatives.

There is a palpable dislike for Romney in the South, too. He has three problems - 1. He's a Mormon, and evangelicals don't really trust that. 2. He's established himself as a candidate that changes his position ever time he opens his mouth. 3. Romney's biggest problem - He's plain not likable. Neither is his wife. His personality deficit is the biggest problem that he has.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:49 AM

30. I was just reading about the LDS Church

and was astounded to find that that Islam has more in common with Christianity than does the LDS Church! How are you doing Aerows?

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #30)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:08 AM

38. Do you have a reference for that?

I would love to read it. Thank you. LMSP

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #38)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:24 AM

51. It was an article in Rolling Stone

Oct 25th issue. "Mitt Romney & the Ghosts of Mormon History" by Mikal Gilmore. The author doesn't make the comparison between Islam and Christianity, that was my conclusion...I was raised in a very fundamental Christian church and have read the Bible, cover to cover more than once... I was astounded to find that the LDS Church teaches that God was once human.

blog.mrm.org/.../does-mormonism-still-teach-god-the-father-was-onc.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #51)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:32 AM

54. Thanks!

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #54)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:06 AM

58. You're welcome!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:39 AM

17. thank you for sharing this.

the media keeps trying to make it look like a close race. anecdotal stories like yours tell a very different story.

not too much longer to go now. GOTV.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:46 AM

99. GOTV

HaHa, I just Googled it. All this time I thought it was some new cable political channel.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:48 AM

19. Nice to hear there are people out there seeing through Romney.

I see some support for him in red Tennessee, but not nearly as visibly evident as for Bush. I don't think they are supportive of Romney. I do think they are viciously anti-Obama. That I have evidenced by posts on Facebook by the unlikeliest of people, including a local minister who is convinced that Obama is a Muslim. There is no reasoning with him. I have tried. In fact, I gave up and unfriended him because I did not want to even see that crap on my news feed.

It is really sad.

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Response to Tennessee Gal (Reply #19)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:51 PM

89. Okie born and raised.

My experience w one Okie friend from HS was almost violent. At the time he was a missionary in Africa. On his FB page his political affiliation was republican so I jokingly asked if he was one of those one issue repubs like most around here. He private messaged me w some very strong language. Also with the talking points from Fox: Obama is a Muslim. Obama isn't an American. Obama hates America. Obama is on an apology tour. Obama blames Bush for everything. It totally caught me off guard. The hatred some of my fellow Okie's have for Obama is from deep seeded racism. Nothing else can explain this degree of hatred for a sitting President.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:05 AM

20. I have a cousin who lives in Oklahoma...

He is a former Air Force pilot and Republican to the bone. Each election I get Republican emails from him but rarely hear from him any other time. This year I had enough and emailed him back telling him I am a Democrat and am supporting President Obama...

I have not heard a peep from him since.

Thank you for your post. It is very telling about the unhappy Republicans.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:32 AM

23. Unfortunately, it's a lot more polarized here! But we also have a lot of increasingly vocal

Obama supporters. We are fighting for control but they cheat! The Rmoney supporters are very vocal but only have insults, no policy of theirs that they can point out! It's kinda fun to push the on that!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:38 AM

24. I also live in Oklahoma (Edmond)

North of Oklahoma City, and I must say. I have only seen 1 yard sign in Edmond & maybe 5-7 car stickers between both city's Now in 2008 this whole City was satuate with McLame/Fallin signs.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:40 AM

25. I was blessed to live in Norman...

For 8 years. Love it and miss it. But I surrounded myself with liberals, so it wasn't too bad. But I wasn't there for either this or the 2008 season, so I missed all the bluster.


Man, I'm homesick

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:45 AM

26. And yet the Corporate Media says the race is tied!!

 

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:47 AM

28. Your post was exactly what I needed to hear..

I live in a red county in purple Colorado, but two weeks out of every month since Feb. we have been living in southwest Texas caring for my 90 year old bedridden father in law who should die any time. He was a terrible man and father so this is out of a sense of duty, not love. Our time in Nov. is the first two weeks, so I will be there on election night. When we were there in August, 2008 when my mother in law died, I saw McCain bumper stickers and signs everywhere. This year, I'v seen about 3 Rmoney bumper stickers and only a few signs. Even though I know the "good white Christians" will vote GOP, they aren't visible supporting the Mormon. I am dreading election night.. if Rmoney wins this I will be inconsolable. My husband can't wait to celebrate an Obama win, and plans to leave the tv on in his father's room all night.
Of course, down there in the Permian Basin, business is booming. The unemployment rate is around 4% and houses sell in a week. That damn Obama!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:48 AM

29. I'm in the OKC area, and I tend to agree

The percentage of Obama yard signs vs. Republican is much higher this year -- almost even in some neighborhoods. Including in posh Nichols Hills!

Among people who support Obama, the disgust with rMoney is far deeper than it was towards McCain. I think we'll do a lot better nationwide than in '08.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:55 AM

33. If I were you.

 

I'd move.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #33)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:12 AM

40. I hate it when posters pop off like this

There are so many reasons to stay.
I'm sure economic/job reason are high on the list. Oklahoma's unemployment rate is 5.2%. The cost of living here is ridiculously low.
My daughter just bought a house in Portland for 180,000. It would be half that here in Tulsa... and Tulsa has one of the higher housing costs.
Despite a few rough patches, the weather is pretty good. Fuel costs are low and...........

even our rednecks are nice. Oklahoma is full of just really nice people.
People don't talk politics 24/7. We talk about our gardens, the weather, sports ( of course), family...
If someone says "bless you", I say "thank you", even though I'm an atheist.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #40)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:20 AM

47. Same here. I love living in Oklahoma

And I think that by being here I am helping to change minds on what a "lib" and a "democrat" is. I live on an acreage and raise chickens for eggs. I have a log house. I used to drive a truck before gas got too expensive for my commute. I fight the stereotypes everyday and I think, like President Obama, I am making slow progress and I won't quit.

With the exception of politics, this is a great place to live.

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Response to Mortos (Reply #47)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:28 AM

53. .." the land we belong to is grand..."

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #40)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:53 AM

56. That's his MO. A royal asshole

He makes brief remarks like this showing his disdain for all of us in red states.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #40)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:57 PM

63. Too bad.

 

I've been through Oklahoma and consider it a hellhole.

Your opinion is different. That's okay with me.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #40)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 05:21 PM

64. I like to say that we live in a wonderful country

 

with 50 wonderful states.

As for me, there are some states and some cities you could not pay me to live in. And the places I like to live in, others would not want to be there for any amount of money.

However, for someone who is unhappy with where they live, they should really look into moving.

And I'm with you about when someone says "Bless you" to me. I am not remotely religious, but I appreciate that they are extending their good wishes, so I also say "thank you."

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #40)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 09:09 AM

110. If someone says bless you to me

I just tell em "Thanks, I need all the help I can get."

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Response to tabasco (Reply #33)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:55 PM

60. And obverse of the "love it or leave it crowd".

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Response to tabasco (Reply #33)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 06:29 PM

73. You are completely wrong.

What we need is *more* progressives to move to the red states, not less.

I think we should be very supportive and encouraging to our friends stuck in red state hells around the country, they are swimming against a strong stream of misguided ignorance.

Besides, don't you get what it's like to love the place you're from?

Julie

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #73)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:23 PM

79. well said, Julie...

 

from where the stars at night shine big and bright

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:59 AM

34. I smell a Democratic landslide...nt

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:11 AM

39. I'm leery of predicting outcomes based on signs or stickers.

I think lots of people are afraid of having signs or bumper stickers showing their support for Obama because they're worried about the repercussions. Even in my very blue county, I've known several people who've gotten their cars keyed after putting on an Obama sticker. I can only imagine the courage it would take for people to put up an Obama yard sign in a very red area. Too many nutjobs on the right.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:13 AM

42. dont live in OK but

 

In my city ( mcminnville ,Or. ) i have seen quite a few yard signs for Pres. Obama and the only sign i see for Robme is a big sucker on a vacant lot on the main hwy out of town.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:14 AM

43. Used to live in Tulsa, now in the Kansas City area

I was back there though to work the state fair. I haven't had a television hooked up to anything other than a DVD/VCR player for going on 20 years so I don't even get NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, or FOX so when I lived in Oklahoma, I never saw political ads. When I came back though, I stayed in a motel and had the television on and was surprised to see some Obama ads. One of my friends who is a business owner in Tulsa and very conservative and religious also admitted to me that he has misgivings about voting for Romney even though he probably will, but I could tell he wasn't excited about the choice.

TlalocW

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:14 AM

44. Here's the thing Mortos...

"The people who were once shouted down and openly mocked for their political beliefs, democrats, liberals, blacks, Hispanics, gays are now able to defend themselves and openly state their opinions and do so, sometimes, vocally and forcefully and often with quickly responding backup. "

This sentiment is the thing that terrifies them. Because EVENTUALLY, it will spread and then it won't just be those people you mentioned that can defend themselves, it will be the working masses back-talking and taking to task, their economic "betters".

And that can't be allowed to happen.
EVER.

They tried a coup to rid themselves of FDR, and when that didn't work, the next time they HAD to get rid of someone, John, little brother Bobby and MLK Jr. all ended up shot. Of course THEY weren't the ones who pulled the trigger (THEY always have Plausible Deniability)
because the idiots who prop them do their dirty work for them. If the idiots are too scared to keep accomplishing the wet-work for them, there will come a time when there's no one left to defend them from real, and Democratically enacted, Justice.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:21 AM

49. Romney is just so fake as a person and politician.

The Repubs will vote for him but have no real love for him.

One of my friends is from Oklahoma but moved to Connecticut five years ago. I met her when I went back to college. She said it was culture shock and said we move too fast up here. I would probably have culture shock the other way. But I am glad there are hardcore liberals in Oklahoma.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:24 AM

52. Even if Obama won't get the state

That sounds like progress, and it's a good thing!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:39 AM

55. was the most racist state i ever lived in

Or visited

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #55)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 06:19 PM

72. Also, Elvis got booed when he played here!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:56 AM

57. Very first law

 

passed by the Oklahoma legislature was one banning interracial marriage. The hatred and racism is so intertwined with the history and consciousness of Oklahoma. They may not like Mitt, and they may not say it outright, but when it comes down to it a lot of people really really hate african americans.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:45 PM

61. Well....that

 

gave me some encouragement. I'm in OH and there are more yard signs and endless ads on TV. It's wearing on my nerves. I just want Obama to win by a significant margin so we can get on with our upcoming fiscal cliff!

I'm hoping lots of folks here don't vote Romney and just vote Repugnant down ticket.

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Response to femrap (Reply #61)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:53 PM

81. I'm with you

I'm also from Ohio, and I'm just exhausted by the constant hype and noise. I HATE that everyone on M$M says that WE pick the president.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:57 PM

62. K&R for Mortos and this OP

Thank you.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 05:22 PM

65. I live in the OKC Area

I am not from Oklahoma I came here for work. It has been a brutal place for a progressive woman to live. Yes, the people are nice, until they find out you are a Democrat and a Unitarian. I am lucky to work in higher ed, more sane folks in that group, although some of our Deans and Department heads are a little nuts.

I do agree I do not see as many Romney signs as I saw McCain. Almost no bumper stickers, but i think the race of our President will get people to hold their noses And vote for Mitt, at Least he isn't Black.... We will never be purple, I wish....

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #65)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 05:31 PM

68. What is it with Deans and Dept Heads? Is it all about the money? n/t

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #68)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 05:34 PM

69. I am not sure

But a lot of ours seem to come from Texas...go figure!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 05:24 PM

66. I live in OK too. Altus

I have see a lot less yard signs overall this year. Still more R/R than Obama though. I still have hope that in my lifetime,(I'm 38) I will see Oklahoma go blue!
Or become a swing state

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Response to okwlc21 (Reply #66)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 05:29 PM

67. Don't worry about the yards signs. OFA is concentrating on ground game instead

of yard signs this election (several posts on DU about this.)

Also, with all the misplaced rage the GOP has ginned up the last four years (starting with Sarah Palin's hate fest speeches), I think people are leery of getting their signs stolen, cars keyed, etc.

I live in Virginia and never thought we'd be a swing state and yet here we are. Hope you get to experience this someday soon!

And WELCOME to DU!

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Response to beac (Reply #67)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 06:50 PM

74. Thanks for the welcome :)


I'm not really new, joined up in 2010 and just forgot about this place.

But I really look forward to the day when my vote will count!

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Response to okwlc21 (Reply #74)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:31 PM

85. Oh dear!

Just the other day I was bragging about how I "always" click on a low-post-count member's profile before welcoming them so I don't make exactly this mistake!

Guess I got caught up in the near-election excitement.

Well, glad you are back and active. Hope we'll be seeing you around a lot more.

I'll look forward to buying you a virtual beer when OK is in play.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 05:34 PM

70. Every county in Okla. will vote for Romney

I live in the reddest part of the reddest state, and trust me, they hate Obama. The curious thing about Oklahona, a state still living in the dark ages, is that we have appox, 640,000 people with no health insurance. Yet, the majority of the people in this state oppose the Affordable Healthcare Act. Most Okies also believe that Obama has cut the military, despite the fact that he has increased military spending each year that he's been in office. Another curious aspect of Oklahoma is the women. Most will vote for Romney, despite the crazy statements about rape and abortion coming from the right. Oklahoma also is home to the most rightwing newspaper in America, the daily Oklahoman. One of our Senators, a lunatic by the name of Jim Inhofe, goes around the state telling people that Obama has disarmed America. Having said all of this about the state that I call home, there are many good Democrats in this state who stand up to the wingnuts on a daily basis. And, one of the best republican bashing web sites on the internet, http://www.bartcop.com/ is run by an Okie!

I am surrounded by republicans every day at work and you wouldn't believe (well, yes you would) the vile things they say about Obama and Democrats in general.

OBAMA 2012!

GO NOTRE DAME!

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Response to Joey Liberal (Reply #70)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 06:55 PM

75. Yes your right not one will.

I remember 2004 and how mad I was that not even one county voted for Kerry.

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Response to Joey Liberal (Reply #70)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:18 PM

77. Ever heard of Frosty Troy?

He was a Democrat in OK that Molly Ivins wrote about. I guess he's still around.

I loved Frosty's name for The Daily Oklahoman.
He called it 'The Daily Disappointment'.

That's as good as calling The Dallas Morning News "The Dead Sea Scrolls".




I amuse myself easily.

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Response to Manifestor_of_Light (Reply #77)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:06 PM

82. we always called the morning news

the dallas morning snews (snooze)

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 05:36 PM

71. Having relatives in OK and visiting there alot...I feel bad for you all

As bad as it makes me feel when people online trash Texas, I know you Dems in OK have it much, much worse....at least we have our spots of deep blue down here and there is a glimmer of hope. Up there, not so much. I don't know how you all manage to keep your sanity.

Despite everything mittens/lyin' ryan have said/done over the last several months, my right wing relatives STILL post rah-rah romney stuff on their FB.
All I can think is "what don't you all get...he cares NOTHING about you and yours, NOTHING.

I do look thru the Tulsa World website occasionally and not too long ago I saw what was basically a cartoon putting Mittens down..I thought at the time "wow, if THEY posting anti-mittens cartoons, he is screwed"!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:06 PM

76. I am seeing similar things in the oilfields of Alaska.

 

They are no fan of Obama but they have resigned themselves to his victory this year.

I would guess that is the reason Obama has outraised Romney in campaign contributions up here. They don't see a reason to give their money to a person they don't see as a winner.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:22 PM

78. For down-ticket benefits, let's hope the

ambivalent Repubs STAY HOME on election day.

Thanks for sharing this Excellent news!

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:30 PM

80. Similar here

 

though my state is pretty blue, my county is red. Far fewer Rmoney/Lyin signs than there were M/P four years ago. More O signs & stickers too.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:08 PM

83. Just goes to show what uninformed voluntarily ignorant racist hypocrites

these Thugs are. 25 years old, registers Republican, but doesn't know why? What a moron. And the lady claiming victory for RobMe during the debate, but she doesn't like or trust him and will vote for him anyway? Total racist. Good lord, I detest those people.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:09 PM

84. I needed to read your post and the thread

I live in Ohio, and I'm actually shaken up by the LARGE number of Rmoney/Lyin signs in yards. We didn't have this number of McCain/Palin signs in my immediate neighborhood in 2008. I live in a very middle-class neighborhood in a largely blue county. I don't have an Obama sign this time, but I do have Sherrod Brown's sign. (Obama headquarters was out the times I went.)

At a few homes, the Rmoney signs line the driveway. It feels like the homeowner wants to announce loudly to all of us just how very racist he is. My neighbors aren't wealthy, nor am I. They will need Social Security and Medicare as they get older. They will need health care insurance. Their decisions make no economic sense.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:45 PM

86. "There is a palpable apathy towards Romney if not downright dislike."

 

Of course. He's the Mormon version of John Kerry when you get down to it.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:53 PM

87. any ideas on the political climate in McIntosh County?

was raised there, and curious...

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Response to Dan (Reply #87)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 10:57 AM

102. I don't know about McIntosh county.

No one is polling Oklahoma because of our history. I would assume it to be redder than red.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:19 PM

88. COMRADES, the View from Tulsa is RED!

Oklahoma, which has a storied past as the state that nearly became socialist in the early 20th, is so RED now residents would fit right in with the Kremlin Kolor Theme.

There's no politics of any substance left here. The wingnuts have won. And we Dems have for the most part given up. There's just no reason for the Repugs to post national signs, and displaying an Obama bumper sticker or yard sign is an invitation to road rage or bricks through the window.

The only issue here is who can be the most repugnant. The Tulsa Congressional District is open because the TeaBaggers threw out John Sullivan. A terrible Congressman, and the best we could hope to have in Washington, because he wasn't just a knee jerk jerk, he wandered off to rehab often enough to miss votes.

Our likely Repug Rep? Bridenstine, a guy who "wants to cut domestic spending on programs like Social Security and Medicare in order to inflate the military to an even larger size, granting huge amounts of money to irresponsible and wasteful corporate contracts that even the Pentagon says are unnecessary and amount to little more than pork barrel."

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/06/27/the-frank-agenda-of-bridenstine/

It would be dark humor, if he weren't already packing for Washington --- with the full and ignorant support of thousands of folks on Social Security . . .

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Response to rablrouzer (Reply #88)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 12:54 AM

93. Welcome to DU

For ten years I worked for a company in OKC. Although I live in CT I use to visit your state regularly. I can attest to your post. Redder than Red. No need for Flipper to spend money in states he already has sewn up..

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:57 PM

90. Good to hear

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:40 PM

91. Whoa - thanks for this report! GREATLY interesting, Mortos!

My sincere apologies, but when I see clips on the news of either of your senators, I find myself seriously wondering what the hell is wrong with Oklahoma voters. I mean - james inhofe? Seriously? Your state wants THIS certified Neanderthal ding-dong representing you in the Senate, who never saw a pollutant he wanted to regulate or protect the population from? tom coburn? Really???? This Christianist zealot Cro-Magnon weasel who helped run that religious house of horror in Georgetown where john ensign took aid and comfort while he was screwing his friend's wife? And Oklahoma voters are truly okay with this? WTF??? I do NOT get it.

I keep reminding myself that Oklahomans are truly wonderful and noble people and they are my countrymen and women and they love their country just as I do. For Heaven's sake, the Oklahoma license plate is one of the loveliest of them all. But SHEESH!!! When I see what they repeatedly want to send to Washington ON THEIR BEHALF, I just can't make sense of it.

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Response to calimary (Reply #91)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:40 PM

104. We have lived here 12 years

I truly ask myself that question on a regular basis. What I have found is the lack of education has a lot to do with it. A great many of the people I have met here do not read anything past a comic book now and then. They let their pastors tell them how to vote and how to think.

If they do read, it is the trash rag in OKC the Oklahoman, something right of Limbaugh. They all vote straight ticket republican no matter what! Our state legislature is trying to push through a law that will get all of the oil and gas companies (as well as other large businesses) off the hook for paying taxes on most of their intellectual property (I use that term very loosely down here). It will force the cities and counties to raise taxes to pay for roads, schools all of the basics but because our Governor is selling it as a great thing they will no doubt vote for it.

I live with a bunch of dumb sheep..... There are some progressives down here like us, but we are terrified to speak out, I don't write letters to the editor or anything since we work for the university. Not a wise thing for sure....

I disagree with the original post in this thread a bit, I do see fewer Republican signs and stickers but I know they are all still out there, nut jobs everyone. Democrats down here would be a moderate Republican anywhere up north. Not really Democrats as I knew them.

Not all of us are nuts, but we are certainly in the minority and silenced for the most part. If you like your job you keep your mouth shut and listen.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #104)

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 03:06 PM

107. Welcome to DU, redstatebluegirl! Sorry you have to live in such awful circumstances.

I just shake my head at what goes on. I DO NOT GET how people can be so blind. My condolences to you. I guess that's one other really good reason why sites like DU are here. You can come here and speak confidently and openly and safely. You're among friends here. Glad you found your way to us! We need you!!!!! Maybe not to redeem your state at this time, but certainly to make sure we clinch this election for President Obama.






Now get to work. Below the radar, of course, but get to work!

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Response to calimary (Reply #107)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:47 AM

108. Thanks!

Glad I found this place as well. It might help me survive down here! Obama in 2012, Hillary in 2016

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 01:40 AM

94. I appreciate that report very much. I'm hoping things will keep going that way.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 03:33 AM

96. Thank you for this very hope-inspiring, well-written post

that I have enjoyed immensely.

An enthusiastic kick and rec.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 04:22 AM

98. The GOP will steal it, if they have to.

 

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 07:19 AM

100. I've lived in or around Oklahoma City my entire life.

My wife and her family (all progressives) are from the Tulsa area. To be honest I think all of us would be shocked to NOT see a repeat of the 2008 statewide Nobama type sweep. I saw more Obama bumper stickers in 08. I see more now. So what? Nobody was excited about McCain. Nobody is excited about Romney. Liberals, progressives, and Democrats of all walks carry a passion that is unrivaled except by the looniest of loons (wait, in Oklahoma that is pretty much everybody) on the right.

I work in a hospital where a disproportionate number of my peers are a) educated and b) women. It seems to me that only in the ICU where a good number of us are irreligious and have a knowledge of what is going on outside of the bubble does it seem that the general anti-Obama sentiment is lacking. Anywho... to think of Oklahoma as purple is wishful thinking. I imagine that this state will catch up to the rest of the country somewhere around 2075. If you rounded up all the progressives in the state and put them in one county, then maybe Obama wouldn't get swept in Oklahoma. This place is a pit of ignorance. Sure it is more acceptable to speak one's mind than it was four years ago, but the majority of people are the type of brainwashed robots you expect to find over at freerepublic.com.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 08:56 AM

101. Kick & recommended.

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Response to Mortos (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:30 AM

111. I agree Mortos with

your thoughts and work experiences on this topic. I was googling "Why is Oklahoma a Red State?" after yet another conversation with a client that left my office yesterday. So..I was led to this wonderful website and had to join. I have read through most of the responses on this topic. Even though I have lived in Oklahoma all of my life and no stranger to the (many times) nonsense attitudes that are prevalent, it still somehow baffles me how I can run into so many people whom make lower middle income salaries whom claim to be a Republican party supporter. One of several conclusions I have come to is this...many people are easily persuaded by others whom are in a position of seeming authority and want to be liked by them or be included in a group with them. I understand this from my experience in an advisement to others profession. There are many, many people that are easily misdirected and I have spent countless hours/days/weeks in helping these persons to get repaired from this misguided influence. One client told me he and his wife honestly just followed his pastor's advise about many areas of his life...financial, political, etc because he and his wife respected this person immensely and wanted to be like him, liked by him, and included in his group. They simply chose not to use their critical thinking capability to investigate if the actions they were taking were in "their" best interests. I also have quite a few of my relatives that are on government/taxpayer long-term assistance...social security disability, VA disability. I am not against these programs and agree still to this day that we need programs such as these to help those among our society whom have no other way. What I find amazing is they wouldn't put out a liberals body that is on fire if they had the fire hose. I have had calm conversations with most of them regarding this amazing lack of understanding, however, it's like I was trying to tell them that the world is round..they won't accept it. I am not by any means a political activist type of person, but if the subject comes up, I will tell them EXACTLY what I believe with a smile and continue trying to help and educate those in the state of Oklahoma so they can make better fundamental critical decisions going forward.

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