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Thu Dec 30, 2021, 10:48 PM

Chris Hayes had a brutal show tonight,

To be brief, he and his guests talked about how president Biden needs to push, Chuck Schumer, and Senate Democrats to pass not just the 2 voter/election laws that are waiting for a filibuster carve out, there is a 3rd bill, don't know if the House passed it already, that closes loopholes in the Electoral college language. David Plouffe was one of the guests and he said that if Democrats don't pass these voter/election laws by early January, and if Republicans win back the House in 2022 then in 2024 states controlled by Republicans can send 2 sets of electors to the Electoral college, the state does not have to abide by who won the popular vote. Once that happens the House decides which set of electors to count.

Plouffe is no radical, he is very soft spoken, he went on to say that we will have president Trump until he dies, then Jr. then Ivanka, then Barron. That is exactly what David Plouffe said tonight.

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Grasswire2 Dec 2021 #9
Jon King Dec 2021 #25
Grumpy Old Guy Dec 2021 #29
Dan Dec 2021 #33
Grumpy Old Guy Dec 2021 #34
Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #57
Dave says Dec 2021 #65
Chin music Dec 2021 #27
honest.abe Dec 2021 #3
gab13by13 Dec 2021 #5
Slammer Dec 2021 #12
Steven Maurer Dec 2021 #26
Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #59
Steven Maurer Dec 2021 #66
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Budi Dec 2021 #6
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gab13by13 Dec 2021 #10
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Takket Dec 2021 #8
gab13by13 Dec 2021 #11
Frasier Balzov Dec 2021 #30
Deminpenn Dec 2021 #52
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TheFarseer Dec 2021 #53
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Dan Dec 2021 #18
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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Dec 30, 2021, 10:51 PM

1. Yes, it was brutal.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Dec 30, 2021, 10:55 PM

2. Democrats are sleep walking into electoral disaster

They have no real fight in them and our ugly future is staring us in the face. I am exhausted and tired of strongly worded letters. This is our last chance of saving the county and no one seems to have to guts to do it.

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Response to montanacowboy (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:04 PM

4. David Plouffe is a very smart person,

he was Barack Obama's campaign manager and was a big reason that Obama became president.

David Plouffe is pulling the fire alarm and I hope that Senate Democrats watched him tonight.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:52 PM

9. yes, I take him very seriously. nt

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:18 AM

25. He may be smart but he is dead wrong.

As I said below, his scenario is silly because the day an election was actually stolen, the country would descend into chaos and civil war. Blue states and 80 plus million voters who had their votes stolen are not going to sit by for generations while the Trump family runs the country. Within a week it would be civil war. Biden would not leave in 2024 if the election was stolen. He would command his split of the military and blue state guards into civil war. Americans would die before living in a dictatorship.

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Response to Jon King (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:27 AM

29. However, the other side has the guns.

They're chomping at the bit to use them on us. I'm not sure that all of law enforcement is on board with stopping them.

I haven't fired a gun in forty five years. I wouldn't be a good shot.

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Response to Grumpy Old Guy (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 02:01 AM

33. If you had good skills, then muscle and eye memory...

When in doubt, remember there is always Center Mass.

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Response to Dan (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 02:08 AM

34. Or just use a shotgun.

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Response to Jon King (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 10:23 AM

57. Oh, good. Let's let it get to that then.

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Response to Jon King (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 02:37 PM

65. I disagree

It didn't happen on December 12, 2000, there's no strong reason to think it will happen now.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:02 PM

3. How does Schumer pass anything without Manchin and Sinema?

I donít get why this is always Democrats fault?!?

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:10 PM

5. About 6 months ago, were I Chuck Schumer,

I would have broken up S1 into pieces and brought every one of those individual bills up for a vote rapid fire and when Republicans voted down every one of those sensible bills I would have gone to Manchin and told him that I was doing a carve out for the filibuster to save our democracy and I expect your vote.

That's just me, maybe it wouldn't have worked but I would have done something 6 months ago.

Speaker Pelosi should trade places with Chuck for 2 months.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:59 PM

12. +1 n/t

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:24 AM

26. What does "I expect your vote" do for you when you get a "no"?

Senators can't be pushed like that. Not when they hold all the cards.

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Response to Steven Maurer (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 10:25 AM

59. Senators have always been pushed like that. Some know how to do it and some don't.

And some have the stomach to do that and some don't.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #59)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 03:51 PM

66. IN a 50+1 to 50 Senate, there is no leverage...

LBJ was able to push southern conservative/racist Democrats on civil rights because the party held over 2/3rds of the seats in the chamber.

It has nothing to do with "stomach".

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 10:24 AM

58. This. Chuck is a gentleman and my Senator and I will always vote for him,

but we need someone different in that role.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:17 PM

6. Schumer has already said those will be brought to vote when they return after th 1st.

 

Anybody listening?

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:23 PM

7. Barron?

C'mon now.

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Response to oasis (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:56 PM

10. Don't shoot the messenger,

Plouffe said Barron.

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Response to oasis (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:25 AM

15. They don't need anyone competent

just a figurehead to appear on camera while the cabal runs things for the oligarchs. Just like with Saint Ronnie.

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Response to oasis (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:50 AM

17. That kid, from what I've seen in videos and read, is just like his dad. Yes, Barron.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:29 PM

8. he has pushed. Manchin and Sinema would rather have the filibuster.

which will come as a great solace when mcconnel axes it five seconds after the rethugs take control in early 2023

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Response to Takket (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:58 PM

11. Hopefully we can hang on to the Senate in 2023,

I will do my part in replacing Toomey with Fetterman. Fetterman is well liked in Pa.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:36 AM

30. Lamb needs to win that race, even if Fetterman must step aside.

Lamb is the Democratic presidential candidate in 2024.

He must run for the presidency while occupying a seat in the Senate, just like Barack Obama did.

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Response to Frasier Balzov (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 08:31 AM

52. That's pretty far-fetched,

honestly.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 08:04 AM

49. Me too

Or any Democratic nominee for that matter.

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Response to Takket (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:58 AM

20. The Rethugs will not axe it, especially when a Dem POTUS is still in control.

The filibuster almost always blocks us,and rarely hurts the Rethugs. The judicial and executive nominee carve-outs were the main things they benefited from.

The filibuster hurts only Senate Democrats -- and Mitch McConnell knows that. The numbers don't lie.

My own add - Sinema wants a 60 vote threshold on EVERY legislative action!. Not joking.



https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/filibuster-hurts-only-senate-democrats-mitch-mcconnell-knows-n1255787

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Cutting off debate in the Senate so legislation can be voted on is done through a procedure called "cloture," which requires three-fifths of the Senate ó or 60 votes ó to pass. I went through the Senate's cloture votes for the last dozen years from the 109th Congress until now, tracking how many of them failed because they didn't hit 60 votes. It's not a perfect method of tracking filibusters, but it's as close as we can get. It's clear that Republicans have been much more willing ó and able ó to tangle up the Senate's proceedings than Democrats. More important, the filibuster was almost no impediment to Republican goals in the Senate during the Trump administration. Until 2007, the number of cloture votes taken every year was relatively low, as the Senate's use of unanimous consent agreements skipped the need to round up supporters. While a lot of the cloture motions did fail, it was still rare to jump that hurdle at all ó and even then, a lot of the motions were still agreed to through unanimous consent. That changed when Democrats took control of Congress in 2007 and McConnell first became minority leader. The number of cloture motions filed doubled compared to the previous year, from 68 to 139.

Things only got more dire as the Obama administration kicked off in 2009, with Democrats in control of the House, the Senate and the White House. Of the 91 cloture votes taken during the first two years of President Barack Obama's first term, 28 ó or 30 percent ó failed. All but three failed despite having majority support. The next Congress was much worse after the GOP took control of the House: McConnell's minority blocked 43 percent of all cloture votes taken from passing. Things were looking to be on the same course at the start of Obama's second term. By November 2013, 27 percent of cloture votes had failed even though they had majority support. After months of simmering outrage over blocked nominees grew, Senate Democrats triggered the so-called nuclear option, dropping the number of votes needed for cloture to a majority for most presidential nominees, including Cabinet positions and judgeships. The next year, Republicans took over the Senate with Obama still in office. By pure numbers, the use of the filibuster rules skyrocketed under the Democratic minority: 63 of 123 cloture votes failed, or 51 percent. But there's a catch: Nothing that was being voted on was covered by the new filibuster rules. McConnell had almost entirely stopped bringing Obama's judicial nominees to the floor, including Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland.

McConnell defended the filibuster on the Senate floor last week, reminding his counterparts of their dependence on it during President Donald Trump's term. "Democrats used it constantly, as they had every right to," he said. "They were happy to insist on a 60-vote threshold for practically every measure or bill I took up." Except, if anything, use of the filibuster plummeted those four years. There are two main reasons: First, and foremost, the amount of in-party squabbling during the Trump years prevented any sort of coordinated legislative push from materializing. Second, there wasn't actually all that much the Republicans wanted that needed to get past the filibuster in its reduced state after the 2013 rule change. McConnell's strategy of withholding federal judgeships from Obama nominees paid off in spades, letting him spend four years stuffing the courts with conservatives. And when Trump's first Supreme Court nominee, Neil Gorsuch, was filibustered, McConnell didn't hesitate to change the rules again. Trump's more controversial nominees also sailed to confirmation without any Democratic votes. Legislatively, there were only two things Republicans really wanted: tax cuts and repeal of Obamacare. The Trump tax cuts they managed through budget reconciliation, a process that allows budget bills to pass through the Senate with just a majority vote.

Republicans tried to do the same for health care in 2017 to avoid the filibuster, failing only during the final vote, when Sen. John McCain's "no" vote denied them a majority. The repeal wouldn't have gone through even if the filibuster had already been in the grave. As a result, the number of successful filibusters plummeted: Over the last four years, an average of 7 percent of all cloture motions failed. In the last Congress, 298 cloture votes were taken, a record. Only 26 failed. Almost all of the votes that passed were on nominees to the federal bench or the executive branch. In fact, if you stripped out the nominations considered in the first two years of Trump's term, the rate of failure would be closer to 15 percent ó but on only 70 total votes. There just wasn't all that much for Democrats to get in the way of with the filibuster, which is why we didn't hear much complaining from Republicans. Today's Democrats aren't in the same boat. Almost all of the big-ticket items President Joe Biden wants to move forward require both houses of Congress to agree. And given McConnell's previous success in smothering Obama's agenda for political gain, his warnings about the lack of "concern and comity" that Democrats are trying to usher in ring hollow. In actuality, his warnings of "wait until you're in the minority again" shouldn't inspire concern from Democrats. So long as it applies only to legislation, the filibuster is a Republicans-only weapon. There's nothing left, it seems, for the GOP to fear from it ó aside from its eventual demise.

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Response to Takket (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 08:43 AM

53. The filibuster gives them cover to not pass anything

And they donít want to pass anything that might cost money and thus possibly raise taxes. Of course if it costs money to give a fat government contract to their buddy, thatís different.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:01 AM

13. Maybe the media will start to pick up on what was said tonight ......

this country is in trouble......and the democrats need to close those loopholes....

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 05:48 AM

45. Democrats have a 50 50 Senate and no hope of ending the filibuster. A llittle reality is needed

here, and Chis Hayes attacking Democrats for not stopping the evil machinations of Republicans instead of going after the Republicans for the evil machinations is a large part of the threat we face...again Fuck Chris Hayes, he does the GOP work for them by attacking Democrats.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 05:51 AM

46. +1

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 02:02 PM

64. I am going ask you what you think of this story...and then tell me who tells the truth more...

Last edited Fri Dec 31, 2021, 02:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Chris Hayes or Fox News or Snopes....

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2009/10/25/797064/-

This is the case law that gave a propaganda machine the means to place this country into a shit hole and give it carte blanche .... the same firm that did it in Australia and United Kingdom...and what Hayes did was to point out the obvious....your either going to bring truth to the table or your not.....and this is why this is important....

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-district-court-of-appeal/1310807.html

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:16 AM

14. Maybe I'm just too old and spoled,

I remember Ted Kennedy giving fire and brimstone speeches on the floor of the Senate, then I watch every speech that Chuck gives is from prepared remarks.

I live in a Trump borough and the local mafia-like family wanted to strip coal on our watershed, I gathered up the largest group of townsfolk to attend the council meeting, I ended up being the spokesperson. I got some notice from our local democratic chair and I ended up serving 2 terms on borough council. Those coal strippers were scary people to me being a young whipper snapper. They brought their goon squad to every council meeting and they sat right behind me. I spent many sleepless nights, one of my friends got death threats, but in the end we won out, we put so many restrictions on them they couldn't have made a dime but we protected our water.

I know all about taking on powerful people, even in my little town, but people vote for you to do what's right, what's best for the town.

I did get paid though, 20 dollars a month, unless I missed the council meeting and then I got nothing no matter what other work I did,
Too bad we can't take money away from state and federal politicians.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:26 AM

16. I don't know where you live but the townspeople should be

very grateful to you for fighting for their rights. Yes, Ted was called the Lion for good reason (by far the best legislator of the 3 brothers). Shumer I have trouble trusting.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:50 AM

18. So, we the people, will just accept the rule of Trump?

Just because a minority says thatís the way it should be?

Rather be dead.

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Response to Dan (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:08 AM

23. +1

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Response to Dan (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 10:30 AM

60. It wouldn't be the first time. That is exactly what happened in 2016.

Only now they are making it more likely.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:58 AM

19. Alright, maybe I'm a little dumb, but....

why does all this have to be done by early January, 2022?

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:46 AM

31. It's an election year.

Abuses of the unreformed system give the GOP an advantage.

Pre-empting state-level abuses with federal reform legislation is what may save democracy.

Failing to enact reform in the near term almost certainly dooms democracy given the highly energized specter of Trumpism in the states.

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Response to Frasier Balzov (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 02:22 AM

36. I understand that....

I just don't understand the urgency to have them finished in early January. Voting is in November, unless it's a special election.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 02:30 AM

37. I don't understand it either.

There's some kind of rule about doing everything in the first year or else.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 02:33 AM

38. The primaries are also susceptible to manipulation.

Who would be the stronger candidate in the fall is made to come up short in the spring.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 12:59 AM

21. That my last straw with Chris,,,,,,,,,

Him and his Trump Brit Lackis can kiss my ass..... they have been wrong at every turn!

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 05:15 AM

42. 'Trump Brit Lackis'

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:01 AM

22. Dear God

I wonít sleep after reading this!

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:12 AM

24. Utter nonsense because has 0% chance of happening.

There is no chance of the scenario playing out....because it would be ended the day it became evident that they overturned an election.

The day it happened that an election was actually stolen, the country would end. The blue states would stop sending money to the treasury, the streets would be full of rioters, business closed, all the rich corporate CEOs would have no companies to run. The military would split, police forces split, national guard units from various stats would split. Biden would not leave in 2024, he would have the patriotic duty of commanding the resistance and lead whatever troops he could into the civil war. No way he just says okay, go ahead and go with a dictatorship.

In short....the scenario would not play out because the country would cease to exist. The notion that blue states and 80 million voters who had their votes stolen would simply allow the Trumps to be dictators is beyond ridiculous. Americans are not lifelong Chinese who have never known another system. Americans would revolt, totally and completely, would rather die than live under a dictatorship.

You can debate whether my scenario is worse or better but it is reality. Once they actually steal an election it is game over for America. What rises in its place, who knows.

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Response to Jon King (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:55 AM

32. The country limps along as a charade masquerading as the peaceful transfer of power.

First, sound and fury signifying nothing. Followed by the sustained whimper of a hobbled mutant.

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Response to Frasier Balzov (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 04:51 AM

40. What?

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Response to Jon King (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 04:52 AM

41. Like J6 had zero chance if happening? ria

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Response to Jon King (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 10:34 AM

61. Do you understand why people might like to avoid that eventuality?

As you say, the country would cease to exist.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 02:13 AM

35. The breaking glacier to me was the most frightening yet

under reported story. I'm so glad he had the courage to put it on.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 04:28 AM

39. no

maggots day of reckoning is coming and i done especially mean
legally. Hes riding a bad health ticket into oblivion.
Plus as divided and crazy as things have gotten he could always end up on the wrong end of a bullet.
That goes for the rest of his spawn.
They have created an atmosphere that just may backfire on them.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 05:37 AM

43. It's been relatively easy to see this coming for a while now.

I'm glad it's starting to get media attention now, referring to the AP report, but not optimistic we can stop what's happening. I'll even go one step further and say that Republicans may be ready to test their new state laws to overturn the will of their voters in the 2022 election. The American public in general is so brain dead it could be 5 or more years later before they begin to even realize what has happened, and the majority of the Republican party seems to be happy right now with the idea of a Trump puppet monarchy (unaware of the plutocracy pulling it's strings).

Sure hope I'm wrong but I don't think so, unless we get rid of that filibuster that's blocking voting rights from going to the floor in the Senate.

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Response to GoodRaisin (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 01:56 PM

63. And I should add that blaming "Democrats" or "Biden" for "not having a sense of urgency"

is more M$M nonsense. Itís just another Plutocracy floated lie, like the M$M Afghanistan attack on Joe Biden. If Democrats had the votes in the Senate we would already have the voting rights legislation passed.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 05:43 AM

44. This is why I despise Chris Hayes...blaming Biden once more. We have a 50 50

Senate and there is very little chance of this happening. Chris Hayes behaved very badly and unprofessionally during the primary, and he is still at it. One wonders why he reserves his harshest words for Democrats and Pres. Biden particularly-never Republicans. Of course, he has an agenda and it does not favor Democrats. I see he is working hard to cause us to lose the midterms badly. Fuck Chris Hayes and MSNBC as well.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 05:52 AM

47. +1

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Response to betsuni (Reply #47)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 07:10 AM

48. Thank you Betsuni

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 08:15 AM

50. Thank YOU!

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 08:26 AM

51. Please understand that MSNBC uses maximum fear-mongering

to generate viewers and ratings among its base audience. In this way, it's not unlike Fox News.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 08:46 AM

54. It's exactly what I've been saying all year. For some reason the urgency doesn't seem to be getting

to many Democrats in Washington. I suspect many will wake up the day after election day, 2022, and wonder what happened.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 11:52 AM

62. It isn't just Washington Democrats who don't get this sense of urgency.

If voter and election protection legislation isn't passed in DC, the Republican shenanigans that enable them to steal elections at the state level will remain on the books. So if Democrats supposedly rise up against "stolen elections," guess who the insurrectionists will be? Guess who will be met with lethal force in the streets? Guess who the Republicans will see gets prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?

Anyone who thinks certain Republican governors won't go full Nazi is unserious about democracy.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 08:46 AM

55. I'm not sure about a Trump monarchy

But I have no doubt the Republicans will have no qualms about brazenly stealing an election and the Democrats will not know what to do to stop them.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 09:09 AM

56. I never dreamed it would get this bad in my country.

And I never imagined that a corrective response would be this impotent.

I don't need Chris Hayes to point out just how fucked we are.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 31, 2021, 09:05 PM

67. I think David Plouffe's comments have been misconstrued.

Plouffe is no radical, he is very soft spoken, he went on to say that we will have president Trump until he dies, then Jr. then Ivanka, then Barron. That is exactly what David Plouffe said tonight.


I missed it last night, set my DVR for the late night/early morning rebroadcast, and just watched it a little while ago. And my impression was a little different, in that I don't think that comment was meant to be a literal prediction, but rather an observation that for the Republicans who are trying to get control of our elections, that is a worst case scenario they would be fine with. It was sort of an exaggerating for effect kind of thing.

I would quote the exact words if I could, but I didn't think to write them down. Anyhow, that is my take, fwiw.

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