Tue Dec 28, 2021, 09:51 AM

gab13by13 (10,588 posts)

A Big Problem With the 1/6 Coup Attempt

The attempted coup was not treated as a coup, as an attempt to overthrow our government. Wasn't taken as a coup by the MSM, but especially wasn't taken as a coup by Justice. It was looked upon as a peaceful protest turned violent, and is still being looked upon that way.

No one who was arrested inside the Capitol should have only been charged with, "entering or remaining in a restricted federal building,"
nor should any of them only been charged with "parading," nor should any of them only been charged with "demonstrating, picketing in the Capitol."

Those charges do not reveal what was going on that day, those charges hide what was going on that day and yet those are what the vast majority of people arrested that day were charged with.

To the best of my knowledge none have been indicted for "insurrection." To the best of my knowledge none have been indicted for "seditious conspiracy." To the best of my knowledge none have been arrested for "impeding the official proceedings of Congress"
although I did hear that charge was being considered.

All of this is on Justice. We have judges (except the 2 Trump appointed judges) complaining that prosecutors are not seeking stiff enough sentences. Many judges are taking it upon themselves to give stiffer sentences.

Every damn insurrectionist arrested inside the Capitol should have been charged with insurrection.

Just my 2 cents. Nothing is taken seriously if people aren't held accountable. For fuck's sake they stormed our Capitol building, ransacked it, practically demolished it, threw shit on the walls and then they are indicted for remaining in a restricted federal building, for parading, for demonstrating-picketing in the Capitol? We have a woman in Texas who was sent to jail for multiple years because she mistakenly voted at the wrong precinct. It's time for DOJ to get serious.

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A Big Problem With the 1/6 Coup Attempt (Original post)	gab13by13	Dec 2021	OP
One more damn thing,	gab13by13	Dec 2021	#1
K&R	Arazi	Dec 2021	#2
The insurrection plot was so complete, it even had promo swag	C_U_L8R	Dec 2021	#3
THIS. n/t	OneGrassRoot	Dec 2021	#4
Biden, Pelosi, et al have known this for a long time.	empedocles	Dec 2021	#8
I desperately hope so...	OneGrassRoot	Dec 2021	#10
Indeed. There is a method. And the GOP will pay the price.	C_U_L8R	Dec 2021	#11
Poppycock!	berni_mccoy	Dec 2021	#13
Amen, and time is growing short.	gab13by13	Dec 2021	#15
DETERRENCE is required -- and it's not being introduced as a concept.	Grasswire2	Dec 2021	#43
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Dec 2021	#61
Exactly. It seems "look forward not back" is modern time's	KPN	Dec 2021	#75
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Dec 2021	#105
+1000	smirkymonkey	Dec 2021	#69
Yep, nothing says "no big deal" like not knowing if DOJ will hold people accountable for crimes	uponit7771	Dec 2021	#88
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Dec 2021	#104
👍	Joinfortmill	Dec 2021	#34
the clock is ticking -- approaching midnight for democracy.	Grasswire2	Dec 2021	#42
Sigh. I sincerely hope this isn't delusional. All evidence	KPN	Dec 2021	#74
Then we've lost, we're great at showing how horrible we are at garnering sentiment. We need to hire	uponit7771	Dec 2021	#87
THIS! N/t	malaise	Jan 2022	#114
And that should be the straw that broke the camel's back.	OldBaldy1701E	Dec 2021	#7
I fear that Occam's Razor applies here.	gab13by13	Dec 2021	#16
Oh, come on. So now we can jail anybody that wears clothing that offends you?	erronis	Dec 2021	#54
+1. it wouldn't hurt to think a little bit ... -(nt)-	stopdiggin	Dec 2021	#57
Thinking about what? This reminds me of the old	KPN	Dec 2021	#77
so you're OK with jailing people that wear T-shirts	stopdiggin	Dec 2021	#84
Lol. Nobody here said jail people who wore that shirt because they wore it.	KPN	Dec 2021	#89
you might want to reread the post (#54) that I responded to	stopdiggin	Dec 2021	#98
Oh no, that is exactly what I said.	OldBaldy1701E	Dec 2021	#109
Uncommon problems require uncommon solutions.	KPN	Dec 2021	#76
The desire to remain anywhere near that box is. (n/t)	OldBaldy1701E	Dec 2021	#110
This has nothing to do with being offended.	OldBaldy1701E	Dec 2021	#108
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Dec 2021	#106
... and multiple "war rooms", not simply just one. . . . nt	Bernardo de La Paz	Dec 2021	#9
THIS!	calimary	Dec 2021	#72
It's a big fat joke to most of them.	gab13by13	Dec 2021	#14
If that isn't damning, I don't know what is.	smirkymonkey	Dec 2021	#68
Yup. All the librul antifas would be incarcerated for months already with many months or years	KPN	Dec 2021	#78
The DOJ's ignorance on this is a travesty.	berni_mccoy	Dec 2021	#5
I don't believe ignorance is the word.	Ferrets are Cool	Dec 2021	#50
A grand mistake we may not survive	HAB911	Dec 2021	#6
Good reframe. Thanks.	TheRickles	Dec 2021	#12
why weren't insurrectionist arrested on site?	CommonHumanity	Dec 2021	#17
I think that your own reason is the answer,	gab13by13	Dec 2021	#19
I want to know why the hallways didn't run red with the blood of the insurrectionists.	Rabrrrrrr	Dec 2021	#29
oh, well there's a really swell idea!	stopdiggin	Dec 2021	#59
+1000	smirkymonkey	Dec 2021	#70
2 or 3 weeks ago,	gab13by13	Dec 2021	#18
This report both saddens and frightens me	msfiddlestix	Dec 2021	#38
I wonder if we can find footage of that	Grasswire2	Dec 2021	#44
ffffffuck,	uponit7771	Dec 2021	#90
not too late for that charging, I don't think...	bringthePaine	Dec 2021	#20
I think the biggest problem is that it's not over yet	MissMillie	Dec 2021	#21
With little accountability,	gab13by13	Dec 2021	#22
elections are still primarily a state process and province	stopdiggin	Dec 2021	#60
Oh come on. There were so many transgressions of normal election	KPN	Dec 2021	#79
So who prosecutes violation of state law?	stopdiggin	Dec 2021	#99
You wrongly assumed I was talking State laws.	KPN	Dec 2021	#100
if you don't want to address the points in my post	stopdiggin	Dec 2021	#102
You are right. I misspoke -- what I typed was not what I was	KPN	Dec 2021	#103
Remember when Republicans were insistent about Benghazi	Mad_Machine76	Dec 2021	#23
And the Republicans could never offer any evidence, let alone prove a damn thing	hadEnuf	Dec 2021	#53
Our 2-party system almost guarantees that prosecution	Mr. Ected	Dec 2021	#24
It absolutely does not matter,	gab13by13	Dec 2021	#30
Well, of course, hard to call yourself a country based on rule of law	Mr. Ected	Dec 2021	#40
Not an excuse for relative inaction against an attempted	KPN	Dec 2021	#80
We still have to do the right, regardless	uponit7771	Dec 2021	#91
Good points, but there's an error in your OP.	CaptainTruth	Dec 2021	#25
Since then multiple other judges have upheld the charges, ruling it was an official proceeding.nt	pnwmom	Dec 2021	#62
I have a strong feeling	fwvinson	Dec 2021	#26
You should seriously think about deleting that post, just a suggestion.	gab13by13	Dec 2021	#32
It's always good to get a statement from the not loyal opposition	erronis	Dec 2021	#55
Does Anyone Really Believe	DallasNE	Dec 2021	#27
If an angry violent mob	Mr.Bill	Dec 2021	#28
and the ones who didn't die would be in jail for a long time.	gab13by13	Dec 2021	#31
And the shooting and killing of invaders would have been perfectly legal	msfiddlestix	Dec 2021	#93
AMEN!!!! HEAR, HEAR!!! STANDING OVATION!!!	LoisB	Dec 2021	#33
Except at least 4 judges have upheld charges on obstruction of an official proceeding,	pnwmom	Dec 2021	#64
Although the crime seems obvious to us,	Qutzupalotl	Dec 2021	#35
DOJ needs more evidence?	msfiddlestix	Dec 2021	#39
Yes. An assertion by a prosecutor is not enough.	Qutzupalotl	Dec 2021	#41
I believe that evidence exists, in spades, on social media of the day.	Grasswire2	Dec 2021	#45
all the evidence needed was televised	msfiddlestix	Dec 2021	#48
All we need was televised	Qutzupalotl	Dec 2021	#52
it does, but to charge insurrection,	Qutzupalotl	Dec 2021	#51
They've proceeded in the past with less	uponit7771	Dec 2021	#92
Perhaps this shouldn't even be in civil courts. What happened on	KPN	Dec 2021	#83
I don't like saying this, but this is what I believe.	Dan	Dec 2021	#36
As in letting Bannon turn himself in after the weekend and be released with no bond.	Grasswire2	Dec 2021	#46
This message was self-deleted by its author	Chin music	Dec 2021	#107
K&R	DLevine	Dec 2021	#37
The people who breached the Capitol are just flakes, stooges, and (some) psychos	gulliver	Dec 2021	#47
Had this happened in a previous century,	IzzaNuDay	Dec 2021	#49
As we did post WWII with some Axis prisoners. Not publicized but rapid justice.	erronis	Dec 2021	#56
The media just gave you a mostly peaceful Xmas, just return to normal life, don't waste any time	ShazamIam	Dec 2021	#58
You should start following Empty Wheel. She has named several judges who are upholding charges	pnwmom	Dec 2021	#63
+1	DeeNice	Dec 2021	#94
There was a multi-tiered plot, there was planning, there were armed people intent on attacking	Solly Mack	Dec 2021	#65
I agree 100%. We will fail and fall if we continue to treat this	KPN	Dec 2021	#85
Downplaying what took place is no different than those who claim Covid-19 is no worse	Solly Mack	Dec 2021	#96
Exactly ... and well said.	KPN	Dec 2021	#97
There will be public heaings and all the evidence will be exposed before	Justice matters.	Dec 2021	#66
Bravo !! K&R	Duppers	Dec 2021	#67
Don't get discouraged	CrankyMa	Dec 2021	#71
Excellent read and summation. This helps a great deal, important contribution	msfiddlestix	Dec 2021	#95
Thank you... and an update.. more	CrankyMa	Jan 2022	#113
hmmm, "... Proud Boy Leader/FBI informant's arrest and removal from DC..." Okay, makes me	uponit7771	Dec 2021	#101
The Jokes On Them (Rioters)	modrepub	Dec 2021	#73
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Dec 2021	#81
I think you took a wrong turn somewhere	MissB	Dec 2021	#82
Should people that break the law be held accountable?	kentuck	Dec 2021	#86
This shit show has been badly enabled and the M$M is too blame, big time.	RANDYWILDMAN	Dec 2021	#111
Kicking!	calimary	Dec 2021	#112

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Dec 28, 2021, 09:59 AM

gab13by13 (10,588 posts)

1. One more damn thing,

Every one of those insurrectionists should have been charged with "impeding the proceeding of Congress," a serious felony, because you know what, that's exactly what every one of them did.

A Big Problem With the 1/6 Coup Attempt

1. One more damn thing,

2. K&R

3. The insurrection plot was so complete, it even had promo swag

4. THIS. n/t

8. Biden, Pelosi, et al have known this for a long time.

10. I desperately hope so...

11. Indeed. There is a method. And the GOP will pay the price.

13. Poppycock!

15. Amen, and time is growing short.

43. DETERRENCE is required -- and it's not being introduced as a concept.

75. Exactly. It seems "look forward not back" is modern time's

69. +1000

88. Yep, nothing says "no big deal" like not knowing if DOJ will hold people accountable for crimes

34. 👍

42. the clock is ticking -- approaching midnight for democracy.

74. Sigh. I sincerely hope this isn't delusional. All evidence

87. Then we've lost, we're great at showing how horrible we are at garnering sentiment. We need to hire

114. THIS! N/t

7. And that should be the straw that broke the camel's back.

16. I fear that Occam's Razor applies here.

54. Oh, come on. So now we can jail anybody that wears clothing that offends you?

57. +1. it wouldn't hurt to think a little bit ... -(nt)-

77. Thinking about what? This reminds me of the old

84. so you're OK with jailing people that wear T-shirts

89. Lol. Nobody here said jail people who wore that shirt because they wore it.

98. you might want to reread the post (#54) that I responded to

109. Oh no, that is exactly what I said.

76. Uncommon problems require uncommon solutions.

110. The desire to remain anywhere near that box is. (n/t)

108. This has nothing to do with being offended.

9. ... and multiple "war rooms", not simply just one. . . . nt

72. THIS!

14. It's a big fat joke to most of them.

68. If that isn't damning, I don't know what is.

78. Yup. All the librul antifas would be incarcerated for months already with many months or years

5. The DOJ's ignorance on this is a travesty.

50. I don't believe ignorance is the word.

6. A grand mistake we may not survive

12. Good reframe. Thanks.

17. why weren't insurrectionist arrested on site?

19. I think that your own reason is the answer,

29. I want to know why the hallways didn't run red with the blood of the insurrectionists.

59. oh, well there's a really swell idea!

70. +1000

18. 2 or 3 weeks ago,

38. This report both saddens and frightens me

44. I wonder if we can find footage of that

90. ffffffuck,

20. not too late for that charging, I don't think...

21. I think the biggest problem is that it's not over yet

22. With little accountability,

60. elections are still primarily a state process and province

79. Oh come on. There were so many transgressions of normal election

99. So who prosecutes violation of state law?

100. You wrongly assumed I was talking State laws.

102. if you don't want to address the points in my post

103. You are right. I misspoke -- what I typed was not what I was

23. Remember when Republicans were insistent about Benghazi

53. And the Republicans could never offer any evidence, let alone prove a damn thing

24. Our 2-party system almost guarantees that prosecution

30. It absolutely does not matter,

40. Well, of course, hard to call yourself a country based on rule of law

80. Not an excuse for relative inaction against an attempted

91. We still have to do the right, regardless

25. Good points, but there's an error in your OP.

62. Since then multiple other judges have upheld the charges, ruling it was an official proceeding.nt

26. I have a strong feeling

32. You should seriously think about deleting that post, just a suggestion.

55. It's always good to get a statement from the not loyal opposition

27. Does Anyone Really Believe

28. If an angry violent mob

31. and the ones who didn't die would be in jail for a long time.

93. And the shooting and killing of invaders would have been perfectly legal

33. AMEN!!!! HEAR, HEAR!!! STANDING OVATION!!!

64. Except at least 4 judges have upheld charges on obstruction of an official proceeding,

35. Although the crime seems obvious to us,

39. DOJ needs more evidence?

41. Yes. An assertion by a prosecutor is not enough.

45. I believe that evidence exists, in spades, on social media of the day.