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Fri Dec 17, 2021, 10:54 PM

Yes, Chuck Rosenberg just said it on Rachel,

Chuck Rosenberg was a high ranking FBI official. Allow me to use my personal example first.

I was a member of my borough council. We had a terrible storm, high winds, loss of power. I rode in a police car with one of our officers assessing the damage. The officer got a call, a side door of our local car dealership was open. We went to the site, walked inside and shined flashlights in cars inside to see if anyone was hiding. We found no one. maybe the wind blew the door open?

Chuck Rosenberg said that people attempted to overthrow our government, attempted a coup. He said there is absolutely no doubt about that, a serious crime was committed. Rosenberg said, he cannot understand why DOJ would not investigate who was behind the coup. Rosenberg said that the select committee has every right to ask DOJ to investigate who attacked them. Just like my little trip to the car dealership, we investigated. The country should demand that DOJ do an investigation, if it can't find enough evidence to indict anyone so be it. Rosenberg also said that the law that Liz Cheney cited was used by Mueller when he indicted a Russian troll farm for obstructing our government. Rosenberg also said he used it to prosecute people who obstructed the IRS. This law that Liz Cheney cited to use against Trump and his coup plotters is not some obscure law.

Rosenberg also said that we would have heard news by now if DOJ has been investigating people. How many more DOJ experts do we have to hear from before the cry goes out to DOJ to at least investigate?

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Reply Yes, Chuck Rosenberg just said it on Rachel, (Original post)
gab13by13 Dec 2021 OP
OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2021 #1
gab13by13 Dec 2021 #2
dem4decades Dec 2021 #3
Hoyt Dec 2021 #4
gab13by13 Dec 2021 #5
Hoyt Dec 2021 #10
cilla4progress Dec 2021 #18
Hoyt Dec 2021 #28
Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #46
Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #36
Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #45
ecstatic Dec 2021 #6
Fullduplexxx Dec 2021 #7
Ford_Prefect Dec 2021 #8
Lonestarblue Dec 2021 #39
mitch96 Dec 2021 #26
Fullduplexxx Dec 2021 #27
Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #44
AverageOldGuy Dec 2021 #9
Bluethroughu Dec 2021 #16
Poiuyt Dec 2021 #17
lame54 Dec 2021 #29
flying_wahini Dec 2021 #11
Grasswire2 Dec 2021 #14
orleans Dec 2021 #12
MyOwnPeace Dec 2021 #13
CentralMass Dec 2021 #21
certainot Dec 2021 #15
doubleplusgood Dec 2021 #22
Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #23
certainot Dec 2021 #24
Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #30
certainot Dec 2021 #32
Orrex Dec 2021 #19
Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #31
Orrex Dec 2021 #51
Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #20
questionseverything Dec 2021 #38
Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #43
BSdetect Dec 2021 #25
berni_mccoy Dec 2021 #33
ancianita Dec 2021 #34
Lonestarblue Dec 2021 #40
DLevine Dec 2021 #50
Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #48
llashram Dec 2021 #35
Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #42
housecat Dec 2021 #37
Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #41
Evolve Dammit Dec 2021 #47
old guy Dec 2021 #49
Ohioboy Dec 2021 #52

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:00 PM

1. Chuck Rosenberg will get the attention of his peers.

And the conversation moves closer to Insurrection/Treason.

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Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:06 PM

2. Good point,

Rosenberg is no left wing radical like me, he is pretty reserved and calculating.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:14 PM

3. So Matt Miller and Rosenberg both say DOJ is doing nothing?

And people here say they know that DOJ is running an investigation in the background?

Please, wake up and smell the coffee.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:16 PM

4. Think House Committee should continue leading investigation into

 

Jan 6th, but at faster pace. DOJ needs to handle criminals who invaded Capitol for time being.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:37 PM

5. Rosenberg sees it differently.

He went on a lengthy explanation about how limited the select committee is. Long story short, Rosenberg said it is up to DOJ to prosecute, indict, and convict. The select committee can only gather information and refer it to DOJ for prosecution.

Why not do parallel investigations? Regardless, Rosenberg was pretty emphatic for him, he said absolutely DOJ should be investigating.

The people behind the coup have not stopped planning to overthrow our government, the insurrection is ongoing.

Liz Cheney gave her speeches Monday and Tuesday about charging Trump with a specific law, she was speaking to Merrick Garland.

If DOJ had done the investigation of Mark Meadows we would be way further ahead in the process. DOJ won't make a decision on Meadows for at least 3 weeks. Meadows filed a law suit that needs addressed. A grand jury needs to indict. A date needs to be set up to set up a date for the trial. I figure that Meadows won't go to trial until 2023, and then if he loses he will appeal.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 12:08 AM

10. Rosenberg told us Mueller could handle the job too. And don't think

 

Rosenberg appreciates the political impact of investigations.

Sorry, I trust Biden and Garland, not someone trying to boost their appearances on MSNBC, which I often watch.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 01:29 AM

18. I think he was also one who

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thought Barr was on the up and up back when he was appointed. Gross miscalculation. ..till the very end.

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:59 AM

28. That's true. Had forgotten about that.

 

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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:20 PM

46. True

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:48 PM

36. I also think that with all the insurrectionists

that have been cooperating, that itself may constitute an investigation into Trump and his henchmen of sorts.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #36)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:19 PM

45. 👍

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:49 PM

6. Damn. You know it's a 20 alarm fire when even Rosenberg is sounding the alarm

He is one of the most even-keeled, mysterious pundits on TV.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Fri Dec 17, 2021, 11:52 PM

7. No no nope it's not that the d.o.j. isnt doing anything is just that we dont understand

The way doj works and we just need to shut up and wait ..and wait.... and wait.... and wait.....and wait.....

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 12:05 AM

8. Seen that screen play and it never works like that...There are no trick endings in the DOJ handbook.

Whatever IS going on at DOJ it isn't secret police style behind the scenes stuff. They aren't built that way and neither is Merrick Garland.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:49 PM

39. Yes, we are in the middle of "Waiting for Godot" while our hopes go unrealized by the DOJ.

I hope to be proved 100% wrong, but we have had our hopes dashed many times in the past. Skepticism has replaced hope.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:31 AM

26. Between you, me and the gate post I think the DOJ isn't gonna nail TFG, SDNY will.

I believe the DOJ does not want to set a precedent on nailing the President. I think they will nail everyone AROUND 45 and let the SDNY take down is criminal organization and nail HIM as a criminal... ymmv
I can dream can't I?
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Response to mitch96 (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 11:36 AM

27. I think you're correct I also think that the right wont let that stand in their way with their doj

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:18 PM

44. Quite possible.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 12:06 AM

9. So . . .

. . . how do we demand that DOJ get with the program?

Letter to DOJ? Letter to AG Garland? Phone calls to DOJ?

I doubt that anything will do any good. As I understand it, Garland was appointed AG to remove the politicization of the DOJ that was obvious with Barr serving as Trump's personal attorney. Garland will not bring charges against Trump or any of his lieutenants because to do so would seem to be a political act.

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Response to AverageOldGuy (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 01:00 AM

16. Oh it's political...Most of the GOP failed at a coup that was

Devised by a sitting president.

It's political and it's Sedition.

It was an insurrection by the losing political party's supporters.

It's political, but that does NOT give a reason for turning our back on a full court exsposure in public of these lying America haters. They wave a flag while burning down our Democracy.


Let America see and hear who and what they support, then choose to stand by the traitors or Democracy.

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Response to AverageOldGuy (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 01:20 AM

17. The decision not to prosecute is as political as a decision to prosecute.

Maybe Biden/Garland are trying to swing the pendulum as far away from Trump/Barr as possible,

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Response to AverageOldGuy (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 12:23 PM

29. Tbe decision NOT to investigate would be the political move

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 12:09 AM

11. So why is DOJ 'not' investigating? I'm confused.


I thought (assumed) that DOJ had started the investigation last spring and was just sunk in the
Quagmire of it all?
Is Rosenberg saying that no investigation is going on? How can that be? Is it true?

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 12:39 AM

14. Adam Schiff says the same thing.

He does not know of any investigation into matters that the rest of us are waiting impatiently for.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 12:14 AM

12. merrick garland? the man who looked the other way

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 12:19 AM

13. I think of the video of the day.....

that Merrick Garland arrived at the DOJ for the first time.

There was an entourage of people out there, presumably DOJ employees, applauding his arrival.

I assumed it represented a fresh start, a new beginning, a change in what we could expect from the DOJ.

What did I miss?

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:47 AM

21. Back to the status quo of letting republicans get away with whatever they want.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 12:40 AM

15. dems ignoring the fact that trump has 1500 radio stations to attack garland and

who ever else they want to lie about

maybe it doesn't effect garland but it did comey, because dems ignore it

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Response to certainot (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:51 AM

22. +1000 nt

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Response to certainot (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 09:54 AM

23. We shouldn't prosecute an attempted coup because conservative radio exists?

That's an interesting world view.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:41 AM

24. rw radio has been intimidating politicians, media, officials, citizens, jurys, judges and now

election workers etc - for 30 years - a few hundred racist assholes hiding behind call screeners - and then we complain they don't stick their necks out far enough

i hope its not the case with garland. i'm still assuming they've got so much crime and leads and have to get it right - DOJ don't want to interfere with congress investigation, get willing confessions, etc

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Response to certainot (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 01:04 PM

30. He knew about the existence of conservative radio when he took the job.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 01:33 PM

32. that's not what i'm talking about. the fact is few know where a lot of that buzz comes from and

because dems and liberals ignore it media does too. there is endless analysis ongoing from media who hate trump but barely have a clue rw radio even exists and the huge part it plays - so people like comey think that coordinated idiot lie buzz that we allow is legitimate public sentiment instead of generated by a few hundred russian fed racist liars on the radio

people look at fox and wonder how anyone can believe their shit and have no clue what dominates the radio in 40+ states with 80+ senators

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 01:48 AM

19. DU's message police have repeatedly assured me that The System is working

Shame on me for my lack of faith, they say.

And then they accuse me of outraged ranting.

Perhaps they'll give Rosenberg a call to tell him to stop his outraged ranting, too.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 01:09 PM

31. And the weird thing is that I know the ones who are left pushing that are not trolls.

I don't understand how they can be so full-throated in that position at this late date with absolutely not a drop of an indication anything is happening.

I can't remember who it was who said it yesterday, but someone pointed out what is probably the most telling proof that no cronies of TFG have been subpoenaed: there have been no reports of them ignoring or fighting a subpoena. That's what they do. And they do it for the adulation of their tribe. If any of them had been subpoenaed, they would have fought it, and they would have publicized the fact that they were fighting it.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:58 PM

51. I like that assessment

Everything with them is fuckhead theater for the sake of attention, and our centuries-old system is poorly equipped to filter out such bullshit, while social media is tailor-made to reward it.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 02:07 AM

20. That's not what I heard Rosenberg say.

Rosenberg said, he cannot understand why DOJ would not investigate who was behind the coup. Rosenberg said that the select committee has every right to ask DOJ to investigate who attacked them.


I did not hear him say that, I heard him say the DOJ could be bringing witnesses before a grand jury to present evidence regarding the architects of the January 6 coup attempt while the select committee conducts a parallel investigation. He said the DOJ does not have to wait for the committee to make their final report.

No witnesses have been called before a grand jury yet, but as we have seen, crucial documentary evidence has emerged in just the past week or two.

NOTE:
IANAL, but my understanding is that a grand jury is convened towards the end of an investigation, after evidence is gathered and both informal interviews and formal depositions have been completed, as the process transitions to a prosecution. (I believe this was the case with Meuller).

Things are just beginning to get interesting; my hope is there will be some search warrants executed in the near future.

Cheney has also promised televised hearings in the new year, focusing on whether Trump violated the Obstruction of Congress statute.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:39 PM

38. The problem is search warrants and subpoenas are not being issued

Look at the baldwin thing ,about a month ago and already his phone has been subpoenaed so they can look for evidenceÖ thatís the kind of thing missing from the doj on the 1-6 investigations

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:15 PM

43. 👍

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:47 AM

25. The longer this drags on the more I fear they are going to miss getting tfg convicted

Even worse is the fear that they decide to heal the country by not getting tough

You know the repugs would have been ruthless on day one


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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:40 PM

33. Thanks for sharing.

 

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:42 PM

34. So who would be a better AG to drive the DOJ to investigate? Any ideas?

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Response to ancianita (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:04 PM

40. I supported Preet Bharara.

He seemed more of a go get um person. I thought at the time, and still do, that Garland is too conservative and too resistant to rocking any boats to do the cleanup needed at the DOJ and to prosecute Trump for crimes committed. Mueller laid out evidence of 10 counts of obstruction of justice. All the investigation was already done and the evidence put before a grand jury. Even Mueller said that the reason he brought no charges was the DOJ rule about not indicting a sitting president. Trump hasnít been president for almost a year. The Mueller report has been effectively buried with no indictments. Perhaps it would have looked political to indict him, but he committed obstruction and got away with it. Any future Republican president can do the same because they are evidently held to different standards of justice.

Trump committed insurrection on live television by encouraging rally attendees to go to the Capitol and stop the acceptance of the EC voteóa legitimate government function meant to be prevented by his mob. When nothing gets done about the planners and funders of the insurrection by the DOJ, the public can rightfully conclude that no laws were broken because the DOJ is doing nothing. If anything, the silence at the DOJ undermines the legitimacy of the Jan. 6 commission.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #40)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:14 PM

50. Yup. Preet would've been an excellent choice. nt

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Response to ancianita (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:00 PM

48. Sally Yates,

but it would probably be difficult to get her confirmed in today's Senate.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 04:46 PM

35. I still think

they are...investigating. Every query, criticism does not take into consideration that our leaders know what they are doing. If I'm wrong, I eat crow. The naysayers criticizing do not know. DOJ does. I want charges and individually charged criminals at the highest level. Just like all who are not MAGA cretins. Hopefully, my soul will leave this planet knowing treasonous Americans get what they deserve. And Putin's puppet is forced to join Snowden.

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Response to llashram (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:12 PM

42. I'm with you.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 05:04 PM

37. Ok maybe Garland is waiting for something. Meanwhile he could/should assure Biden or somebody

that he IS investigating, quietly, and needs more time to get exactly what he still needs. At least reassure us that there is an investigation going on. If not, replace him.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:11 PM

41. I would never presume to argue with Chuck Rosenberg, but

I don't think the DOJ is doing nothing. I do believe they're building a case as they move up the ladder of insurrectionists. There may not be a grand jury yet. Either way, we'll know soon. Public hearings begin in early 2022.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 07:54 PM

47. I fear DOJ is hamstrung by 45 sympathizers and a weak AG. May time prove me wrong. Please.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:05 PM

49. I have gathered all the info i can find.

I've read and re-read as much data as I can find and I have reached a conclusion.
I do not have any idea what is happening. I'm just going to sit back and let the chips fall where they may because there is not a damn thing I can do about it.

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Response to old guy (Reply #49)

Sat Dec 18, 2021, 09:02 PM

52. I know that same feeling, and I can't stand it

I was always under the assumption that justice would be done, but seeing the Orange One get away with so much has put me in doubt. It would feel a lot better knowing that those in charge of justice were actually working on stopping those at the top of the attempted coup.

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