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Glenn Kirschner: DOJ Press Release Promises to Hold Accountable All Those "Responsible" for Capitol

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Reply Glenn Kirschner: DOJ Press Release Promises to Hold Accountable All Those "Responsible" for Capitol (Original post)
Joinfortmill Jan 2022 OP
Botany Jan 2022 #1
Joinfortmill Jan 2022 #11
MineralMan Jan 2022 #2
Tom Rinaldo Jan 2022 #6
MineralMan Jan 2022 #7
Tom Rinaldo Jan 2022 #8
MineralMan Jan 2022 #10
Joinfortmill Jan 2022 #13
Joinfortmill Jan 2022 #12
Xoan Jan 2022 #16
CrackityJones75 Jan 2022 #3
MineralMan Jan 2022 #4
MineralMan Jan 2022 #5
Joinfortmill Jan 2022 #14
Kingofalldems Jan 2022 #9
KewlKat Jan 2022 #15
UTUSN Jan 2022 #17

Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 11:42 AM

1. DOJ Press Release Promises to Hold Accountable All Those "Responsible" for Capitol

This has to be done if we are gonna survive as a democracy. Something like 2/3 of the GOP
members of the US House voted to overturn the legally counted vote of the US citizens.

"Those responsible for the attacks."

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Response to Botany (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 04:13 PM

11. 👍

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 11:54 AM

2. So much for the idea that the DOJ will do nothing.

Keep an eye on this DOJ web page for additional press releases, beginning this week:

https://www.justice.gov/news

You'll begin to see that the DOJ is truly going to do something. It should be interesting to watch.

Meanwhile, the House January 6 committee investigating the insurrection has already heard from over 250 witnesses. That testimony has taken place privately. This year, public hearings will be held, and many of those witnesses will be back testifying in public, along with others.

2022 is here. Watch the fireworks as they begin.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 12:44 PM

6. I don't assume that AG Garland and the DOJ are impervious to public pressure

I assume the opinions of posters on DU and other such sites individually have essentially zero influence, and collectively very little. But "very little", under the right circumstances, is greater than zero. The "right circumstances" involves pressure from well vetted insider sources, meaning the likes of former top Justice Department officials, former top FBI officials, former well respected federal prosecutors and so on. The opinions of heavy weight highly regarded political figures can be influential as well. I include the likes of former moderate U.S. Senator and prosecutor Claire McCaskill, and former Obama campaign manager David Plouffe. These all are thought of as possessing sober informed opinions.

Merrick Garland does not live inside of an insulated bubble. It is safe to assume that he monitors national political and legal discussions. If a solid and persuasive case continues to gain credible momentum that it is essential to the rule of law in America that the DOJ pursue criminal investigations against those who attempted to and are still attempting to subvert free democratic elections, I do not doubt for an instant that Garland's calculations may be effected by such continued arguments.

Maybe in fact that is what now has happened. Or maybe that had been his intention all along. Or maybe DOJ is merely signalling its intentions to come down hard on the far right groups behind the actual planning for physical combat at the Capital. Obviously none of us know, But the possibility remains that DOJ has been/is being pushed toward intervention against Trump and his inner circle due to informed sustained public opinion demanding it.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 12:52 PM

7. Or, perhaps it has been working on this all along?

As you say, we don't know. That is what I've been saying all along. I don't know. Others, though pretended that they did know and made pronouncements about the DOJ - almost all of them negative.

The DOJ should not be influenced by public opinion, in my opinion. Instead, it should follow the laws and do its job. In my opinion, that is exactly what it is most likely to be doing.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 01:04 PM

8. Of course.That's what I meant by "Or maybe that had been his intention all along"

More than likely someday we will know. Every profession has judgement calls where the decision rests close to the line. Persecution or non prosecution decisions sometimes come down to informed judgement. The Supreme Court rarely is unanimous in their decisions, the law, and its dictates, as often as not is not always crystal clear. All humans can be swayed by cogent arguments, whether or not they are in any specific instance.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 01:11 PM

10. Yes, although I don't think we will ever know, really.

My objection to the naysayers has always been that they are spouting doom and gloom without actually knowing anything factual. I have stated that objection over and over again, each time explaining that none of us know. For doing that, I have been maligned.

Patience. That is what we need. Prosecutions of high-level officials require very, very careful preparations. Premature disclosures can interfere with that. So, we are not getting premature disclosures. The DOJ is being managed very professionally, as it always should be. In the previous administration, it was managed very unprofessionally, as led by the President at that time.

I still do not know what the DOJ will do. Nobody does, except for the Attorney General. He is wisely keeping his own counsel.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 04:16 PM

13. 👍

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 04:13 PM

12. 👍

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 3, 2022, 05:53 AM

16. Can you link me to the Press Release ...

that confirms Kirschners to claim?

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 11:55 AM

3. Now wait a second....

I thought I read here that nothing was going to be done by the DOJ….

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 11:58 AM

4. You did. I suspect we won't be hearing as much of that

this year. I doubt people who said such things will eat their words, though.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 12:16 PM

5. At least Kirschner reported that press release.

Last week, some people here were quoting him as saying the DOJ was "doing nothing." We're not hearing from those people today.

"A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest." -Paul Simon in "The Boxer"

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 04:17 PM

14. 👍

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 01:06 PM

9. Kick and rec

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Sun Jan 2, 2022, 05:12 PM

15. Link to the DOJ Press Release for the one year since the attack

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Mon Jan 3, 2022, 11:28 AM

17. K&R for, O.K. waiting for the pudding.

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