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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA "Car Accident Attorney" horror story
Alice was in a bad T-bone accident (not her fault) and called one of these "in a wreck? call us" attorneys
immediately even before the police showed up. So they show up at the hospital with papers to sign while
she's heavily sedated within hours and one of the papers was something to the effect that she was fine
and was in good health. And because of that the other guy's insurance company refuses to pay for her
medical bills. She's since had to hire an attorney to sue the "car accident" attorneys and insurance company.
Please people if you're in an accident that wasn't your fault, check with your insurance agent or theirs first,
you don't need an attorney to talk to your own insurance agent for you.
These "car accident" attorneys charge 25% to 33% of the estimated damage to your vehicle right off the top
and they make sure the insurance check is made out to them, not you.
So what happens is that when you go pick up your vehicle after being repaired for $6000 (as what happened
to a coworker) the body shop states they need $2000 from you and they have to explain to you how you got
ripped off.
LakeArenal
(28,802 posts)KS Toronado
(17,145 posts)LakeArenal
(28,802 posts)Ocelot II
(115,584 posts)Also do not talk to any lawyer who calls or visits you unless you already know them. Hire your own lawyer, who will deal with the insurance companies. The other driver's insurer is ultimately responsible for your expenses if the accident was the other driver's fault. Your insurer is obligated to pay whatever expenses the policy covers and can then seek reimbursement from the other insurer (subrogation), but don't talk to anybody but your own lawyer. Insurance companies are not your friends.
MichMan
(11,867 posts)Some states, like mine, have "no fault" coverage where your own insurance company is responsible for paying your own damages and medical bills. It has nothing to do with the other person's insurance or who was at fault.
Ocelot II
(115,584 posts)about what's covered and what isn't. Your no-fault insurance will cover your damages up to the policy limits but there is often litigation over fault anyhow because of the subrogation issue, or if your damages exceed your policy limits. If you don't live in a fo-fault state the fault of the driver is always at issue. Regardless, don't talk to insurance company representatives because they will be looking for you to either admit you were at fault in some way so they don't have to pay, or that your damages weren't serious.
KS Toronado
(17,145 posts)Don't understand why an agent would want you to admit fault in a no-fault state.
sarisataka
(18,480 posts)For you to admit fault. Your company would not as then they would be paying as your insurer.
Might I suggest if you are fearful of your current insurer you do some looking around? Your insurer should give you confidence they will back you when you need them.
sarisataka
(18,480 posts)As I tell my clients, there is fault in an accident.
no-fault insurance, sometimes referred to as personal injury protection insurance (PIP), can help cover you and your passengers medical expenses and loss of income in the event of a covered accident, regardless of who is found at fault
That is all it means- YOUR insurance company will cover YOUR and YOUR passengers medical bills and loss of income only up to your PIP coverage.
What happens if the bills are higher than your PIP coverage? Your personal health insurance pays (you will pay any deductible/ coinsurance) and/or the other party's liability coverage pays if they agree or are found to be at fault.
KS Toronado
(17,145 posts)sarisataka
(18,480 posts)I am fortunate to work in an office that actually puts ethics and integrity first. We are not always the cheapest but our clients are very loyal because of that. (and I wouldn't work in an office that didn't have integrity)
I go thru that explanation at least once a month when one of our folks has an accident.
KS Toronado
(17,145 posts)A body shop foreman gave me that advise, he had hundreds of examples of people getting ripped off who
were not the cause of the accident. He had to sell people's vehicles to collect what was owed for repairs.
He was such an honest person that any money realized above the bill, he gave back to the owner.
Not every body shop will do that. I've never needed a lawyer to walk into an insurance office and buy
insurance, I don't need one if I'm in an accident that wasn't my fault. It's what we pay them for.
Whiskeytide
(4,459 posts)in your post that are simply incorrect. Im about to start a deposition concerning a car wreck case, but Ill be back to explain in greater detail in a little while - if another lawyer doesnt beat me to it.
Whiskeytide
(4,459 posts)
typical of non-lawyers and how they perceive the relationships between insurance companies, lawyers and people injured in motor vehicle accidents. There is a lot of disinformation out there. The insurance industry has spent a lot of $ making sure of it. It is very much to that industrys advantage for people to think of lawyers as shysters, and that the whole system is rigged against them.
There are bad lawyers out there. And there are some dishonest lawyers as well. And my recommendation is to never hire a lawyer from a television ad. Too often those lawyers are great marketers, but sometimes a little short on legal skills (there are exceptions, but stereotypes become stereotypes for a reason). TV ad lawyers have to rely on volume and turnover because advertising is expensive. They dont want your case to take a year or 18 months. Thats why often they settle it for 20/30 cents on the dollar, so they can turn it over quickly, get paid something, and move on to the next case.
Hire a lawyer based on recommendations from family and friends. We all know people who have had to hire a lawyer for some kind of accident. Go to those people and then meet with more than one lawyer before making a decision.
Your body shop guy is dealing from a very narrow perspective. He doesnt know what is really going on. He sees only the property damage side cases where, if you hire a lawyer, they may get a % of any recovery. Most states dont allow any recovery over and above the actual property damage caused, so - yes -in that narrow instance, a lawyers fees will prevent you from being made whole. But I never take a fee from the property damage side of my clients recovery - and every reputable lawyer I know does the same. Youre only taking fees from a property damage recovery if youre worried about volume and turnover more than your client.
If ALL you have is a property damage case (no injury), then most of the time you CAN handle that yourself. You will still likely get the run around from the insurance adjuster (their JOB is to pay as little as possible for your claim), but if youre persistent and stand your ground, you can probably work it out so that your car gets repaired or, if it was a total loss, replaced. Just dont expect to be overjoyed with the outcome. (I once saw training manuals for insurance adjusters - this was in the late 80s - that trained them to offer 80% of the cars actual value and when you complained, they tell you that if you say no and hire a lawyer, the lawyer will get 1/3 and youll be out more $ - pretty shitty).
If you ARE injured, as your friend was, NEVER sign anything in the hospital. And you should probably never sign with any lawyer who comes to the hospital to see you unless you or a family friend invited them to. Thats sort of the definition of an ambulance chaser. And even though your friend called them, again - TV lawyer. Hire a lawyer though references.
Never talk to the other insurance company about settling your injury case until youre out of the hospital and have your wits about you, and until you have a comfortable appreciation of how serious your injuries are. They are not your friends, and they are not trying to help you out. Again, their job is to pay you as little as possible. Dont forget that.
And other than notifying your own insurance company that an accident occurred, dont talk to them about your injury case either. You likely (by law) have something called Uninsured/Underinsured motorist coverage that may still pay you even when the accident was the other parties fault. In that scenario, your own insurance company becomes like the other drivers insurance company, and they are still not your friend.
If your friends lawyer got them to sign a settlement agreement for injuries while they were still in the hospital, thats condemnable. No lawyer should do that. Ever. At that point its unlikely they even knew how much the medical bills were! I wish them success in their claim against the lawyer. But if it was only for the property damage (reserving the injury claim for later), thats perhaps a little more common. They still shouldnt have taken a fee from it, but thats sometimes the TV lawyers game. Dont play that game.
Oh, and your body shop guy telling you that he pays any extra money he gets from selling the car back to the owner doesnt mean what you think it does. He is REQUIRED by law to do that. If he wasnt doing that, he could and should be sued and possibly prosecuted for fraud. He probably is an honest guy, but thats not evidence of his honesty by any means.
Most accidents involving only property damage get resolved without the need for getting lawyers involved. But if youre hurt, you need a lawyer. Get a good one and then listen to them.
KS Toronado
(17,145 posts)Be very very careful around TV lawyers. I should have expressed that better in my original post.
Whiskeytide
(4,459 posts)Ms. Toad
(33,992 posts)Her car has been totaled three times, I believe. The only one she has been declared "at fault" for was a day when black ice on a freeway caused her to be in the middle of a dozen-car pile-up. Becuase she was behind the person she hit, she (and everyone ahead and behind her except for the first in the line) were dinged with failure to maintain assured clear distance.
I've had my car totaled once. Some young person who had no business driving yet turned left in front of me.
In all of those times (and other more minor incidents), we have always spoken with our insurance agent and let her handle things. All but one time, we have been happy. The one time was when they wanted to total my car (I didn't want it totaled - it wasn't tat badly damagee, but the numbers didn't really add up because it was an older car).
In that instance we hired an attorney. I was clear with the insurance company that all I wanted out of it was my car and my (relatively minor) medical bills paid. They refused to settle - so I brought in an attorney and we were able to prevent my car from being totaled - and the attorney added enough pain and suffering so that I got my medical bills plus a few thousand dollars - and the attorney got their cut.
So - you're right from a money-in-my-pocket right now perspective. I certainly got more when I hired an attorney. BUT - that bigger payout didn't come out of thin air. It comes at the cost of increasing premiums across the board to cover the larger settlements necessary to cover attorney fees.
Even though I'm an attorney, I encourage people to develop a good relationship with their insurance agent and use them to settle most matters related to car accidents.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)The medical records may help prove her lack of competency. Would that help?
KS Toronado
(17,145 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,847 posts)Sounds like a combination of taking advantage of mental incompetence & coercion.
I'm not an attorney, but I remember elements of business law from MBA school. I sure remember that those two things can make a contract unenforceable.
FightingIrish
(2,716 posts)When we got T-boned my wife lost most of her right hand. The other driver who was clearly at fault, only had $100,000 liability coverage. To receive a settlement in that amount, his insurance company required us to sign a document that basically said he was not at fault. I asked our insurance adjuster if we should sign it. She gave us some information about the other driver that they had obtained in their investigation. The other driver, a migrant farm laborer, had told our adjuster that he was on an errand for his employer when he plowed into us.
We got a recommendation for an attorney and decided to sue the driver and his employer. Our attorney was nearing retirement but took our case because we were the kind of clients he preferred to deal with. He did a fantastic job and caught a witness for the defendants perjuring herself. In the end, they agreed to mediation and offered a settlement way beyond our expectations.
What we didnt realize was that insurance companies and Medicare have lien rights on some of that compensation. Our attorney kept us out of trouble by making sure that was dealt with properly.
Our attorney is very much on our side politically and our meetings with him were enjoyable opportunities to discuss things other than the litigation.
KS Toronado
(17,145 posts)that's when we go get one. Glad you and your wife made out OK.
KS Toronado
(17,145 posts)I too have had to hire an attorney for a car wreak that wasn't my fault, he got me $37,500 that I wasn't
expecting. It's just that these car accident attorneys who flood our TV airwaves should never be called
before you talk to the insurance company. IMO