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Samrob

(4,298 posts)
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:18 AM Feb 2022

I don't want to be attacked as a conspiracy nut but my mind flashes back to the WH visit

of the Russians to Trump. We couldn't see inside except for the media photos and videos allowed by Trump but I was alarmed then and even more so now. Just how much was our Intel and security compromised during that visit? We all know that at the time Trump was busing maligning NATO and the US, for that matter. He was involved in a "love affair" with KIM and was touting Putin as his hero leader. Where were these men allowed to go within the confines of the WH, were they always accompanied by secret service?

Putin's moves now around Ukraine make me nervous that Putin knows so much more about our military, readiness, and Trump sympathizers among the ranks (thinking about Flynn). Trump is certainly ignorant enough to have promised and revealed more than just the bathroom codes.

I don't believe that military weapons alone is enough to alarm Putin. I think we would need to pull out all stops with our NATO allies joining us and shutdown Putin money stream and those of his supporters. We are going to have immediate pain from that but long term what do we think we could live with? Looks like France is willing for another revolution. What are we preparing for?

Based on what we know about who the Jan6 insurrectionists were, has our military, law enforcement, and intel communities been infiltrated in numbers that would make them turn against us? How many in the Senate have been irreversibly turned?

My nephew who works for one of those entities has alarmed me with his speculations.

OK, please walk me back.

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I don't want to be attacked as a conspiracy nut but my mind flashes back to the WH visit (Original Post) Samrob Feb 2022 OP
His money stream is definitely at risk. Cracklin Charlie Feb 2022 #1
I think the videos and photos came from Russian "media", Ilsa Feb 2022 #2
Tass, the Russian news agency Alice Kramden Feb 2022 #4
No US media was allowed in that meeting. whathehell Feb 2022 #5
The question is why Republicans would think that was okay. nt Ilsa Feb 2022 #6
It was probably something promised in return for all the cash that poured in from Russia. MrsCoffee Feb 2022 #9
Of course, and perhsps just as importantly, why whathehell Feb 2022 #13
A clue may have been the Republican trip to Moscow - 7/4/17. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2022 #15
The clues were staring the media in the face. Ilsa Feb 2022 #16
And that was at the beginning of his presidency PatSeg Feb 2022 #18
Yes.. whathehell Feb 2022 #23
And if a U.S. President can get away with that, PatSeg Feb 2022 #24
I remember Rebl2 Feb 2022 #19
It is a reasonable to assume Trump passed info to the Russians. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #3
We don't have to assume... sop Feb 2022 #21
Yep. And wasn't the only time he did it. Irish_Dem Feb 2022 #22
I think of the July 4 trip by all the republiQan Congress people to Russia. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #7
Nowadays, there is not much that is unknown about military in various countries. Hoyt Feb 2022 #8
Тяцмp undoubtedly passed secrets to Russia. He did so ... Whiskeytide Feb 2022 #10
You're not imagining things. Kid Berwyn Feb 2022 #11
Hardly in the "conspiracy nut" category... Wounded Bear Feb 2022 #12
I freely admit I am a "conspiracy nut" and I have no interest in walking you back. Midnight Writer Feb 2022 #14
Trump made it clear almost from day one BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #17
And the meeting in Helsinki... japple Feb 2022 #20

Ilsa

(61,633 posts)
2. I think the videos and photos came from Russian "media",
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:23 AM
Feb 2022

weren't they? No US press allowed into the Oval while Lavrov planted his bugs.

MrsCoffee

(5,799 posts)
9. It was probably something promised in return for all the cash that poured in from Russia.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:46 AM
Feb 2022

Not so much that they thought it was okay, but they thought they would get away with it.

And they did.

whathehell

(28,883 posts)
13. Of course, and perhsps just as importantly, why
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 11:19 AM
Feb 2022

didn't the Media jump on it when it happened?

I remember being baffled about both at the time.

OAITW r.2.0

(23,206 posts)
15. A clue may have been the Republican trip to Moscow - 7/4/17.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 11:31 AM
Feb 2022

Why would a large delegation of Republicans be visiting Putin on July 4th? I'm guessing the Russians had all of the RNC's internal correspondence on various compromised Republicans and that visit was a mandatory exercise demanded by Putin. Show up or we released the emails....

PatSeg

(46,286 posts)
18. And that was at the beginning of his presidency
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 01:01 PM
Feb 2022

As always, he told us who he was from the very beginning.

Rebl2

(13,082 posts)
19. I remember
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 01:10 PM
Feb 2022

that US press not allowed in. That should have been a big flashing red light right there. As for planting bugs, they would have swept the oval before Biden came in. I would not be surprised if they didn’t do that when tfg was still in office while he was away from the White House on one of many golfing trips to Mara largo or one of his many trips out of town, but who knows.

Irish_Dem

(44,373 posts)
3. It is a reasonable to assume Trump passed info to the Russians.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:25 AM
Feb 2022

And we also have had sitting US Congress critters making the pilgrimage to Moscow.

Anybody who took money or favors from Putin had to give something in return. And it was not MAGA hats.

sop

(9,670 posts)
21. We don't have to assume...
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 01:14 PM
Feb 2022

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump disclosed highly classified information to Russia’s foreign minister about a planned Islamic State operation, two U.S. officials said on Monday, plunging the White House into another controversy just months into Trump’s short tenure in office.

The intelligence, shared at a meeting last week with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak, was supplied by a U.S. ally in the fight against the militant group, both officials with knowledge of the situation said."

Scrivener7

(50,415 posts)
7. I think of the July 4 trip by all the republiQan Congress people to Russia.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:42 AM
Feb 2022

We weren't allowed to know what that was about either.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. Nowadays, there is not much that is unknown about military in various countries.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:43 AM
Feb 2022

Assuming Russia invades Ukraine, trump will say it wouldn't have happened under his watch. Some fools will believe it.

Whiskeytide

(4,452 posts)
10. Тяцмp undoubtedly passed secrets to Russia. He did so ...
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:50 AM
Feb 2022

… either because he’s compromised, or because he’s stupid about issues relating to foreign policy. Or perhaps some of both.

Someone above said the real question is why are republicans ok with Тяцмp‘s relationship with Putin? And someone else noted that you don’t take $ or favors from Putin without giving something back in return. It doesn’t take a stable genius to realize that’s the answer to the question.

Kid Berwyn

(14,334 posts)
11. You're not imagining things.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:52 AM
Feb 2022
In the Oval Office in the merry month of May 2017

President Trump gestures to Russia's ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak, as he speaks to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in the Oval Office on Wednesday, May 10, 2017. (Alexander Shcherbak/TASS/Getty Images)

“I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job," Trump said, according to The Times. "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off.”



"I'm not under investigation," he added.

Sources:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/10/527755991/trump-meets-with-russias-lavrov-at-the-white-house-today

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-nut-job-james-comey-russia-2017-5

Wounded Bear

(58,235 posts)
12. Hardly in the "conspiracy nut" category...
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 10:56 AM
Feb 2022

I think all truly patriotic Americans were concerned about that meeting.

Midnight Writer

(21,325 posts)
14. I freely admit I am a "conspiracy nut" and I have no interest in walking you back.
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 11:20 AM
Feb 2022

I hope more people wake up and smell the coffee.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
17. Trump made it clear almost from day one
Sat Feb 12, 2022, 11:53 AM
Feb 2022

He has nothing but contempt for democracy. He made clear his blatant admiration of strong arm dictators and ended his shame filled term in office by trying to violently overthrow our democracy by force. It would be no surprise if he operated back channels with at least Russia, China, and North Korea. Just look at what we know from America’s pitiful press.

Now imagine what we don’t know about his dictatorial plans… Conspiracy nut? Not bloody likely.

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