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Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:57 AM

 

DC Bill looks to ban bacon from people in hospitals.

https://lims.dccouncil.us/Legislation/B24-0660

With this legislation, the District would build on its legacy of improving nutritional requirements in institutional settings by requiring hospitals to serve healthy foods and beverages to patients, staff, and visitors. Meals available at the hospital would need to include a variety of healthy foods, including vegetarian and 100% plant-based meals, and meals that are low in saturated fat, sodium, and added sugars.

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Really... is this the kind of thing we ought to be focused on? Regulating vending machines in hospitals and outlawing pork products for hospice patients (and thier visitors)?

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Reply DC Bill looks to ban bacon from people in hospitals. (Original post)
cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 OP
AnyFunctioningAdult Feb 2022 #1
elleng Feb 2022 #2
MLAA Feb 2022 #3
iemanja Feb 2022 #4
cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 #6
SharonClark Feb 2022 #8
DFW Feb 2022 #27
dsc Feb 2022 #35
DFW Feb 2022 #38
dsc Feb 2022 #43
DFW Feb 2022 #47
bahboo Feb 2022 #5
LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #17
JanMichael Feb 2022 #23
cinematicdiversions Mar 2022 #48
DFW Feb 2022 #39
flvegan Feb 2022 #7
ret5hd Feb 2022 #16
SharonClark Feb 2022 #9
struggle4progress Feb 2022 #10
Hekate Feb 2022 #11
JHB Feb 2022 #26
Hekate Feb 2022 #42
NJCher Feb 2022 #12
Disaffected Feb 2022 #13
Raine Feb 2022 #14
malaise Feb 2022 #19
denbot Feb 2022 #15
betsuni Feb 2022 #18
Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #25
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2022 #20
LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #22
Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #24
CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #31
eShirl Feb 2022 #21
DFW Feb 2022 #28
DenaliDemocrat Feb 2022 #29
cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 #30
Amishman Feb 2022 #34
DenaliDemocrat Feb 2022 #45
CrackityJones75 Feb 2022 #32
cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 #33
panader0 Feb 2022 #36
Coventina Feb 2022 #37
MineralMan Feb 2022 #40
Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2022 #41
Renew Deal Feb 2022 #44
Voltaire2 Feb 2022 #46

Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:01 AM

1. What nanny state nonsense

NT

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:06 AM

2. Not a big deal, imo, except for those who want to complain. :

'implement a 2017 resolution passed by the American Medical Association that calls on U.S. hospitals to improve the health of patients, staff, and visitors by providing plant-based meals, removing processed meat such as bacon and hot dogs, and serving healthful beverages.'

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:09 AM

3. I'm all for it.

Husband had bypass surgery and it was nearly impossible to get him healthy food at the hospital. And I ate the same tired veggie burger for lunch often during his nearly 4 week stay.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:10 AM

4. Most hospitals already do that

I don't think it's so unusual.

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Response to iemanja (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:14 AM

6. I have no issue with it being a hospital rule.

 

I just think the city has no place in regulating hospital meals and vending machines.

If the hospital themselves want to do it, I say go for it.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:23 AM

8. Well said.

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Response to iemanja (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:24 AM

27. It sure is unusual in Germany.

After I had my stents put in, the cardiologist had my wife in and went though my new diet, starting immediately. Full stop to ANY red meat, as all of it is high in the bad (LDL) cholesterol. This was in the morning. For lunch was roast beef.

Ha, ha, sehr witzig. Nothing like treating the recommendation of their own doctors like a joke to be ignored.

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Response to DFW (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:12 AM

35. right after my heart cath I had sullsberry steak

which isn't even a favorite of mine to be honest. It was the better of the two options they had. Left to my own devices I am a pretty rare red meat eater and now I am cutting it pretty much completely.

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Response to dsc (Reply #35)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:31 AM

38. When I had my first big operation in Germany, the hospital served leftovers from WWII POW camps

Or so it seemed. It was awful. It was in Erlangen, way down south in Bavaria. My wife came down to visit, and with the help of the wife of my roomie, a local, went out and brought back in a Chinese feast. A couple of nurses happened by while we were pigging out, and their eyes nearly popped out of their head. Real food! In a HOSPITAL!! Das ist ein SKANDAL!!

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Response to DFW (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:09 AM

43. wow

I have to say my food was very good, I was pleasantly surprised. I only had 3 meals (one dinner, one breakfast, and one lunch) but all three were actually pretty good.

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Response to dsc (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:15 PM

47. Every time I've been in a hospital in Germany

The food was such that fasting was an attractive alternative.

The last time my wife was in for escaping “the murderer,” she was in for nearly a month, recovering from a brutal 6 hour operation, and waiting for the results of the 84 biopsies they took (all negative, surgeon said first time he’d ever seen that after a “the murderer” diagnosis). After two weeks of hospital food, my wife beseeched me to find a Thai place and bring her a spicy papaya salad, even though as he was told to lay off spicy food for a while. She said that after two weeks of eating cardboard and cotton, she would take her chances. So far, she has survived, and that was over five years ago.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:12 AM

5. instead of talking about banning unhealthy food...

why not talk about promoting healthy food. Make it the primary choice...

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Response to bahboo (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 05:59 AM

17. Because Nannies don't promote choice, they like to force it.

 

Giving healthy as an option means people could make a choice the Nannies don’t agree with; and that is unacceptable to authoritarians.

“You make the choices WE want you to make peon!!!”

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Response to LiberatedUSA (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 08:17 AM

23. A hospital isn't a restaurant. Want choices go to Chili's.

Want a stent go to a hospital.

I can also see the hospital and the insurance company is saying you've got a captive audience in a hospital; the workers.

Since a good number of the people in the hospital are there because of their s***** diet I can understand the independent entity saying we're not going to contribute to that. If you want to barbecue sandwich go to the barbecue restaurant.

And the weird use of nannies here throws me off a little bit. Why the f*** do people go to hospitals in the first place? Because they need help. Unless of course like that character in a Little shop of horrors that goes to the dentist because it feels good.

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Response to LiberatedUSA (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:07 AM

48. You could not be more correct.

 

Choice is fine as long as only the right approved choices are available. Dissent will be brutally shamed.

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Response to bahboo (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:32 AM

39. Promotoing healthy food?

In a HOSPITAL?? Are you nuts? You are going against a century-old international tradition, here.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:18 AM

7. Oh yes. This might easily

turn into my favorite DU thread in a long time.

I wish you many responses and much discussion.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 05:34 AM

16. Give us your thoughts on...

bacon consumption while breastfeeding and/or performing a circumcision. Please…I think it will be an important addition to this topic!

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:25 AM

9. Oh, oh. Fumble mouth Chuck Grassley will whine

about this all over Iowa.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:28 AM

10. But what if I get the munchies while smoking a doobie in my ICU room?

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:29 AM

11. In a hospital? Why not? When I had my surgery 2 years ago my diet was closely regulated...

… to an extent that kind of surprised me. And it was all tasty, too.

When I had an emergency appendectomy 25 years ago and was deathly ill, I understood the jello and broth the first 2 days, but after that it was really bad — like slap two slices of white bread on the tray with a macaroni meal kind of bad.

As for what “we” are focusing on — what “we” is this? It’s not the US House and Senate, am I right? It’s the City of Washington DC, or did I read that wrong?



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Response to Hekate (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:04 AM

26. The issue is lawmakers interjecting themselves in medical matters and micromanaging

Nobody has a problem with the hospital or hospice determining their nutritional guidelines.

But this is legislation submitted to a city council. Why does the hospital need their input (or, if it passes, requirements). And what precedents does it set for other medical matters?

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Response to JHB (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:00 AM

42. That I can agree with

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 01:44 AM

12. Yes, we should be focused on this

Meat eating is a major contributor to global climate change.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 02:10 AM

13. Makes sense to me.

I spent time in hospital getting a stent - had side effects from the meds (probably the Lipitor) so spent two weeks there. The food was "healthy" I guess but I'm willing to bet there was not a single molecule of sodium chloride in the entire ward and finding fat in the food would also be a challenge. As a result, the food was flat, bland and favourless. About the only things that tasted any good at all were ketchup in the packets and custard in the prepackaged cups. White bread and butter were also verboten and absent.

So, on my last night there, I asked if it would be OK to order something in from Uber Eats and to my surprise the nurse said OK. I ordered a Big Mac and 20 minutes later it was delivered right to my bed side! Nobody said anything about it but I cannot help but think what the nurses might have been thinking.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 02:13 AM

14. They should if the care about health

pork is not healthy it's one of the worst, meat is not healthy in general.

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Response to Raine (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:06 AM

19. I don't eat red meat or pork but that's a personal choice

That said, isn’t bacon full of salt - and how is that good for sick people?

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 02:30 AM

15. I guess some feel it's justification for the R's to take D.C. self rule away if they win.

That would be handy in the next Inserection. I'm sure the OP has other reasons to pump that meme here though..

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 05:59 AM

18. Nobody else thought, oh of course making bacon from people should be banned?

Okay.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 08:53 AM

25. LOL! Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:07 AM

20. Are you a resident of the District of Columbia?

 

and if so, are you planning on being in hospital, anytime soon?

If the answer to both of those questions is "no", then I am at a loss as to why you care about this.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:32 AM

22. I am glad you feel that way.

 

Some places have banned plastic bags and that works for them. Where I live you can get them at the grocery store; which I love as I need a large collection of them for dog messes.

It might work in those places, but not here. I am so glad I won’t hear you complaining I can still have a plastic bag; as you won’t be planning on living in my area anyway.

I like your view of:

“Don’t live there? Then not your problem.”

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Response to LiberatedUSA (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 08:48 AM

24. They sell biodegradable bags for dog messes. Not very expensive at all and they

won't still be polluting the earth in a thousand years in the form of microplastics that make their way into every food and water source.


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Response to LiberatedUSA (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:59 AM

31. You don't need to bag shit for 300 years.

 

Seriously. Someday there is going to be an alien life form that is going to visit us after we destroy ourselves and they are going to wonder why we preserved dog shit in bags for hundreds of years.


Biodegradable bags.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 06:18 AM

21. Our local hospital uses a catering service and the food is quite good (fresh) for a hospital.

My late husband would always get the lobster roll once a day during his stays.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:29 AM

28. Although I love lobster rolls

i think if my cardiologists saw me eating one after either of my heart "incidents," they would have handed me a pistol, and said, "here, try this. It's quicker."

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:32 AM

29. If I'm receiving palliative care and I want bacon

I should be allowed to eat bacon

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Response to DenaliDemocrat (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 09:53 AM

30. Well this is the rub of course.

 

As I said, I have no issues with hospitals passing such rules for themselves.

But what possible business is it of the city if the sweet roll is vegan or the salt content of the mashed potatoes.

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Response to DenaliDemocrat (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:10 AM

34. or simply if your medical issue is not diet related

If I'm in for back surgery, if I want a piece or two of bacon for breakfast or in a sandwich, that shouldn't be a problem. It is absolutely possible to include a small amount of bacon as part of an overall healthy meal. My lunch from a few days ago was a good example; smoked chicken lunch meat with two pieces of bacon and some pepperjack cheese and a dash of chipotle hot sauce, on a wheat roll. I had home made apple chips with it.

This is a load of crap and a waste of time and resources.

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Response to Amishman (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:02 PM

45. It's also the kind of shit they mock us for

And they are kind of right to do it. I already have a mom, I don’t need someone else acting in her stead

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:01 AM

32. Why do we pick loser issues like this?

 

Seriously. Let the hospitals set their guidelines. Why do we give them talking points like this?

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:05 AM

33. Because some of us cannot help themselves.

 

It is really one of the biggest issues progressives have. See also the San Francisco school board recall. Different issues, same attitude.,

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:18 AM

36. I like my bacon, but some people are in the hospital because of bacon.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:22 AM

37. I am pro-ANYTHING that reduces the number of pigs slaughtered. n/t

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:34 AM

40. No, I'm not EVEN going to bite on this bait.

Nope...

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 10:40 AM

41. Cut to video of Ted Cruz frying bacon wrapped around the muzzle of an assault rifle...

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 11:18 AM

44. People are dying and they can't have bacon?

No bacon might kill them sooner from draining the remaining joy from life.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Feb 16, 2022, 12:15 PM

46. Hospitals serving healthy food? WTF?

Next they will ban smoking in hospitals. This is insane.

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