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Tue Dec 21, 2021, 03:08 PM

Gina. Rosanne. Guy. What do you do the day after you storm the Capitol? Amazing read.

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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/january-6-insurrection-us-capitol-riots.html

Gina. Rosanne. Guy. What do you do the day after you storm the Capitol? By Kerry Howley

"They canít arrest us all,íí a future defendant had posted days before, and this was the vibe in the moment, the ecstatic invulnerability that leads someone to smear feces on the floor of the building in which the most powerful country on earth writes its rules. The worry set in later,....
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Reply Gina. Rosanne. Guy. What do you do the day after you storm the Capitol? Amazing read. (Original post)
Joinfortmill Dec 2021 OP
leftieNanner Dec 2021 #1
Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #23
gristy Dec 2021 #2
inthewind21 Dec 2021 #16
sinkingfeeling Dec 2021 #3
forgotmylogin Dec 2021 #13
mountain grammy Dec 2021 #22
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Skittles Dec 2021 #32
mountain grammy Dec 2021 #35
Skittles Dec 2021 #36
Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #26
bottomofthehill Dec 2021 #4
Downtown Hound Dec 2021 #20
barbtries Dec 2021 #31
CTyankee Dec 2021 #5
sinkingfeeling Dec 2021 #25
japple Dec 2021 #6
progressoid Dec 2021 #12
inthewind21 Dec 2021 #17
msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #27
bottomofthehill Dec 2021 #34
japple Dec 2021 #19
SallyHemmings Dec 2021 #7
paleotn Dec 2021 #8
DemUnleashed Dec 2021 #9
BlueCheeseAgain Dec 2021 #10
Mary in S. Carolina Dec 2021 #11
Paladin Dec 2021 #14
inthewind21 Dec 2021 #21
Hekate Dec 2021 #15
Downtown Hound Dec 2021 #18
Hekate Dec 2021 #24
OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2021 #28
sl8 Dec 2021 #29
BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #30
Tommymac Dec 2021 #33
ellie Dec 2021 #37
Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #38
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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 04:07 PM

1. Really good article

Worth the long read.

Thanks for posting.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 07:08 PM

23. I'll up you one. An excellent article. . . . nt

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 04:16 PM

2. Wow - terrific article

LOL at one of the comments:

1 HOUR AGO
If things go well, Republicans will become even more involved in protecting prisoners' rights.


And there was this in the article along the same vein:

Last night we toured the DC Jail, tweeted Marjorie Taylor Greene in November, expressing a newfound interest in the subject of prison reform.

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Response to gristy (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:31 PM

16. Best part of it

When it talks about cages set up to ensure racial inequality that a bunch of white rioters were now experiencing.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:08 PM

3. Read it. I thought the author was pushing for sympathy towards

the 3 subjects.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:16 PM

13. I didn't feel sympathy, but hearing about the humans behind this is interesting.

It reads like true crime rather than a sympathy ploy. True crime writing includes a lot of biography, and life details are always humanizing.

I felt more sympathy toward the people's family and friends. They're the ones who knew something was up, often beforehand, and did the right thing. I'm sure the 58 year old white woman isn't the first person who has gotten lost in a prison system and spat out in a different state with no life ahead. That was wrong and the system should be reformed, but that doesn't negate what she did to get there.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:59 PM

22. It is pretty horrific what they've been through

but that's the American justice system and people a lot less guilty than them have been through worse.

I couldn't manage to find any sympathy.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:10 PM

32. ?

what do you mean, it is horrific what they have been through?

these folk tried to overthrow the government - nothing is really enough for them

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Response to Skittles (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:27 PM

35. It is.. did you read my post?

I don't have any sympathy for them, but the fact is our justice system is horrific.

Most of them should have been arrested on Jan. 6th. I'll never understand that nonsense.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #35)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:39 PM

36. yes

I can't figure out the horrific part here, other than what they did

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 07:16 PM

26. Understanding. Jackson is not condemned. Article ends with lots of negatives against insurrectionist


If Watkinsís argument is that one should not imprison people who were incited by a sitting president, some to their own acts of incitement ("Youíre not going to take away our Trumpy-bear!; We need weapons!" ), the judge did not find this convincing. A defendant credulous enough to believe he was following Trumpís orders shows "an inability (or refusal) to exercise his independent judgment and conform his behavior to the law."


Article just lays it out there: Either the insurrectionists did what they did knowing it was law-breaking or they were too stupid or too insane to be competent (and thus should be committed).

Article basically says these people knew what they were doing and it is poetic justice if they are suffering.



Where the article does have sympathy is for Gina after the fact, after she was released, and for Boyland's family.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:12 PM

4. I have no sympathy for any of them.

I hope they all serve long jail terms, well, actually, I wish Roseanne was alive to serve a long jail sentence.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:49 PM

20. I agree. n/t

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:07 PM

31. that's how i feel about it.

they're traitors.

i was annoyed that the writer did not bother to learn that a baby sheep is known as a lamb.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:22 PM

5. Paywall, so can't read!

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 07:15 PM

25. I read the whole thing without a subscription. Didn't even see

a message about subscribing.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:25 PM

6. I can't read any of this since it's behind a paywall. Would someone who has a subscription

give us a taste of what the article says. You can post up to 4 paragraphs.

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Response to japple (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:53 PM

12. here's the beginning...

They canít arrest us all,íí a future defendant had posted days before, and this was the vibe in the moment, the ecstatic invulnerability that leads someone to smear feces on the floor of the building in which the most powerful country on earth writes its rules. The worry set in later, when the swarm resolved into 9,000 separate bodies in separate homes in separate beds. At first it was just a feeling, watching the news, as the word rally gave way to the word riot, that the mood of the day had not carried onward into the present. The FBI was at the airport, someone heard. A friend had been arrested. One hundred arrests in the first two weeks. There were photographs on the FBIís web page and online sleuths trawling for clues. There were tipsters calling in names of old classmates. When a man was arrested in Washington, the FBI had footage from a camera planted on a telephone pole near his front yard. Three hundred by March. Arrests would be made in nearly every state. There would be FBI raids, battering rams, guns-drawn SWAT teams terrifying small children in the night. Five hundred by August. If you were paying attention, you were waiting for them, and the thousands who stormed the Capitol on January 6 were people who took immense pride in paying attention.

I did storm the Capitol, a rioter named Robert Chapman messaged someone on Bumble. We are not a match, said the recipient, who then sent the message to the authorities. Rioters looked about and wondered who among their acquaintances had the motivated malice to dial 1-800-CALL-FBI. They were betrayed by co-workers, and they were betrayed by exes, and they were betrayed, very often, by former classmates. Someone who worked at Circle K pointed out that an assistant manager had requested time off to go to this. It was not unusual for six, seven, eight people to take it upon themselves to identify a single man. Thanks for your tips! tweeted the FBI.

Here was a crime to which people loved to confess. I STOLE SHIT FROM NANCY POLESI, wrote Riley Williams on Discord. At a dentistís office, Daniel Warmus bragged that he had smoked marijuana inside the Capitol; someone in the office turned him in. Just broke in this bitch! said Cole Temple in a video of himself that he posted on Snapchat. Rioters had given interviews to the Baker County Press, the anti-abortion publication LifeSiteNews, and the Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sanomat, a Finnish reader of which contacted the FBI. Rioters were identified because other rioters tagged them on Facebook. As part of an Instagram Story, Edward Lang posted a picture of the crowded Capitol entrance, to which he added a pointing-finger emoji and the words THIS IS ME.

Hundreds of people caught on-camera committing what was arguably sedition went home to families that feared them, strangers who admired them, federal agents already setting up surveillance. Over a yearís time, many of their lives would be transformed. They would discover the dark state of American prisons. They would be fired and divorced and bankrupt and subject to extraordinary kindness from strangers. They would become fodder for the kind of conspiracies that had summoned them to D.C. in the first place. They would become a price paid for the right to stand on a dais and say Youíll never take back our country with weakness.

Gina Bisignano would lose her salon, Guy Reffitt would lose his freedom, and Rosanne Boyland would lose her life....

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Response to progressoid (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:36 PM

17. Here's the best part in my opinion, the last part of the article

Albert Watkins represents the rioter who has come to be called the QAnon Shaman, and when Talking Points Memo asked him about motive, he had this to say: A lot of these defendants ó theyíre all fucking short-bus people. These are people with brain damage. Theyíre fucking retarded. Theyíre on the goddamn spectrum.

Regardless of how we may receive this assessment, which Watkins himself deemed perhaps disrespectful, a country that protects the right to spin fantasy necessarily risks the well-being of those who easily lose themselves to it. Freedom isnít free is a true thing the right used to say, and the costs of freedom of speech are real costs, borne, in part, by those unskilled at sifting fact from fantasy: the people who join MLMs, who become Scientologists, who lie awake in bed at night worrying over small children drained of adrenochrome. To spear the fact in the sea of grift is not an act of intelligence, exactly, but a kind of sensibility, a certain instinct for grasping the structure of the social world. We like to think of conspiracy theories as outside the realm of intelligent consideration, but the idea of children trafficked via a discount-furniture retailer is not more strange than a network of cages, built to maintain a centuries-old racial hierarchy and kept so cold that Saran Wrap socks register as an act of resistance, in which white rioters who deny the existence of systemic racism now find themselves.

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Response to inthewind21 (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 07:22 PM

27. interesting way to describe the various elements of socio-pathological inclinations

and thinking with these insurrectionists.

Who is this writer? Background?

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Response to inthewind21 (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:23 PM

34. Hit the nail on the head.

The sad thing is that millions of Americans agree with the window lickers that attacked the Capitol and almost over threw democracy.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:48 PM

19. Thanks so much!

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:36 PM

7. Incredible but not surprising story.

tfg is still free.


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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:39 PM

8. Yes, actually they can....arrest you all.

prosecute all of them and incarcerate all of them.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:45 PM

9. Wow!

Wow...what an article! Absolutely mesmerized by it...couldn't stop reading it!

Btw, i don't have a subscription but was still able to read the whole thing

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:49 PM

10. Very interesting article.

I often see young children in all their innocence about the world, and wonder how we can make sure they don't grow up to be as cruel and ignorant as some adults we see. These folks were all little kids once too-- how did they end up this way?

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Response to BlueCheeseAgain (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 05:51 PM

11. Faux News and Rush Limbaugh

 

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:21 PM

14. GREAT article.

A couple of memorable quotes:

"These are people with brain damage."

- Quote attributed to Lawyer for the QAnon Shaman.

"...walking right up to the line and letting others cross it."

-Description of one of donald trump's genuine talents.


I'm sorry for the families of the three rioters discussed, but not for the rioters themselves.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:50 PM

21. well

After reading about some of the families, I'm not really sorry for them at all. Some of them it's easy to see it's a "family thing" and not just isolated to one.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:25 PM

15. 9,000?! That's not a number I've seen before...

T They canít arrest us all,íí a future defendant had posted days before, and this was the vibe in the moment, the ecstatic invulnerability that leads someone to smear feces on the floor of the building in which the most powerful country on earth writes its rules. The worry set in later, when the swarm resolved into 9,000 separate bodies in separate homes in separate beds.

By the way, Iím not sure why I donít hit a paywall ó maybe because Iíve never been to the site before.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 06:46 PM

18. Interesting article but I thought it was a little too boo hooey for the terrorists

It almost feels like it's trying to portray them as victims, and that we should really feel bad for the fact that they're suffering now. I will believe until they day I die that most of them are getting off way too easy, and each one of them should be grateful they didn't try this shit 200 years ago. Their heads would be sitting on spikes and picked clean by crows by now.

These are the same people that supported water boarding for terrorist suspects, that didn't care about civilian casualties in Iraq, but now they're whining about the fact that it's cold in jail. These are people that have opposed any kind of prison reform for non-violent drug users, but now, apparently, we're supposed to feel really sorry for them because they staged a failed fascist coup attempt where people were maimed and killed based on the words of a corrupt con man.

Let them rot. I'd give each of them life if I had the power. Whenever I read a passage in the story that described their suffering in a pitiful way, the only thing I thought was, "Good."

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 07:14 PM

24. My gods, this is tragic. That's about all I can say. nt

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 07:54 PM

28. Thanks for posting....a great read.

The author attempts to tell the story of 3 lost souls. If you looks at the composite of every person attacking the Capitol. Guy is a 3%, the other 2 are just dad. I think the crowd in the insurrection, were 10% operators, the rest were just a bunch of brainwashed, easily influenced people.

And these people really think they can run a country better than the current Congress?

If they wanted to make a difference against the "Deep State", stay home and vote Democrat.

I also wonder....have any of these people had a come to reality moment?....where they see Trump and Democrats in a totally different light?

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 08:38 PM

29. K & R. Thanks for posting. n/t

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 09:06 PM

30. I wonder what happened to her little dog?

What a sad, sad story about sad lost people.

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 11:20 PM

33. Meh. Read like an apology for the poor mistreated insurgents.

As far as Rosanne, if she had not been in a riot breaking the law she would be alive. Choice she consciously made. No sympathy here, the author seems to think she was a victim, I disagree.

You pays your money and you take your chances..."Out of the Blue into the Black'.

I just don't have any more fucks to give.



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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 12:17 AM

37. It really was a good article

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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:04 AM

38. Great article. I especially enjoyed reading of all of the suffering and loss of these traitors.

I will never pity these traitors. None of them are being punished enough, so far.

I feel for the family members and other normal people left behind by this garbage.





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Response to Joinfortmill (Original post)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 01:05 AM

39. The "don't tread on me" insurrectionist who was tread on is

really the best in terms of instant karma.

Guess thatís what happens when you hang with people who canít read.

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