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Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:34 AM

Gloria Allred. Not what you think.

I'd had pretty much a negative opinion of Gloria Allred until a friend suggested maybe I didn't know enough about her and referred me to this article:

http://www.elle.com/print-this/gloria-allred-the-avenger?page=all

My opinion of her has improved quite a bit. An excerpt:

THE AVENGER
You know her as the lawyer who represented Tiger Woods’ mistresses and the blond allegedly groped by presidential hopeful Herman Cain. But Gloria Allred has also done pioneering work for women’s rights. Is it possible to be a righteous feminist advocate and a celebrity gun for hire?

BY JENNIFER SZALAI

Allred was admitted to the California bar in 1975, which happened to be the year that Time, in its Person of the Year issue, dedicated to American Women. She started a law practice with two classmates from Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, Michael Maroko and Nathan Goldberg, and they began to establish themselves as specialists in civil rights, including the burgeoning fields of gender discrimination and sexual harassment.

In 1980, she successfully sued the L.A. County Sheriff's Department, which had been shackling pregnant inmates while they were in labor. In 1984, Allred filed a case against L.A.'s Catholic Archdiocese on behalf of a woman who was abused by seven priests and had given birth to one of their offspring; 23 years later, she won. Another client had been asked during a job interview about her menstrual cycle; Allred won a settlement after eight years of wrangling.

Her critics point to these early victories and draw a sharp contrast with her later work, wondering why the same attorney would deign to take on plights that seem more like fodder for gossip mags than grave affronts to justice. But Allred doesn't see the discrepancy in such stark terms—if she sees it at all. In her 2007 book, Fight Back and Win, she has a chapter called "Little Things Start Big Changes" in which she describes bringing suit against everyone from a dry cleaner (for charging more to clean women's blouses) to a kids' salon (for charging more for girls' haircuts).

The sheer range of cases is striking. And to each one—whether the client was a victim of rape or a reality-TV experience gone awry—Allred appends an "Empowerment Lesson." (Sample: "Standing up for integrity has its price, but it's one worth paying." Allred seems to have taken "the personal is political" rallying cry of the '70s and run with it, finding both victimization and empowerment wherever she looks.

Indeed, Allred still uses the radical vocabulary of an earlier era. "I'm not an academic. I'm not a philosopher," she told me the first time we met. "I'm in the war zone, I'm on the battlefield. Often, there's going to be blood in the water." She concedes that women are "learning their rights, and they're fighting back," but she doesn't believe things have improved much for women in the four decades since she started practicing law.

If anything, she said, young women are prone to greater disappointment, "because they expect to be treated fairly, to be treated on their merits, not sexually harassed, not beaten, not deprived of their child support. 'It's 2012? I didn't think it was going to happen to me.' They're in shock." When pressed about whether she truly believes the situation is as dire as it's ever been, Allred is unrelenting. "It hasn't gotten better in 36 years," she told me, her brown eyes trained steadily on mine. "There are still wounded on the battlefield, and most of them are called women."

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Reply Gloria Allred. Not what you think. (Original post)
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 OP
MADem Oct 2012 #1
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #5
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #19
MADem Oct 2012 #27
obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #22
polichick Oct 2012 #2
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #6
DURHAM D Oct 2012 #3
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #7
DURHAM D Oct 2012 #11
obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #23
winstars Oct 2012 #4
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #8
winstars Oct 2012 #9
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #33
riverwalker Oct 2012 #10
Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #12
DURHAM D Oct 2012 #13
ananda Oct 2012 #14
Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #15
DURHAM D Oct 2012 #18
Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #32
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #35
obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #24
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #39
MADem Oct 2012 #28
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #36
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #34
Upton Oct 2012 #16
DURHAM D Oct 2012 #17
obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #25
MADem Oct 2012 #31
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #37
NoGOPZone Oct 2012 #41
LeftInTX Oct 2012 #20
obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #26
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #40
obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #21
DCBob Oct 2012 #29
WinkyDink Oct 2012 #30
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #38
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2012 #42

Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 07:51 AM

1. I like her. The reason I like her is because she's a frigging WINNER.

It's "never a dull moment" when she's on the case, too.

When she steps out in front of a client, people back off the client. She did a great job with that girlfriend of the wife murderer Scott Peterson--she just wouldn't allow that young woman to be trashed.

She's also a role model for a vigorous career in one's later years...so what's not to like?

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Response to MADem (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:31 AM

5. Yes, she wins and she's not out there fighting for those who already have scads of money and power.

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Response to MADem (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:52 AM

19. I agree, but, unfortunately she got bamboozled on the Romney divorce testimony

She trusted the Globe to motion to lift the gag order, and they stabbed her in the back. She could have filed the motion herself, but went along with their's. Although Stemberg would have probably objected and it probably would have been drawn out - far past the election, for sure.

I read the testimony. The MR campaign is correct - it's just a bunch of financial mumbo-jumbo and without having someone (Ms. Stemberg) put it in context, it means nothing.

Bet the Globe realized this too and are probably sorry they didn't pursue the gag lift. At least tried.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #19)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:22 AM

27. On the one hand, she got jacked around by the Globe. On the other, she got some publicity/momentum

for her client. All we know about her client is this--the woman is gagged, and she KNEW Mittsy and Annie. She might have some tales to tell. I think there may be some "there" there...who knows?

We do know that Mittsy undervalued the stock. Of course, that's not actionable because OPINION isn't--and he was giving his supposed opinion. However, it could be said that he's a pisspoor businessman if he couldn't tell if his company was any good--it should make anyone worry about his decision-making ability to steward the future of ANY enterprise, never mind the fate of the USA!

I wouldn't trust him to make accurate predictions about the earning power of a farm stand after a great growing season!

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Response to MADem (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:13 AM

22. Her work with Amber Frey helped two women

Frey, and without Frey's testimony, I don't think Lacey Peterson would have gotten legal justice for her murder.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:01 AM

2. Thanks for posting this. It's shocking to me how many women...

...today DON'T expect to be treated better. Seems a lot of women haven't been educating their daughters in this respect. You can imagine how the First Lady teaches Malia and Sasha, by SHOWING and telling - lucky girls!

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Response to polichick (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:34 AM

6. Not only don't expect to be treated better, but are willing to be treated worse! If the RW has its

way, they'll find out why feminists fought to change things from the good old days.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:11 AM

3. Thanks for posting this.

I have seen a staggering amount of ignorant posts trashing her here on DU. It sadly reminds me that the same enemy she is fighting out there is ever present right here.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:38 AM

7. Sorry to say I might have joined in if I hadn't read this article. Thank goodness for good friends

who help me see when I'm wrong. Here's hoping the article will win over some members of the enemy within.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:09 AM

11. I would like to add -

that Gloria was an Obama supporter and delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte. She was not in the VIP section. She was on the floor with the California delegation like a regular person.

So when I see all the guys that post nasty comments about her on DU I always silently ask myself "What have you done to re-elect the President? What have you contributed to the local/state Democratic party? What have you done to support the disenfranchised?" The answer is obvious.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:15 AM

23. I have been attacked many times for defending and praising Allred

It pisses me off.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:17 AM

4. Thanks for posting this also. My nightmare is that I am arrested and go to court and she is the DA!

I'd be copping a plea so fast.. LOL

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Response to winstars (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:40 AM

8. I definitely would not bet against her.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:51 AM

9. Welcome to posting here on DU, long time reader, new poster, cool!

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Response to winstars (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:26 PM

33. Thank you! Yeah, it's weird to be perceived as "new" when I feel like I've been here for ages. I had

plenty of replies, its just none of you could see them!

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:05 AM

10. thank you

for saying what needed to be said.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:11 AM

12. I've always been ok w/her. She is ego and news driven, but so what? But...if she were Republican....

people in this forum would hate her just for that.

She's okay, whether she's a Democrat (which it looks like she is) or a Republican. I base my opinion on seeing her around in the news and on TV for a couple of decades.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:34 AM

13. You said -

"She is ego and news driven..." You assigned to her a negative motive for her life's work. WTF.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #13)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:36 AM

14. We don't care how our allies and champions look!

If any person contradicts sexism, I am happy.. and I don't care how they look or how they do it!

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #13)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:22 AM

15. Yes, that is my opinion. Did you ever see her on the Morton Downey Show? That's where I 1st saw her.

She was a regular guest. She was a good sport. But over the years, she has developed a reputation for integrating herself in high profile news cases...not necessarily justifiable cases that weren't big in the news...and her first order of business is to go on TV. She is, like most successful people, ego-driven.

That may be a negative to you. I did not say it was a negative, though, did I? In fact, I said that was ok.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:46 AM

18. Again, you have assigned motives to her.

Do you actually know her?

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #18)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:08 PM

32. Yes. That is called "opinion." It is based on observation of her over her public appearances over 25

yrs.

You have your opinion. I have mine. What's your problem with people having an opinion? I didn't even say it was a negative. You seem to have a beef with my terminology. Weird. Don't you have better things to worry about?

You didn't answer my question. She was a regular on the Morton Downey show in the 1980s. That's how she got famous. Did you see her on that show? That show was the pre-cursor to the Jerry Springer Show, some say. That was the general style of it, except it was on in the evenings.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:36 PM

35. Can you give some examples of the cases you question the justification for? Did you read

the article I posted? If not, please do if you get a chance. I think you will see what she feels her justification is for most of her cases.

As for the publicity-seeking, well, also part of her winning strategy. We're inclined to find that unseemly, especially in a woman, but I think that's because we've been conditioned by society's misogyny and that often that technique is used for unseemly ends. I think she is using it for good.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:16 AM

24. She is a long time and passionate advocate for women and their rights

Why would any liberal trash her?

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #24)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 04:06 PM

39. We're susceptible to society's subtle and no-so-subtle misogynistic and authoritarian

indoctrination.

We can't be well informed on every issue, and so we sometimes rely on the chatter. Even after all the times I found they were wrong, even having had liberal views on most things ever since I can remember, I still fall for that crap on occasion. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

Is it any wonder the "conservatives" fall for it?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:30 AM

28. What some call "ego and news driven" others might call confident, savvy and willing to

use the media to gain advantage for her client.

The reason she could never be confused with a Republican is because they don't fight for women...they usually fight with them, or against them!

She's most definitely a long-term Dem with impeccable social justice credentials, and was a delegate to the convention this year.

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Response to MADem (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:39 PM

36. If I'd read this before I replied (#35), I could have left out most of my words. Well put!

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:29 PM

34. "Hate her just for that" meaning being an R or being an ego driven female?

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:26 AM

16. Crystal Mangum anyone?

I wonder if the families of the Duke lacrosse team members feel as favorably towards Allred as you do?

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Response to Upton (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:44 AM

17. I don't recall Gloria being involved in that matter -

Last edited Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:31 PM - Edit history (1)

except, of course, in all the breathless right wing internet huffing.

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Response to Upton (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:20 AM

25. Allred was not an attorney on that case

Mike Nifong was the DA.

Allred is not a DA or Assistant DA in Durham County, NC.

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Response to Upton (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:37 AM

31. What does Gloria Allred have to do with that case? That person's interests were represented by a

prosecutor looking to gain advantage for re-election. I think you need to retract your comment, there.

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Response to Upton (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:43 PM

37. Please proceed, Upton.

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Response to Upton (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 04:20 PM

41. Even on DU, I'm used to seeing Mangum name brought up for no apparent reason

but you've set a new standard.

P.S.

Allred represented Nicole Brown Simpson's family. Fell better now?

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:09 AM

20. Does everyone know her daughter? Lisa Bloom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Bloom

Lisa Bloom (born September 20, 1961) is an American civil rights attorney, best known as anchor of Lisa Bloom: Open Court – a two-hour live legal news program – on truTv's IN SESSION, formerly Court TV, from 2001 to 2009.
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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #20)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:21 AM

26. She also does pro bono work for the disadvantaged

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #20)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 04:08 PM

40. The first I'd heard of her was in that article. Looks like Gloria did a good job raising her!

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:12 AM

21. Allred has been fighting for women's right for decades

Her firm also does a huge amount of pro bono work for disadvantaged women.

She is one of the "good guys."

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:30 AM

29. She's kind of like a Robin Hood / "V" for vendetta for women rights.

I like her too.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:30 AM

30. What's this "you," OP?

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #30)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:54 PM

38. The "you" refers to those of "you" who have and/or have been posting negative opinions of Allred.

Also, it's a common expression and so good for a title. If you are offended because that "you " isn't you, perhaps you want to say something supportive about her rather than becoming sidelined by a common turn of phrase.

If that "you" is you, then I was referring to you and was hoping you might read the article and reconsider. Not that complicated, really.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #30)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 02:09 AM

42. Since you haven't responded, I'll assume my reply allayed your fears that I was talking about

"You people," ala Queen Romney. : )

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