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Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 08:42 PM Dec 2021

3 football hs players lure teammate outside and beat him very badly

..and thought they would not be prosectuted?? didn't hide their identity. ?? texted about. did it in public, was filmed. then walked away as if there would be no consequences? they beat him half to death.


3 Texas teens arrested over alleged beating that put classmate in ICU

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/3-texas-teens-arrested-over-alleged-beating-that-put-classmate-in-icu/ar-AARIyX9


Police responded to an assault call around 11:30 p.m. about an unconscious 16-year-old who was bleeding from his ears. When they arrived at the scene, they found the victim, who had been badly beaten, and transported him to a hospital.



According to investigators, two of the victim’s friends lured him outside a home saying that his truck had been damaged. When he was outside, one other person attacked him.

Reid Mitchell, 17, Logan Huber, 17 and Ayden Holland, 18, were arrested and charged with aggravated assault. They were released on a $20,000 bond.

Hagan is a junior at Brazoswood High School. The four teens are reportedly teammates on the school’s football team.

“They left him in the road after they finished attacking him and then texted one of his friends that were in the backyard of this house to say, ‘Hey come get your boy out of the street,’” Cole’s brother Cory Hagan told the local ABC affiliate, KTRK-TV. “They left him in the street, people who were supposed to be his friends.”

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https://lawandcrime.com/crime/friends-allegedly-lured-high-school-football-player-into-ambush-that-fractured-his-skull/

‘Friends’ Allegedly Lured High School Football Player into Ambush That Fractured His Skull

Two teenagers (who authorities did not name in this document) lured Cole from a party on Friday in Lake Jackson, Texas, according to court documents obtained by KTRK. Mitchell then punched Cole Hagan in the face, slammed him to the concrete ground, and elbowed him hard three or four times, a witness said in this account.

There was hostility regarding “the victim’s perceived behavior to some of their female acquaintances,” authorities said.

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Cole, a junior and wide receiver at Brazoswood High School, was put in the intensive care unit. He was able to breathe on his own after having to be sedated and on a ventilator, family said. He took a few steps on Monday, Cory said. The older brother spoke warmly of Cole.
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3 football hs players lure teammate outside and beat him very badly (Original Post) Demovictory9 Dec 2021 OP
Well, Rittenhouse got away with killing two people. viva la Dec 2021 #1
small town boys will get off easy Demovictory9 Dec 2021 #5
Hey, Texas football team! dhol82 Dec 2021 #2
Start practicing your cry faces, sweethearts Aviation Pro Dec 2021 #3
,, Demovictory9 Dec 2021 #4
Their defense will be that he assaulted or at least said something "bad" to a girl Wingus Dingus Dec 2021 #6
Read another article that adds a little bit. Hoyt Dec 2021 #15
Hmm, yeah--the backstory will be disputed, and regardless, this is Wingus Dingus Dec 2021 #20
I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females PTWB Dec 2021 #7
You don't bash somebody's skull in over sexual harassment. milestogo Dec 2021 #10
Legally, no, of course you don't. PTWB Dec 2021 #12
This isn't a simple beating, this is attemped murder IMO. radius777 Dec 2021 #21
What evidence have you seen that they attempted to murder him? PTWB Dec 2021 #23
My advice, when in the hole, stop digging. LisaL Dec 2021 #24
That's sound advice for anyone who finds themselves in that situation. PTWB Dec 2021 #29
So the 3 guys who jumped him just wanted to give Nixie Dec 2021 #39
Who said it was? PTWB Dec 2021 #40
You since clarified you want evidence of murder. Nixie Dec 2021 #41
You must have missed the post I was replying to. PTWB Dec 2021 #43
The posts are there and numbered, so it's obvious your first post Nixie Dec 2021 #44
You seem confused. PTWB Dec 2021 #45
You seem to like the unnecessary sidebars. Nixie Dec 2021 #46
Oh, look, more confusion! PTWB Dec 2021 #48
No one was confused about what you said. They just Nixie Dec 2021 #49
If there is no confusion... PTWB Dec 2021 #50
You keep ignoring that you posted about requiring proof of attempted murder. Nixie Dec 2021 #51
What? PTWB Dec 2021 #52
What evidence do you have that the beating victim is a "sexual harasser". You seem fine with your Nixie Dec 2021 #54
Now you're stretching. PTWB Dec 2021 #57
You are the one forgetting that you asked for "proof" that this was an attempted murder. Nixie Dec 2021 #53
So your primary objection is my curiosity one phrase in the article? PTWB Dec 2021 #55
So, basically, you knew exactly what I was saying, but 7 to 10 posts later prefer Nixie Dec 2021 #56
No, it took a while to figure out that you were objecting to nothing at all. PTWB Dec 2021 #58
Except that you clarified your original comments, and subsequently claimed they Nixie Dec 2021 #59
I called your objections nothing at all. PTWB Dec 2021 #60
Actually, you just tried to claim confusion, but you can't because you clarified your Nixie Dec 2021 #61
What a fascinating fantasy you've concocted for yourself here, my friend! PTWB Dec 2021 #62
Your posts were not confusing. But now you are saying Nixie Dec 2021 #63
Still no reply, eh? PTWB Dec 2021 #65
Your posts have been replied to. Which one of your posts Nixie Dec 2021 #66
Oh really? PTWB Dec 2021 #67
Actually, how it works is that you needled someone for not having evidence of attempted murder, Nixie Dec 2021 #68
I didn't say that the victim was a sexual harasser. PTWB Dec 2021 #72
Actually, no. What you did was implement some sidebars to trivialize what not only I was saying, Nixie Dec 2021 #75
My posts are not confusing. PTWB Dec 2021 #77
Now you're just copying me, which I take as a compliment. Nixie Dec 2021 #81
You can accuse me of copying the word projection, too. ;) PTWB Dec 2021 #84
You said you stand by your original comments, so your obsession Nixie Dec 2021 #85
Uh oh, I better accuse you of copying the word confusion. PTWB Dec 2021 #87
Post 24 has an interesting observation, as well. Nixie Dec 2021 #89
Not only did I read it, I replied to it. Try it with post #54, LOL! PTWB Dec 2021 #90
You should read post 24 Nixie Dec 2021 #93
Wow. PTWB Dec 2021 #95
I bet you are in stitches. I bet you're having a real good time. Nixie Dec 2021 #98
I am. PTWB Dec 2021 #99
Yes, your amusement seems to be the intention here. Nixie Dec 2021 #101
Finally we're on the same page. PTWB Dec 2021 #103
Actually, you just stated the obvious about your amusement and what amuses you. Nixie Dec 2021 #104
You keep deflecting. Nixie Dec 2021 #92
Still fantasizing that I blamed the victim? PTWB Dec 2021 #94
Your original comments were "what if" about the victim. Nixie Dec 2021 #96
Wrong. PTWB Dec 2021 #97
You said you would spare your sympathy if the victim was a sexual harasser.* Nixie Dec 2021 #100
See, now we're getting back on track to the root of the issue. The very post that you keep ignoring. PTWB Dec 2021 #102
You've made several attempts to distract again, but the posts are still there where Nixie Dec 2021 #105
I'm glad you bolded that post (remember when you said no one had a problem with that post? I do!) PTWB Dec 2021 #108
You keep trying to deflect. You asked another poster for proof Nixie Dec 2021 #109
You're exactly right.This is not hard to grasp. This is very simple. Really. PTWB Dec 2021 #110
Your own post 24 shows that you took the evidence of attempted murder further in it's importance. Nixie Dec 2021 #111
It is not my opinion that the victim is a sexual harasser. PTWB Dec 2021 #112
Dozens of posts ago, I acknowledged that you stood by your original comments, but Nixie Dec 2021 #114
Yes, I continue this for my amusement. Why else? PTWB Dec 2021 #115
Actually, no. What it boils down to is you trying to deflect. Nixie Dec 2021 #116
What else would you call it? PTWB Dec 2021 #117
Actually, no. It's been dozens of posts ago that I acknowledge you stood by your original Nixie Dec 2021 #118
And yet you still asked for evidence to support an opinion you knew I did not hold. PTWB Dec 2021 #119
You keep deflecting. And you've been provided your posts to which I was responding, Nixie Dec 2021 #120
I'm well aware of my posts in this thread. PTWB Dec 2021 #123
You keep deflecting. Your posts are there and you said Nixie Dec 2021 #124
You're saying you're harassing me? PTWB Dec 2021 #125
You've tried so many angles of this feigned confusion. Nixie Dec 2021 #126
Yes, it took a lot of posts to clear up your confusion about what I wrote. No problem! PTWB Dec 2021 #127
There were only your attempts to deflect. Nixie Dec 2021 #128
So you say. PTWB Dec 2021 #129
That's all you have? Going back to the beginning of Nixie Dec 2021 #130
All I have? PTWB Dec 2021 #131
This is just more deflection. Nixie Dec 2021 #132
Your favorite word. PTWB Dec 2021 #133
Your posts are in this thread and you said you stand by Nixie Dec 2021 #134
Let me get this straight ... PTWB Dec 2021 #135
Your posts are in this thread. You came up with them. Nixie Dec 2021 #136
There is confusion. PTWB Dec 2021 #138
You already dwelled on this. And you know by your Nixie Dec 2021 #140
Projection again? PTWB Dec 2021 #141
Actually, no. You are trying some confusion angles Nixie Dec 2021 #142
My posts need no reconstruction, my friend. PTWB Dec 2021 #143
"We". No. There was nothing confusing. That was Nixie Dec 2021 #144
So you keep saying. PTWB Dec 2021 #145
They were your posts and you seem obsessed so, no. Nixie Dec 2021 #146
Yes, you keep using that word. PTWB Dec 2021 #147
No. No again. You keep trying to inject confusion. Nixie Dec 2021 #148
Okay. PTWB Dec 2021 #150
Yet another confusion angle. But it wasn't confusing. Nixie Dec 2021 #152
You're the one who keeps mentioning confusion. PTWB Dec 2021 #153
Denial is also a deflection. You don't need to try and trick me into Nixie Dec 2021 #156
Alright, my apologies. PTWB Dec 2021 #160
"Underlying issue" is with you, not me. LOL. Nixie Dec 2021 #161
Also, it's not "banter". Nixie Dec 2021 #149
It is to me. :) PTWB Dec 2021 #151
Obsession isn't banter, though. Nixie Dec 2021 #154
And replying back and forth on a thread isn't obsession. PTWB Dec 2021 #155
They were your posts, not mine. I am not obsessing Nixie Dec 2021 #157
No, you're replying to mine. Why would you obsess over your own posts? PTWB Dec 2021 #158
Actually, no. I'm replying to your deflections which are Nixie Dec 2021 #159
"We've cleared up". What is clear is that you have tried Nixie Dec 2021 #137
Wow. PTWB Dec 2021 #139
And don't put words in my mouth, which is another deflection. Nixie Dec 2021 #121
Your post 7 is still there even though this one was edited. Nixie Dec 2021 #113
You do like to copy posts and then pretend there is confusion when there isn't. Nixie Dec 2021 #91
And this sounds more like projection than anything. Nixie Dec 2021 #76
I know....jesus christ..... bahboo Dec 2021 #33
About the same evidence you have of sexual harassment... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2021 #70
Exactly. PTWB Dec 2021 #71
Lol. Ok. You just floated the idea and then defended the idea. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2021 #106
Did I float the idea? PTWB Dec 2021 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #25
I'm curious also. also, 2 others lured victim outside, why arent they charged? Demovictory9 Dec 2021 #11
There are 3 people charged. LisaL Dec 2021 #14
I took care of a patient in ICU many years ago in which almost exactly this Wingus Dingus Dec 2021 #17
horrible! Demovictory9 Dec 2021 #19
It's the sort of thing that stays with you. Wingus Dingus Dec 2021 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #26
Blood mixed with cerebrospinal fluid is what's leaking out, from the rupture Wingus Dingus Dec 2021 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2021 #32
It sounds like he was flirting with someone's ex-girlfriend. madaboutharry Dec 2021 #28
This is high school. Renew Deal Dec 2021 #37
Surprised that they show the pictures and give the names of juveniles. milestogo Dec 2021 #8
In TX, seventeen year olds are charged as adults. LisaL Dec 2021 #9
victim identified and pictured also Demovictory9 Dec 2021 #18
He looks far better than those 3 Thugs. I doubt this had anything to do with harassment JI7 Dec 2021 #47
that's what I think milestogo Dec 2021 #64
Absolutely is a possibility. He was an up-and-coming football star with 2 more years to play Nixie Dec 2021 #122
What cowards, a three on one beatdown. radius777 Dec 2021 #13
Yep. And if you don't have accomplices, carry a gun. Hoyt Dec 2021 #16
Dumb jocks. Royalty in Tex-ass. nt Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #27
Reid is going to love prison. There's lots of fighting. gldstwmn Dec 2021 #30
Confucius- multigraincracker Dec 2021 #34
Sounds like at least felony assault to me. roamer65 Dec 2021 #35
You mean battery. Solomon Dec 2021 #36
.. roamer65 Dec 2021 #38
They were charged with aggravated assault. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2021 #42
These 3 who beat the other one, haven't got a clue..Prison will be quite an interesting Stuart G Dec 2021 #69
They aren't going to prison, unfortunately. nt Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #73
Are you sure? Stuart G Dec 2021 #74
I'd hedge my bet, of course, but I think they'll get probation at the most. Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #78
They almost killed someone..Isn't that against the law?.. Well?? Maybe these...... Stuart G Dec 2021 #79
Hell, I'd like to see 5 to 10. I just think they'll be coddled. "Boys will be boys" bullshit. nt Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #80
These three left him on the street to die. I believe they will NOT BE CODDLED!! Stuart G Dec 2021 #82
+1, two 17-year-olds and an 18-year-old beating up Nixie Dec 2021 #83
I'm with you on this, but I have no faith in the courts to put these guys away. Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #86
After all, you maybe correct, It is Texas. But maybe some Texans will want to prove that they are Stuart G Dec 2021 #88

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
6. Their defense will be that he assaulted or at least said something "bad" to a girl
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 08:53 PM
Dec 2021

so that they look like heroes instead of cowardly pieces of shit. They're already starting that defense.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
15. Read another article that adds a little bit.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:01 PM
Dec 2021

“The alleged attack occurred after a party in Lake Jackson, possibly over a girl, the alleged victim's brother said.

“"These guys think they own these girls after they break up; they get to tell her who she can and can’t date after that, and they get mad about it," he told the news outlet.”

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-football-player-beaten

Sorry about FOX link, but only article that elaborated. Plus, it’s a local station.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
20. Hmm, yeah--the backstory will be disputed, and regardless, this is
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:11 PM
Dec 2021

not the way to handle it. The way it was coldly set up, three on one, to lure him out by himself tells me all I need to know about these little psychos.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
7. I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 08:53 PM
Dec 2021

will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
10. You don't bash somebody's skull in over sexual harassment.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 08:56 PM
Dec 2021

There are other ways to deal with it. Besides, what teenaged boys give a shit about sexual harassment?

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
12. Legally, no, of course you don't.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:00 PM
Dec 2021

That isn’t how our system works and it simply cannot work with vigilante justice. Morally and ethically, though, I don’t have a problem with a sexual harasser or sexual assaulter catching a beating.

We don’t know what the situation was here and this victim may not have done anything egregious but I would like to hear what they’re accusing him of doing.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
21. This isn't a simple beating, this is attemped murder IMO.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:14 PM
Dec 2021

Three thugs cowardly jumped him. If they had an issue with something he did, they could've confronted (like 'men' used to, if I can be gendered for one second) him about it and given him a warning, and if he continued then one of them could've fought him.

These guys don't care about women - it is naive to think they do. They likely think they 'own' one or more of the girls that they routinely hang around with and don't like that another guy (who is not part of their inner circle) wanted to date one or more of them.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
23. What evidence have you seen that they attempted to murder him?
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:47 PM
Dec 2021

They even contacted someone to come pick him up after. That isn’t something someone would do who was intending to commit murder.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
29. That's sound advice for anyone who finds themselves in that situation.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 10:14 PM
Dec 2021

It's telling that the person I was replying to did not respond to my request for the evidence they're in possession of that indicates this was an attempted murder. Maybe they took your advice?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
39. So the 3 guys who jumped him just wanted to give
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 04:34 PM
Dec 2021

him a little brain injury? but not one that bleeds and all that?

What if the female wanted to make an ex jealous?

What if the 3 guys were just jealous of the victim’s good looks and wanted to mess his face up?

There are so many scenarios that we could demand evidence for, aren’t there.

But a 3 on 1 sucker punch beat down over a supposed girlfriend isn’t an excuse to beat someone to near death. JFC,

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
41. You since clarified you want evidence of murder.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 06:02 PM
Dec 2021

And there are all kinds of scenarios we could drum up that we could demand evidence for, none of which excuses sucker-punch beat-downs to blame a beating victim.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
43. You must have missed the post I was replying to.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 06:30 PM
Dec 2021

That poster stated unequivocally that this was an attempted murder. I asked him what evidence he possessed to support his statement.

Go back and re-read my first post. Try it.

I'll be so kind as to include it here for you:

I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate.


I'm simply wondering about the perceived behavior. I vocalize my sympathy for the victim (and call him a victim). I describe the story of the beating as horrific.

And I close with my statement that IF the victim (see, victim again) turns out to be a sexual harasser, I will no longer be sympathetic. I am already sympathetic to the victim and if the victim is not a sexual harasser I will remain sympathetic to the victim.

What did I say, specifically, that you take issue with?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
44. The posts are there and numbered, so it's obvious your first post
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 06:40 PM
Dec 2021

wasn’t what people responded to. You can copy and paste it all day long, but it was your subsequent post that was responded to. Thanks for seeing that, although you wasted a lot of time with the unnecessary sidebar.

What if the arrested beater also beat an ex? Obviously he is the one with the exhibited violent nature, so that is some form of proof there — that he is capable of harassing females at the party, too.

There are a lot of “what ifs”. To want evidence of anything now seems just a way to blame a half dead teenager, which is shocking and sad, I’m sorry to say.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
45. You seem confused.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 07:09 PM
Dec 2021

Obviously folks responded to my first post as that was required in the creation of this sub thread.

Why are you throwing out so many "what ifs" ? I did not do that. I was crystal clear in my sympathy for the victim in this case and also crystal clear with what would cause that sympathy to evaporate.

So far the only thing you've indicated that you object to is my questioning of another poster about what evidence they possess to support a statement they made. If that's it, well, it seems to be much ado.

Have I said anything else, specifically, that you find objectionable? If so, what?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
46. You seem to like the unnecessary sidebars.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 07:20 PM
Dec 2021

But your attempts to label confusion are also very predictable. What else could you say to deflect from the victim blaming.

The “what ifs” are obviously in response to your “what if” which was to insinuate the victim did something in the “perceived behavior” to warrant violence towards him. So —obviously— the “what ifs” are in your response to your “what if”. So far, the beaters show more proof of their propensity to harass than the victim does.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
48. Oh, look, more confusion!
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 07:37 PM
Dec 2021

I've not engaged in any victim blaming. I did not and do not blame the victim in this case. Nor did I insinuate anything when I referenced the "perceived behavior." That phrase, "perceived behavior," came from the article in OP's post. Have you read it?

Amazing, and just like that we're back to my first post in this thread (imagine my amusement!) after you wrote: "The posts are there and numbered, so it's obvious your first post wasn’t what people responded to. You can copy and paste it all day long, but it was your subsequent post that was responded to."

Let's take another look at that first post in its entirety since you've changed your mind about it.

I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate.


What is insinuated there? Nothing. I was specific and unequivocal about my sympathy for the victim and what would cause that sympathy to evaporate. No insinuations necessary.

Got anything else, RB?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
49. No one was confused about what you said. They just
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 07:55 PM
Dec 2021

found it offensive, which you know and are trying to deflect from.

No one needs to reread your posts since they’ve already responded to them. It’s you who wants to deflect.

But I’m laughing you won’t or can’t own up to your “if” which you quoted again. It’s obvious my “ifs” were juxtapositions to your saying a half-dead teenager doesn’t need sympathy “if” they harassed someone.

I notice you don’t copy your posts about asking for “proof” of the murder intent—-which is also what my post was about. So you are the confused one.

Oh, and I also check profiles as you implied you did…Welcome! 😀

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
50. If there is no confusion...
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:02 PM
Dec 2021

then why haven't you been able to quote something I wrote with you specifically find offensive?

I have sympathy for the victim in this case. I don't have sympathy for sexual harassers. I also am curious about the phrase "perceived behavior" in the article and what the backstory is.

We've already covered my post asking radius777 if he had proof to support a claim he made. That was in post number 41. Did you forget?

Since you'd like it quoted, here it is!

You must have missed the post I was replying to. That poster stated unequivocally that this was an attempted murder. I asked him what evidence he possessed to support his statement.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
51. You keep ignoring that you posted about requiring proof of attempted murder.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:04 PM
Dec 2021

" PTWB (3,008 posts)

29. That's sound advice for anyone who finds themselves in that situation.

It's telling that the person I was replying to did not respond to my request for the evidence they're in possession of that indicates this was an attempted murder. Maybe they took your advice?"

So your own post Number 29 admonishes others for not providing you proof that this was an attempted murder. So quit deflecting and just realize that people didn't like your victim blaming. That has also been explained to you numerous times, but you do like your sidebars.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
52. What?
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:07 PM
Dec 2021

We talked about that already. radius777 posted, and I quote, "This isn't a simple beating, this is attemped murder IMO."

I asked him what evidence he possesses to support that statement.

What's the problem?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
54. What evidence do you have that the beating victim is a "sexual harasser". You seem fine with your
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:12 PM
Dec 2021

accusatory insinuations about the victim, but can't seem to grasp that others have their "what ifs." Juxtapositions are not that hard to understand, really.

You: What if the victim is a sexual harasser?

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
57. Now you're stretching.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:22 PM
Dec 2021

The person I responded to stated that in their opinion this was a case of attempted murder.

I never stated an opinion about this case. I have maintained my sympathy for the victim at every opportunity.

If I had stated that in my opinion, the victim had committed sexual harassment, I would expect other posters to challenge me to provide evidence of such a claim.

See how that works?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
53. You are the one forgetting that you asked for "proof" that this was an attempted murder.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:09 PM
Dec 2021

So that's what my posts about "what if" and "proof" were about.

LOL. No need to requote your original post now since there are numerous posts since then.

And there you go again with the your "what if" about sexual harassers. You have no "proof" of that either, yet you continue to insinuate that this beating victim might be a sexual harasser. That's what the juxtaposed "what ifs" are about.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
55. So your primary objection is my curiosity one phrase in the article?
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:16 PM
Dec 2021

Yes, I wondered what the context was of the statement “perceived behavior” toward these girls was. And yes, I said that I have sympathy for the victim in this case but that could change if it turns out the victim had committed sexual assault or harassment.

It seems strange to be offended by this. I read the article in OP, noticed something that caught my attention, and posted a reply about that. Should I just ignore articles containing such loaded statements as “perceived behavior” in the future so as not to cause offense?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
56. So, basically, you knew exactly what I was saying, but 7 to 10 posts later prefer
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:18 PM
Dec 2021

to just summarize your original statement. At least it's obvious that no one was confused by what you said.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
58. No, it took a while to figure out that you were objecting to nothing at all.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:27 PM
Dec 2021

But we are both on the same page now!

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
59. Except that you clarified your original comments, and subsequently claimed they
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:31 PM
Dec 2021

were confusing, which they weren''t because you are now calling them "nothing at all." LOL.

But at least we see that it was you causing the confusion, most likely to deflect from the victim blaming.

You: What if the victim was a sexual harasser.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
60. I called your objections nothing at all.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:35 PM
Dec 2021

Because you’re essentially objecting to the very existence of a discussion forum.

Cat got your tongue?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
61. Actually, you just tried to claim confusion, but you can't because you clarified your
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 08:52 PM
Dec 2021

own original statements, which you now claim are "nothing at all" since they were your statements. LOL.

So obviously no one found them confusing.

You haven't provided any proof that the victim was a sexual harasser -- so now sexual harassers are "nothing at all"? But you do like your familiar sidebars.



 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
62. What a fascinating fantasy you've concocted for yourself here, my friend!
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 09:06 PM
Dec 2021

Are you ever going to reply to that post or just ignore it and continue pretending like it didn’t address the concerns you’ve constructed and continue to repeat?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
63. Your posts were not confusing. But now you are saying
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 09:10 PM
Dec 2021

they are “nothing at all.” Is insinuating a beating victim might be a sexual harasser “nothing at all”? Do you have evidence?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
66. Your posts have been replied to. Which one of your posts
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 09:18 PM
Dec 2021

about the victim were “nothing at all”?

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
67. Oh really?
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 09:24 PM
Dec 2021

I’ve brought this post to your attention multiple times now and would you look at that, it’s still awaiting your reply.

How inconvenient!

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
68. Actually, how it works is that you needled someone for not having evidence of attempted murder,
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 09:28 PM
Dec 2021

but you have no evidence of the 16-year-old high school student beating victim being a sexual harasser.

Instead, you've insinuated confusion and then tried another sidebar of saying your posts were "nothing at all." You are obviously invested in the sidebars, though.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
72. I didn't say that the victim was a sexual harasser.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 09:57 PM
Dec 2021

Last edited Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:28 PM - Edit history (1)

I've pointed that out to you, numerous times, but you continue to ignore it.

In fact, the post you're continuing to ignore addresses those points. One wonders why you're so hell bent on ignoring that post -- and only that post -- out of the entire thread.

Could it be that you realize you've painted yourself in a corner and are trying to save face?


For anyone still keeping up, Nix wrote:

What evidence do you have that the beating victim is a "sexual harasser". You seem fine with your accusatory insinuations about the victim, but can't seem to grasp that others have their "what ifs." Juxtapositions are not that hard to understand, really.

You: What if the victim is a sexual harasser?


I replied:

Now you're stretching.

The person I responded to stated that in their opinion this was a case of attempted murder.

I never stated an opinion about this case. I have maintained my sympathy for the victim at every opportunity.

If I had stated that in my opinion, the victim had committed sexual harassment, I would expect other posters to challenge me to provide evidence of such a claim.

See how that works?


Nixie

(16,950 posts)
75. Actually, no. What you did was implement some sidebars to trivialize what not only I was saying,
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:05 PM
Dec 2021

but others. Your posts are not confusing, so it's just wasting time to pretend that they are. I don't have to participate in your sidebars, but I do notice them.

You should just quite wasting time trying to deflect.

I've already acknowledged that you are repeating what you originally stated. What you need to do is quit trying to pretend that there is confusion when your comments about a 16-year-old beating victim were odd, strange, and sad. You can check my posts for that comment probably 10 posts ago. But you do like your sidebars...

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
77. My posts are not confusing.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:14 PM
Dec 2021

I choose to believe you're confused and not deliberately making up outlandish allegations because I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you're trying to tell me it's the latter, just say so.

It amuses me greatly that you create sidebars, then you complain that I'm replying to those very sidebars, all while ignoring the very post that addresses the point you're trying to make.

You can get this discussion back on track but you choose not to. That's on you, buddy!

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
81. Now you're just copying me, which I take as a compliment.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:20 PM
Dec 2021

Thank you. Maybe you’ll type “sidebar” several more times and pretend you said it first.

But you keep trying to pretend that you were misunderstood, but you weren’t misunderstood. Your comments about a 16-year-old beating victim were sad and bizarre. Then you claim they were “nothing at all.” But I have acknowledged you stand by your original comments, so it’s odd you are continuing to feign confusion.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
84. You can accuse me of copying the word projection, too. ;)
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:28 PM
Dec 2021

You've taken us on a tangent and are complaining about that tangent. You repeat the same point over and over, yet ignore the post that addresses that point. You mischaracterize my words either out of confusion or malice (I give you the benefit of the doubt that it's confusion), but it's a mischaracterization nonetheless.

I've expressed my sympathy for the victim in this case over and over and over, yet you pretend that I've disparaged him.

At no point in any post have I accused the victim in this case of anything at all. There's a reason you've refused to respond to that post and there's a reason I keep pointing that out.

For anyone still keeping up, Nix wrote:

What evidence do you have that the beating victim is a "sexual harasser". You seem fine with your accusatory insinuations about the victim, but can't seem to grasp that others have their "what ifs." Juxtapositions are not that hard to understand, really.

You: What if the victim is a sexual harasser?


I replied:

Now you're stretching.

The person I responded to stated that in their opinion this was a case of attempted murder.

I never stated an opinion about this case. I have maintained my sympathy for the victim at every opportunity.

If I had stated that in my opinion, the victim had committed sexual harassment, I would expect other posters to challenge me to provide evidence of such a claim.

See how that works?



Still waiting for a response.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
85. You said you stand by your original comments, so your obsession
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:34 PM
Dec 2021

with me must be about something else.

You were not confusing, but you keep trying to push that angle. Hmm. I’ve acknowledged you said you stand by your original comments.

Your comments about the beating victim were “what if” but you feign confusion at others “what if” comments. This really isn’t such a dramatic observation.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
87. Uh oh, I better accuse you of copying the word confusion.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:37 PM
Dec 2021

That's what we're supposed to do, right? LOL!

For anyone still keeping up, Nix wrote:

What evidence do you have that the beating victim is a "sexual harasser". You seem fine with your accusatory insinuations about the victim, but can't seem to grasp that others have their "what ifs." Juxtapositions are not that hard to understand, really.

You: What if the victim is a sexual harasser?


I replied:

Now you're stretching.

The person I responded to stated that in their opinion this was a case of attempted murder.

I never stated an opinion about this case. I have maintained my sympathy for the victim at every opportunity.

If I had stated that in my opinion, the victim had committed sexual harassment, I would expect other posters to challenge me to provide evidence of such a claim.

See how that works?



Still waiting for a response.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
90. Not only did I read it, I replied to it. Try it with post #54, LOL!
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:41 PM
Dec 2021

For anyone still keeping up, Nix wrote:

What evidence do you have that the beating victim is a "sexual harasser". You seem fine with your accusatory insinuations about the victim, but can't seem to grasp that others have their "what ifs." Juxtapositions are not that hard to understand, really.

You: What if the victim is a sexual harasser?


I replied:

Now you're stretching.

The person I responded to stated that in their opinion this was a case of attempted murder.

I never stated an opinion about this case. I have maintained my sympathy for the victim at every opportunity.

If I had stated that in my opinion, the victim had committed sexual harassment, I would expect other posters to challenge me to provide evidence of such a claim.

See how that works?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
98. I bet you are in stitches. I bet you're having a real good time.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:55 PM
Dec 2021

Because the comments are sparse, actually.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
99. I am.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:56 PM
Dec 2021

You directed me to a post, which I replied to, and then directed me to that same post, replying to the reply!

LOL. I'm not sure how you managed to do that but it amuses me greatly.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
92. You keep deflecting.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:45 PM
Dec 2021

" PTWB (3,008 posts)

29. That's sound advice for anyone who finds themselves in that situation.

It's telling that the person I was replying to did not respond to my request for the evidence they're in possession of that indicates this was an attempted murder. Maybe they took your advice?"



So your own post Number 29 admonishes others for not providing you proof that this was an attempted murder. So quit deflecting and just realize that people didn't like your victim blaming. That has also been explained to you numerous times, but you do like your sidebars.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
94. Still fantasizing that I blamed the victim?
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:47 PM
Dec 2021

Still ignoring the post that specifically addresses that mischaracterization?

For anyone still keeping up, Nix wrote:

What evidence do you have that the beating victim is a "sexual harasser". You seem fine with your accusatory insinuations about the victim, but can't seem to grasp that others have their "what ifs." Juxtapositions are not that hard to understand, really.

You: What if the victim is a sexual harasser?


I replied:

Now you're stretching.

The person I responded to stated that in their opinion this was a case of attempted murder.

I never stated an opinion about this case. I have maintained my sympathy for the victim at every opportunity.

If I had stated that in my opinion, the victim had committed sexual harassment, I would expect other posters to challenge me to provide evidence of such a claim.

See how that works?


No response.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
96. Your original comments were "what if" about the victim.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:53 PM
Dec 2021

What if the victim was a sexual harasser. That was your original comment. Others have "what ifs" as well.

What if the arrested beater was the sexual harasser and beat prior girlfriends. The beater is 18-years-old; the victim is 16.



 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
97. Wrong.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:55 PM
Dec 2021

My original post expressed sympathy for the victim and called the attack on him horrific.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
100. You said you would spare your sympathy if the victim was a sexual harasser.*
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:58 PM
Dec 2021

But the victim is 16-years-old and his assaulter was 18. Then the posts were about proof of sexual harassment vs your requirement of proof of intent to murder.

It's really not that confusing as you seem to imply.

*Your post 7
"7. I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females

will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate."

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
102. See, now we're getting back on track to the root of the issue. The very post that you keep ignoring.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:02 PM
Dec 2021

I asked for proof from a poster who stated that in his opinion, this was a case of attempted murder. I never, ever stated that it was my opinion that the victim in this case was a sexual harasser.

You're right: it really is not that confusing. So what's with the confusion, RB?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
105. You've made several attempts to distract again, but the posts are still there where
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:10 PM
Dec 2021

you try and pretend you were misunderstood. But you were not misunderstood. You asked for proof from someone of attempted murder, but you have no proof of the victim being a sexual harasser. It's all so completely simple, so it seems you just didn't like it. But it wasn't necessary to spend an entire evening of posts trying to tell people they are confused when there was no confusion.


Your post No. 7
"7. I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females

will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate."

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
108. I'm glad you bolded that post (remember when you said no one had a problem with that post? I do!)
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:16 PM
Dec 2021

Where does it say that it is my opinion that the victim is a sexual harasser?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
109. You keep trying to deflect. You asked another poster for proof
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:20 PM
Dec 2021

of attempted murder, but you obviously have no proof that the 16-year-old victim was a sexual harasser. These juxtapositions are not hard to grasp and they really aren’t as dramatic as you are trying to imply. They are very simple. Really.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
110. You're exactly right.This is not hard to grasp. This is very simple. Really.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:23 PM
Dec 2021

A poster stated that it was his opinion that this was a case of attempted murder. I asked what evidence he had to support that opinion.

I, on the other hand, never stated that it was my opinion that the victim in this case committed sexual harassment. It is not my opinion. At all.

Clear, right??

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
111. Your own post 24 shows that you took the evidence of attempted murder further in it's importance.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:29 PM
Dec 2021

You suggest it's "telling" that the person you were replying to did not respond to your request for evidence, then I asked you for evidence of your insinuation that the beating victim might be a sexual harasser. Do you have evidence?

29. That's sound advice for anyone who finds themselves in that situation.

It's telling that the person I was replying to did not respond to my request for the evidence they're in possession of that indicates this was an attempted murder. Maybe they took your advice?



Your post No. 7
"7. I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females

will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate."

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
112. It is not my opinion that the victim is a sexual harasser.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:31 PM
Dec 2021

If I had evidence that he was, both my opinion of the victim and my reply to your post would be different.

Why is this such a challenging concept to grasp?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
114. Dozens of posts ago, I acknowledged that you stood by your original comments, but
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:37 PM
Dec 2021

you indicated in other posts something about your amusement, so maybe that's why this continues. But your original posts were not confusing. Isn't it obvious that no one has proof?? It's a new case, so to ask for evidence of attempted murder when you have no proof of sexual harassment seems rather unnecessary.

Your post 7 stated clearly "if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser"
Your post No. 7
"7. I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females

will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate."

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
115. Yes, I continue this for my amusement. Why else?
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:46 PM
Dec 2021

It appears that this whole sub thread boils down to you mistakenly assuming that I was expressing a negative opinion about the victim. Now that I've repeatedly corrected your misunderstanding and repeatedly expressed that I do not think the victim is a sexual harasser, where would you like to go from here?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
116. Actually, no. What it boils down to is you trying to deflect.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:47 PM
Dec 2021

There was no confusion, but you keep trying that angle.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
117. What else would you call it?
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:50 PM
Dec 2021

You're asking me to provide evidence for a position I never took, despite being told repeatedly that is not my position. If that isn't confusion, what is it?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
118. Actually, no. It's been dozens of posts ago that I acknowledge you stood by your original
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:52 PM
Dec 2021

statements.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
119. And yet you still asked for evidence to support an opinion you knew I did not hold.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:53 PM
Dec 2021

So, again, if you're not confused, what are you?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
120. You keep deflecting. And you've been provided your posts to which I was responding,
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:53 PM
Dec 2021

which are still in this thread.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
123. I'm well aware of my posts in this thread.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:06 AM
Dec 2021

You can pretend that the posts are deflection because they're inconvenient for you, but that doesn't make it so.

It seems that the only issue here is your mistake that my hypothetical scenario constituted my opinion of the victim. Now that you've been admonished, it seems like you're at a loss for where to go with the discussion.

I do not think the victim in this case is a sexual harasser. I've never said that he was. I expressed my sympathy about the horrific attack.

What next, RB?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
124. You keep deflecting. Your posts are there and you said
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:10 AM
Dec 2021

you stand by your original comments. This is just harassment now. Your posts are there. Too bad if people read them and commented.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
125. You're saying you're harassing me?
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:14 AM
Dec 2021

My posts are there. Your posts are there.

I’ve corrected your mischaracterization of my position. If you’re not enjoying the discussion anymore, might I suggest you stop hitting reply?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
126. You've tried so many angles of this feigned confusion.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:16 AM
Dec 2021

You said you stand by your original comments, which I acknowledged dozens of posts ago.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
127. Yes, it took a lot of posts to clear up your confusion about what I wrote. No problem!
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:23 AM
Dec 2021

Now that we are on the same page—that I do not hold the opinion that the victim in this case is a sexual harasser, and that I have sympathy for the victim—where would you like to go from here?

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
129. So you say.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:33 AM
Dec 2021

Repeatedly. It sure did take a long time to get here! 🤣

The part of this whole back and forth that amuses me the most is that you quoted my post #7 about a dozen times.

AFTER your wrote this about that same post:

The posts are there and numbered, so it's obvious your first post [POST #7] wasn’t what people responded to. You can copy and paste it all day long, but it was your subsequent post that was responded to. Thanks for seeing that, although you wasted a lot of time with the unnecessary sidebar.


Lol 😂

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
130. That's all you have? Going back to the beginning of
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:36 AM
Dec 2021

a subthread and explaining what a subthread is? You should quit obsessing. Really.



 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
131. All I have?
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:38 AM
Dec 2021

I was just conveying something I found amusing. Think of how much time you’d have saved if you had listening to me when I tried to point that out to you in the first place.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
133. Your favorite word.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:42 AM
Dec 2021

You keep using it, yet you’re not making any effort to say what you think I’m trying to deflect from.

I am eager to hear what you come up with!

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
134. Your posts are in this thread and you said you stand by
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:46 AM
Dec 2021

then, which I acknowledged dozens of posts ago. You just mentioned your post 7 and how often it was copied, so you aren’t “eager” at all to hear that again, so that’s how you deflect. Lol, thanks for the perfect example.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
135. Let me get this straight ...
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:52 AM
Dec 2021

You’re accusing me of deflecting (deflecting from what? you can’t say), by expressing my amusement and eagerness to hear what you come up with?

I will acknowledge that if you end up repeating yourself, once again, my eagerness will have been misplaced.

You’re not going to do that, though, right? You will actually make an effort to come up with something fresh, right?

Surely you’re not trying to say that I’m deflecting from something that we’ve already cleared up long ago.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
136. Your posts are in this thread. You came up with them.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:53 AM
Dec 2021

I just read them. There is no confusion.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
138. There is confusion.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:56 AM
Dec 2021

Because nowhere in my post that you just replied to did I say anything about confusion.

One more time, RB: in your mind, what I am deflecting from.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
140. You already dwelled on this. And you know by your
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:58 AM
Dec 2021

postings what your problem is. There really is no need to make this personal.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
141. Projection again?
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:00 AM
Dec 2021

I’ve got nothing against you personally. I do have something against deliberate mischaracterization of my position, but you’ve been admonished about that and we’ve moved on.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
142. Actually, no. You are trying some confusion angles
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:04 AM
Dec 2021

to reconstruct what you wrote. Your posts are in this thread and you said you stand by them. There is nothing personal after that. I just read your posts.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
143. My posts need no reconstruction, my friend.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:06 AM
Dec 2021

They did need a lot of repetition though. Once you actually read them it seems like we got everything cleared up!

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
144. "We". No. There was nothing confusing. That was
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:09 AM
Dec 2021

just deflection. They didn’t need any confusion angles.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
145. So you keep saying.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:13 AM
Dec 2021

I hope that makes you feel better. I know, I know, sometimes admitting you made a mistake can be very difficult.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
146. They were your posts and you seem obsessed so, no.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:18 AM
Dec 2021

But this is just more deflection on your part, sorry to say.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
147. Yes, you keep using that word.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:25 AM
Dec 2021

And now apparently I am obsessed because I reply to you, but you’re not obsessed because you reply to me? I suggested before that if you’re not enjoying yourself you ought to stop hitting the reply button.

You enjoy the banter as much as I do. Don’t pretend otherwise.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
148. No. No again. You keep trying to inject confusion.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:26 AM
Dec 2021

But really it’s just an angle to distract. This isn’t confusing.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
150. Okay.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:30 AM
Dec 2021

I feel like you’re self conscious about that confusion thing. I’ve not mentioned your confusion about my earlier position in quite some time and you keep bringing it up.

My apologizes if that hit a nerve or if there is some underlying issue I’m not aware of. I hope you’re well.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
152. Yet another confusion angle. But it wasn't confusing.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:31 AM
Dec 2021

And it’s not banter. It’s something else….

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
156. Denial is also a deflection. You don't need to try and trick me into
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:45 AM
Dec 2021

anything or feign that I’m confused to make yourself feel better.

Your “what-ifs” about the beating victim were met with my “what-ifs” about the situation, and I haven’t spent the entire night trying to bully you to accept my comments.

Your comment asking for proof of attempted murder was met with a request for proof that the victim is a sexual harasser (see your post 7 for your insinuation that the victim might be a sexual harasser.)

There was nothing confusing except you trying to deflect from the post contents into some confusion smoke bombs and personal comments. There was no confusion.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
160. Alright, my apologies.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 02:00 AM
Dec 2021

It’s clear there’s some underlying issue here and I do not want to take advantage. I hope you have a good evening, and I’m sorry if you didn’t enjoy the banter!

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
161. "Underlying issue" is with you, not me. LOL.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 02:16 AM
Dec 2021

You don’t need to force confusion on me or imply any other nastiness to correct something you wrote. You can just correct or explain what you wrote.

But you have a good evening, too. Thanks for the basic sentiment you were conveying—it’s appreciated.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
155. And replying back and forth on a thread isn't obsession.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:35 AM
Dec 2021

In fact, I’d say it’s a lot closer to banter.

You’re free to stop replying at any time, my friend!

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
159. Actually, no. I'm replying to your deflections which are
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 01:55 AM
Dec 2021

personal. There is no content in your posts. The content has already been explained. You just want to reconstruct your content at my expense. Sorry, but nix to that.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
137. "We've cleared up". What is clear is that you have tried
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 12:56 AM
Dec 2021

the confusion angles, but there was no confusion.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
121. And don't put words in my mouth, which is another deflection.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:55 PM
Dec 2021

"an opinion you knew I did not hold." That's a hilarious distraction, actually.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
113. Your post 7 is still there even though this one was edited.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:32 PM
Dec 2021

You were confused about my "what ifs" earlier in this thread, but you had your own "what ifs" about the beating victim. "what if" the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser. You are just trying to distract by now changing the wording.


Your post No. 7
"7. I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females

will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate."

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
91. You do like to copy posts and then pretend there is confusion when there isn't.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:42 PM
Dec 2021

You don't need to copy posts that just waste time.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
76. And this sounds more like projection than anything.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:11 PM
Dec 2021

You tried to deflect from your original comments and it hasn't been going well for you. But your posts are not confusing, just obviously deflections.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
71. Exactly.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 09:52 PM
Dec 2021

Which is why I did not say that it was my opinion that the victim was a sexual harasser (it isn’t). If I had made that type of outlandish claim, other posters would have been right to expect me to be able to back it up.

See how that works?

Response to radius777 (Reply #21)

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
14. There are 3 people charged.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:01 PM
Dec 2021

One of them beat the victim, I presume the other two lured him outside.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
17. I took care of a patient in ICU many years ago in which almost exactly this
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:04 PM
Dec 2021

scenario took place: A boy (15 or 16) at a party was pulled outside and basically beaten and stomped half to death because of something he allegedly said to a girl--her brother was the attacker. I took care of the boy for several shifts and then he was taken off life support. It was horrible. Yeah, no, shooting your mouth off (or merely the rumor of shooting your mouth off--it doesn't have to actually be true) at 16 should not equal a beatdown causing horrific brain damage and death. I will never forget checking that boy for neurological improvement, every two hours, hoping for improvement, and watching his family in agony for days while he showed no sign of recovery.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
22. It's the sort of thing that stays with you.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:22 PM
Dec 2021

I don't know if teen boys know how much damage even one well-placed punch can do, or how the brain can swell uncontrollably as a consequence.

Response to Wingus Dingus (Reply #22)

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
31. Blood mixed with cerebrospinal fluid is what's leaking out, from the rupture
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 10:31 PM
Dec 2021

of the meninges of the brain from a fractured skull. It's pretty serious, may need skull flap cut to allow brain to swell, a drain put in place to pull off cerebrospinal fluid to minimize intracranial pressure. Infection a very serious risk too, all of that needs to be absolutely sterile.

Response to Wingus Dingus (Reply #31)

madaboutharry

(40,208 posts)
28. It sounds like he was flirting with someone's ex-girlfriend.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 10:10 PM
Dec 2021

That from another news source. See post 15 above. That isn’t harassment.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
8. Surprised that they show the pictures and give the names of juveniles.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 08:55 PM
Dec 2021

Does that mean they will be charged as adults?

JI7

(89,247 posts)
47. He looks far better than those 3 Thugs. I doubt this had anything to do with harassment
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 07:27 PM
Dec 2021

becsuse you don't do what they did over harassment.

More likely it was jealousy over him getting attention from girls over them.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
122. Absolutely is a possibility. He was an up-and-coming football star with 2 more years to play
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 11:57 PM
Dec 2021

in school and the guys who attacked him were basically on their way to college.

I would bet jealously over the football field success.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
13. What cowards, a three on one beatdown.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:01 PM
Dec 2021

Do people have regular one-on-one fights anymore? Humans have always had conflict, and it seems that in the past there was a 'code' whereby people would fight but it would be one-on-one and when one person went down the fight was over. Jumping people (many attacking one) is just weak and cowardly, and it did happen when I was in school in the 90's, but was much rarer than it seems now.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
42. They were charged with aggravated assault.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 06:18 PM
Dec 2021

Depending on the jurisdiction, the terms are interchangeable.

Stuart G

(38,418 posts)
69. These 3 who beat the other one, haven't got a clue..Prison will be quite an interesting
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 09:38 PM
Dec 2021

experience..But, I never been there...What do I know?...The shadow knows....

and so do a lot other people who have been there and done that..It ain't pretty in prison..Is it?

Oh, and the three were pretty sure that they would get away with it...no consequences at all

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
78. I'd hedge my bet, of course, but I think they'll get probation at the most.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:14 PM
Dec 2021

"Do we really want to ruin these promising, fresh-faced young men's lives by throwing them in prison???"

Stuart G

(38,418 posts)
79. They almost killed someone..Isn't that against the law?.. Well?? Maybe these......
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:18 PM
Dec 2021

"fresh-faced young men" need to learn a lesson..& a year in prison will learn it to them.

Stuart G

(38,418 posts)
82. These three left him on the street to die. I believe they will NOT BE CODDLED!!
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:24 PM
Dec 2021

and they are adults. They knew exactly what they were doing.."They were beating the hell out of him"..

....as they say....and they meant to do it...(it will be up to the jury, not me..)

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
86. I'm with you on this, but I have no faith in the courts to put these guys away.
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:35 PM
Dec 2021

They have pink skin. That will go a long way in their favor.

Stuart G

(38,418 posts)
88. After all, you maybe correct, It is Texas. But maybe some Texans will want to prove that they are
Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:38 PM
Dec 2021
not kind to people who attempt to kill someone...maybe....even if they have pink skin.
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