Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:29 AM

Playing connect the dots, Ukraine.

[link:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-withdraw-almost-12-000-troops-germany-sweeping-reorganization-n1235164|
I feel, once again, that the MSM is letting us down by not reporting fully, all of the relative issues about this build up of Russian forces around Ukraine.
It was in 2019 that the Russian asset, tRump, met with Putin, of which details were kept away from the public.
It was but a few months later that it was put into action the removal of American forces from Germany, under the guise of not contributing to NATO, or something like that.
I am not one to follow conspiracy and take into consideration that Putin is very intelligent, with experience to plan far ahead and then there is tRump, who should have, say more "direct supervision".
I don't think that I am far off base to think that the removal of our troops, back then and, the current Russian actions, are connected.

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Playing connect the dots, Ukraine. (Original post)	RickHworth	Feb 2022	OP
Just think Rick	gab13by13	Feb 2022	#1
Further down the hole...	lark	Feb 2022	#2
Biden cut off the briefings last year.	lagomorph777	Feb 2022	#3
It's connected. Probably a task meant to show commitment. Nt	Baked Potato	Feb 2022	#4
If that was the case	sarisataka	Feb 2022	#5
A point of disagreement	RickHworth	Feb 2022	#8
All we need do is recall the Helsinki debacle	peggysue2	Feb 2022	#6
Trump/Manafort/Michael Flynn all betrayed the U.S. in Russia's favor. nt	oasis	Feb 2022	#7
Trump and Putin didn't talk about the weather for two hours in Helsinki	dalton99a	Feb 2022	#9

Response to RickHworth (Original post)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:02 AM

gab13by13 (15,527 posts)

1. Just think Rick

Trump is still getting intelligence briefings.

Putin's goal is to overturn democracies across the world. He detests having Ukraine become a real democracy, I say real which means minus the Russian corruption and influence. Putin has mounted this aggression in the hopes that it would fracture NATO. President Biden has done a fantastic job keeping NATO united, keeping our European allies united.

Now president Biden, Malcolm Nance is in Ukraine right now and his message from the Ukraine military is to send more anti-tank missiles. Arming Ukraine to the teeth may be the best means to keep the peace.

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Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:56 AM

lark (22,180 posts)

2. Further down the hole...

Wondering if drumpf took the boxes so Putin's folks could take copies of everything before it was discovered and drumpf gave it back? That's my current thought process about this.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 11, 2022, 11:00 AM

lagomorph777 (30,613 posts)

3. Biden cut off the briefings last year.

That said, I do agree that Putin laid the ground work for his planned Ukraine invasion with the help of Trump.

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Fri Feb 11, 2022, 03:07 PM

Baked Potato (7,355 posts)

4. It's connected. Probably a task meant to show commitment. Nt

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Fri Feb 11, 2022, 03:18 PM

sarisataka (15,449 posts)

5. If that was the case

Why would Russia wait three years to move in?

A very intelligent person would make his move when his primary enemy is under incompetent leadership.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 12, 2022, 01:22 AM

RickHworth (88 posts)

8. A point of disagreement

The best time to attack is when your enemy is weakened, especially from within.
How my generation eliminated the Soviet Union.

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Fri Feb 11, 2022, 03:24 PM

peggysue2 (9,767 posts)

6. All we need do is recall the Helsinki debacle

The off-the-record conversations between Putin and the Former Guy, the submissive behavior of Herr Drumpf. Then the subsequent speeches: pull our military from Europe, disband NATO, yada, yada.

All this so he could fulfill his dream of building his lousy hotels in Moscow and cover up whatever Putin had on his fat ass.

Ukraine was no doubt on Herr Drumpf's 'to-do' list per orders from the Kremlin.

Illegitimate WH occupant and Traitor from Day 1.

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Fri Feb 11, 2022, 03:35 PM

oasis (48,809 posts)

7. Trump/Manafort/Michael Flynn all betrayed the U.S. in Russia's favor. nt

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Sat Feb 12, 2022, 01:49 AM

dalton99a (74,328 posts)

9. Trump and Putin didn't talk about the weather for two hours in Helsinki

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