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Sun Jan 23, 2022, 09:05 PM

 

Detroit man charged with setting pregnant girlfriend on fire released on 5k bail payment.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/detroit-man-charged-with-setting-pregnant-girlfriend-on-fire-released-bail-was-50k-or-10


DETROIT (FOX 2) - When a Detroit man was charged with dousing his pregnant girlfriend with lighter fluid and then burning over 60% of her body, his bond was set at just $50,000 or 10%, meaning he could bond out for as low as $5,000. Two days after the charges were filed, he did exactly that.

Devonne Marsh was released from the Wayne County Jail Friday morning. According to documents with the jail, he was released from custody just before 11:20 a.m. on Friday. He's now out on bond with multiple conditions including no weapons, no drug use, and is ordered not to go to their shared apartment.

More than 60% of her body was burned in the fire and she was last listed in critical condition. It's not yet known if her babies will survive.

After Marsh was charged, there was a concern that he would be released due to the low bond necessary to grant his release.

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I know low and no bail are very popular around here but it is a horrible issue. Much like defund the police with a dramatically rising crime rate, this is neither the time nor place for bail reform for people who try to kill woman. See also the Christmas parade massacre guy

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Reply Detroit man charged with setting pregnant girlfriend on fire released on 5k bail payment. (Original post)
cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 OP
Buddy2 Jan 2022 #1
sheshe2 Jan 2022 #3
Walleye Jan 2022 #2
Skittles Jan 2022 #4
cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #7
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cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #10
Skittles Jan 2022 #13
cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #17
mzmolly Jan 2022 #22
Skittles Jan 2022 #25
cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #32
Skittles Jan 2022 #33
mzmolly Jan 2022 #14
Skittles Jan 2022 #15
mzmolly Jan 2022 #18
Skittles Jan 2022 #26
mzmolly Jan 2022 #30
cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #20
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cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #23
mzmolly Jan 2022 #28
cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #29
mzmolly Jan 2022 #31
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Hekate Jan 2022 #24
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cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #8
The Magistrate Jan 2022 #34
mzmolly Jan 2022 #11

Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 09:10 PM

1. He should be in jail.

 

I am newer here but reading.
I don’t understand the low bail argument for people like this. This is monstrous behavior.

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Response to Buddy2 (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 09:38 PM

3. I agree with you.

He lit a pregnant woman ON FIRE! He should be in jail.

Welcome to DU, Buddy.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 09:10 PM

2. Years ago a guy in my town hit a woman over the head with a telephone

He was released the next day on $500 bail. Promptly went home and murdered her. I was so pissed, did they ever stop to think why he hit her with the telephone. Calling for help no doubt

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 09:42 PM

4. please explain your comments

who exactly would celebrate low bail for this crime?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 09:48 PM

7. There are plenty of well meaning activists promoting low or no bail.

 

Including some of our current congresswoman and many organizations.

It is a cause célèbre that has. In my opinion, backfired spectacularly.

This is not about "Right wing talking points" plenty of democrats are against releasing potentially dangerous people back into society. The loud contingent on twitter and in social justice spaces unfortunatly have promoted an issue that really does hurt us at the ballot box.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 09:51 PM

9. absolutely NO ONE would want low bail for THIS guy

NO ONE

and shitty stuff happens more because of misogyny than by what a certain "party" is prone to

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Response to Skittles (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 09:57 PM

10. I feel what you are saying but by definition that turned out not to be true.

 

The Christmas parade massacre guy ran over his girlfriend and was out on what a $1000 bail? Clearly the assistant DA's have their marching orders.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:05 PM

13. curious why you are singling out POC

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Response to Skittles (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:11 PM

17. I am not. I assure you if a white person set a pregnant woman on fire and watched her burn

 

I would have been just as happy to post the exact same OP.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:29 PM

22. Feel free to

post the following, when concerned about our justice system in the future: https://www.themarysue.com/rich-white-man-no-jail-for-rape/

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:37 PM

25. you mentioned two offenders, both POC

just as happy? yeah OK

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Response to Skittles (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 11:03 PM

32. Okay here you go

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216280497

Why is this man free on 20k bond. Why is he even allowed in the country?


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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #32)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 11:10 PM

33. maybe you could have used him as your second example!

live and learn

OVER AND OUT!

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:05 PM

14. Such as?

Who is promoting low or no bail?

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:06 PM

15. I know it is a widely-held rightwing belief

you know, we libs just don't want criminals locked up

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Response to Skittles (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:12 PM

18. Yes. That does seem to be a repetitive

talking point, from the full of bullshit (but no ideas) party.

Democrats want people to pay their fair share of taxes so we can maintain a civilized society. That includes keeping people who are a danger to others, off the streets.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:37 PM

26. and THEY are always fine with the Zimmermans and Rittenhouses

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Response to Skittles (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:48 PM

30. They sure are.

Poor fellas were only defending themselves, after pointing loaded weapons at unarmed teenagers and the like.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:27 PM

21. You're taking the desire for reform

out of context.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/29/982417595/california-does-away-with-cash-bail-for-those-who-cant-afford-it

...presumptively innocent people in California can no longer be jailed while awaiting trial solely because they are unable to pay money bail

In states that have eliminated cash bail, the example you noted would be an exception:

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2019/09/10/cash-bail-ending-in-new-york-in-2020-what-could-it-look-like

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:33 PM

23. I don't disagree in theory disagree but that is the problem.

 

As it has been implemented we end up with idiots like this one back on the street, gangs of shoplifters terrorizing the public released the next day and lots of other examples.

The reality is that the DA and the judges are letting to many suspected criminals right back into the same neighborhoods they have been terrorizing. and to often it is the poor and minorities who pay the price with thier lives for these feel good measures.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:44 PM

28. 1. Michigan has not eliminated

cash bail.

2 the DA has increased the charges, citing new evidence.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2022/01/20/detroit-man-charged-kidnapping-assaulting-woman/6603132001/?fbclid=IwAR0Vvp_KSAr458cvX5HiocczqvW67kK4iO9kucXP7zfAsf1_b0KLUEIpeow

Marsh is in custody and faces arraignment at 10:30 a.m. Monday at 36th District Court through Zoom, the prosecutor's office said.


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Response to mzmolly (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:46 PM

29. Good: I am glad the publicity surrounding this has led to new charges.

 

The issue here was not no bail of course (His bail was set at 50k.) but the fact the bail was set so low considering how horrific the crime was.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:50 PM

31. The judge didn't have all the facts

when setting bail (initially) as I understand it. Presumably after the victim has been interviewed, more is known.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:41 PM

27. criminals walking the streets?

like Zimmerman and Rittenhouse?

I could really go on, too

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Response to Skittles (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:35 PM

24. Ta, Skittles. Now I know why the comment in the OP seemed familiar. nt

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Response to Skittles (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:04 PM

12. Thank you.

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Response to mzmolly (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:10 PM

16. diversion, indeed

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Response to Skittles (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:13 PM

19. .

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 09:43 PM

5. Yeah, and I'm sure he will abide by those "multiple conditions". This should have been a no-bail

offense IMHO.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 09:45 PM

6. These judges need to held accountable.

This is just not how the system is supposed to work. Is there an overview board or some accountability for these people?

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Response to Deuxcents (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 09:49 PM

8. The problem is when you a a district attorney who is broadly against holding people without bail.

 

This can often be the result.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 24, 2022, 12:05 AM

34. If This Were A Common Result, Sir

The news feeds would be flooded with accounts of such atrocities. They are not. Thousands each day are given recognizance bonds, or low cash amounts. Some certainly do manage to get arrested while out on bond, but even that is not the usual outcome.

Bail is to ensure appearance at court, not to keep someone confined while he or she is, legally, innocent of the crime with which they are charged. A judge certainly can consider potential danger to the community, but that is the last, not the first consideration.

Bail is set by the judge, the policy of a district attorney does not and cannot bind a judge's decision. If the state's attorney asks for low bail, the judge can still set it high, and vice versa.

There is no statistical evidence that the policies of district attorneys regarding bail or prosecution of nuisance offenses have any effect on rates of crime, nor its severity.

There certainly are honest arguments to be made against a more lenient policy, but the one you are trying here is neither honest nor of any appreciable weight.

I do think the judge made an error here, the case is one I personally would be inclined to settle with a gas can and a matchbook, but I am not the law....

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Sun Jan 23, 2022, 10:03 PM

11. Low and no bail are very popular around here?

That's news to me.

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