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Thu Jan 13, 2022, 10:49 PM

Should Dems trade leniency for legislation?

Would you be in favor of Democrats using potential criminal charges against Republicans in the 1/6 insurrection as leverage in order to get 60 votes on voting rights and Build Back Better Legislation passed?

We do know that are more than 300 Republican congresspeople, White House cabinet aids and staff were involved in the planning and coordination in the insurrection but we are not certain that everyone involved will be charged or even investigated. Just an investigation into their actions could be damaging. But in the event that is a great possibility of criminality should Democrats show leniency in various levels exchange for passage of Legislation, especially now that Sinema has blocked all hopes?
I am not suggesting a clean slate by no means only SOME LENIENCY.
Would you do it?

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Response to Under The Radar (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 10:51 PM

1. No

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Response to Under The Radar (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 10:55 PM

2. That will NEVER work. We should not even try it anyway. It is against the rule of law.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:29 AM

10. Back room deals are older than the constitution itself.

Read up on your history and look at the highest esteemed of our leaders and the deals cut for elections, war, legislation and constitutional amendments. Hell just watch the movie Lincoln- more deals were cut to pass the 13th amendment than what has been suggested here.

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Response to Under The Radar (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:36 AM

12. It is not happening, and is a shit idea to boot. As for 'reading up on my history', you know nothing

about me that would in any remote way grant you agency to direct that sort of arrogant, condescending comment in my direction.


Back room deals are older than the constitution itself.


Oh my! I never knew that!

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Response to Celerity (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:20 PM

14. Not arrogant- just knowledgeable and experienced

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Response to Under The Radar (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 04:01 PM

16. Bollocks, the condescension you displayed towards me has nothing to do with your level

knowledge nor your experience. You have no idea what my background and knowledge set (historical and otherwise) is, yet you tried to bow up and insult and belittle me, which is never going to tolerated from my end.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:33 PM

15. Congress sells their votes daily - how's that for back room dealing?

. Look at the wealth of Congress before they were in office and currently. Subtract their salaries and look at their expenses, there is money coming from somewhere. It is public information Opensecrets.Org

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Response to Under The Radar (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 11:00 PM

3. Dangle it as a possiblity

Get them to go along, thinking they'll have some cover from prosecution.. Once passed, gut the motherfuckers. Prosecute them to the full extent of the law. They deserve vastly worse.

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Response to Under The Radar (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 11:01 PM

4. Firstly, that unethical from a prosecutorial/justice standpoint.

Secondly, that would never work even in a situation where the DOJ was co corrupted/compromised as to go along with it or Biden was so corrupt as to issue thousands of preemptive pardons.

Repukes would not agree to pass the legislation until they had some sort of guarantee, such as the pardons in hand -- because they would double-cross if it were them in that position, so they project that onto Dems/Biden -- at which time they would betray the deal and still not pass anything.

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Response to RockRaven (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:25 AM

9. What the hell does ethics have anything to do with it?

2 Democratic Senators sold out to Republican donors to stop democratic legislation- preach to them about ethics and see where that gets you.

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Response to Under The Radar (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:31 AM

11. DOJ is chockablock with self-styled Boy Scouts like Comey, including the current AG...

So even if you don't care about ethics, they care about their own ideas of their own professional ethics, however narcissistic they may be (or may not be) in that consideration. Being defiantly supposedly apolitical is an enormous ego boost for many of them.

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Response to Under The Radar (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 11:10 PM

5. No. Absolutely not.

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Response to Under The Radar (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 11:18 PM

6. The problem with this argument is...

...it assumes there actually ARE criminal charges against Republicans (presumably in Congress). That has yet to be shown ("we know they're guilty" doesn't count)

...it's flagrantly illegal. Criminal charges are disposed of in Court.

...it assumes that DOJ can be directed to withhold criminal charges in favor of legislative votes (also flagrantly illegal).

People seem to be desperately clawing at any solution.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:22 AM

8. Deals are cut in court everyday before trail and before sentencing

Attorney General Bill Barr ended the muller investigation and 7 outer federal investigations to protect Trump. To think it is illegal is being nave.

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Response to Under The Radar (Original post)

Thu Jan 13, 2022, 11:46 PM

7. No. No. No. nt

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Response to Under The Radar (Original post)

Fri Jan 14, 2022, 04:29 AM

13. No, doing the right thing is always the best politics long term

Mixing good food with equal amounts of shit is a sure-fire recipe for losing all credibility as a chef

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