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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums3 football hs players lure teammate outside and beat him very badly
..and thought they would not be prosectuted?? didn't hide their identity. ?? texted about. did it in public, was filmed. then walked away as if there would be no consequences? they beat him half to death.3 Texas teens arrested over alleged beating that put classmate in ICU
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/3-texas-teens-arrested-over-alleged-beating-that-put-classmate-in-icu/ar-AARIyX9
Police responded to an assault call around 11:30 p.m. about an unconscious 16-year-old who was bleeding from his ears. When they arrived at the scene, they found the victim, who had been badly beaten, and transported him to a hospital.
According to investigators, two of the victims friends lured him outside a home saying that his truck had been damaged. When he was outside, one other person attacked him.
Reid Mitchell, 17, Logan Huber, 17 and Ayden Holland, 18, were arrested and charged with aggravated assault. They were released on a $20,000 bond.
Hagan is a junior at Brazoswood High School. The four teens are reportedly teammates on the schools football team.
They left him in the road after they finished attacking him and then texted one of his friends that were in the backyard of this house to say, Hey come get your boy out of the street, Coles brother Cory Hagan told the local ABC affiliate, KTRK-TV. They left him in the street, people who were supposed to be his friends.
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https://lawandcrime.com/crime/friends-allegedly-lured-high-school-football-player-into-ambush-that-fractured-his-skull/
Friends Allegedly Lured High School Football Player into Ambush That Fractured His Skull
Two teenagers (who authorities did not name in this document) lured Cole from a party on Friday in Lake Jackson, Texas, according to court documents obtained by KTRK. Mitchell then punched Cole Hagan in the face, slammed him to the concrete ground, and elbowed him hard three or four times, a witness said in this account.
There was hostility regarding the victims perceived behavior to some of their female acquaintances, authorities said.
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Cole, a junior and wide receiver at Brazoswood High School, was put in the intensive care unit. He was able to breathe on his own after having to be sedated and on a ventilator, family said. He took a few steps on Monday, Cory said. The older brother spoke warmly of Cole.
viva la
(3,286 posts)They just nearly beat him to death.
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)dhol82
(9,352 posts)Geezus.
Aviation Pro
(12,150 posts)Little trenbalone monsters.
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)so that they look like heroes instead of cowardly pieces of shit. They're already starting that defense.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)The alleged attack occurred after a party in Lake Jackson, possibly over a girl, the alleged victim's brother said.
"These guys think they own these girls after they break up; they get to tell her who she can and cant date after that, and they get mad about it," he told the news outlet.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-football-player-beaten
Sorry about FOX link, but only article that elaborated. Plus, its a local station.
Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)not the way to handle it. The way it was coldly set up, three on one, to lure him out by himself tells me all I need to know about these little psychos.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)There are other ways to deal with it. Besides, what teenaged boys give a shit about sexual harassment?
PTWB
(4,131 posts)That isnt how our system works and it simply cannot work with vigilante justice. Morally and ethically, though, I dont have a problem with a sexual harasser or sexual assaulter catching a beating.
We dont know what the situation was here and this victim may not have done anything egregious but I would like to hear what theyre accusing him of doing.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Three thugs cowardly jumped him. If they had an issue with something he did, they could've confronted (like 'men' used to, if I can be gendered for one second) him about it and given him a warning, and if he continued then one of them could've fought him.
These guys don't care about women - it is naive to think they do. They likely think they 'own' one or more of the girls that they routinely hang around with and don't like that another guy (who is not part of their inner circle) wanted to date one or more of them.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)They even contacted someone to come pick him up after. That isnt something someone would do who was intending to commit murder.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)NT
PTWB
(4,131 posts)It's telling that the person I was replying to did not respond to my request for the evidence they're in possession of that indicates this was an attempted murder. Maybe they took your advice?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)him a little brain injury? but not one that bleeds and all that?
What if the female wanted to make an ex jealous?
What if the 3 guys were just jealous of the victims good looks and wanted to mess his face up?
There are so many scenarios that we could demand evidence for, arent there.
But a 3 on 1 sucker punch beat down over a supposed girlfriend isnt an excuse to beat someone to near death. JFC,
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Certainly not me. Go back and read my original post in this sub thread.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)And there are all kinds of scenarios we could drum up that we could demand evidence for, none of which excuses sucker-punch beat-downs to blame a beating victim.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)That poster stated unequivocally that this was an attempted murder. I asked him what evidence he possessed to support his statement.
Go back and re-read my first post. Try it.
I'll be so kind as to include it here for you:
I'm simply wondering about the perceived behavior. I vocalize my sympathy for the victim (and call him a victim). I describe the story of the beating as horrific.
And I close with my statement that IF the victim (see, victim again) turns out to be a sexual harasser, I will no longer be sympathetic. I am already sympathetic to the victim and if the victim is not a sexual harasser I will remain sympathetic to the victim.
What did I say, specifically, that you take issue with?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)wasnt what people responded to. You can copy and paste it all day long, but it was your subsequent post that was responded to. Thanks for seeing that, although you wasted a lot of time with the unnecessary sidebar.
What if the arrested beater also beat an ex? Obviously he is the one with the exhibited violent nature, so that is some form of proof there that he is capable of harassing females at the party, too.
There are a lot of what ifs. To want evidence of anything now seems just a way to blame a half dead teenager, which is shocking and sad, Im sorry to say.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Obviously folks responded to my first post as that was required in the creation of this sub thread.
Why are you throwing out so many "what ifs" ? I did not do that. I was crystal clear in my sympathy for the victim in this case and also crystal clear with what would cause that sympathy to evaporate.
So far the only thing you've indicated that you object to is my questioning of another poster about what evidence they possess to support a statement they made. If that's it, well, it seems to be much ado.
Have I said anything else, specifically, that you find objectionable? If so, what?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)But your attempts to label confusion are also very predictable. What else could you say to deflect from the victim blaming.
The what ifs are obviously in response to your what if which was to insinuate the victim did something in the perceived behavior to warrant violence towards him. So obviously the what ifs are in your response to your what if. So far, the beaters show more proof of their propensity to harass than the victim does.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I've not engaged in any victim blaming. I did not and do not blame the victim in this case. Nor did I insinuate anything when I referenced the "perceived behavior." That phrase, "perceived behavior," came from the article in OP's post. Have you read it?
Amazing, and just like that we're back to my first post in this thread (imagine my amusement!) after you wrote: "The posts are there and numbered, so it's obvious your first post wasnt what people responded to. You can copy and paste it all day long, but it was your subsequent post that was responded to."
Let's take another look at that first post in its entirety since you've changed your mind about it.
What is insinuated there? Nothing. I was specific and unequivocal about my sympathy for the victim and what would cause that sympathy to evaporate. No insinuations necessary.
Got anything else, RB?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)found it offensive, which you know and are trying to deflect from.
No one needs to reread your posts since theyve already responded to them. Its you who wants to deflect.
But Im laughing you wont or cant own up to your if which you quoted again. Its obvious my ifs were juxtapositions to your saying a half-dead teenager doesnt need sympathy if they harassed someone.
I notice you dont copy your posts about asking for proof of the murder intent-which is also what my post was about. So you are the confused one.
Oh, and I also check profiles as you implied you did
Welcome! 😀
PTWB
(4,131 posts)then why haven't you been able to quote something I wrote with you specifically find offensive?
I have sympathy for the victim in this case. I don't have sympathy for sexual harassers. I also am curious about the phrase "perceived behavior" in the article and what the backstory is.
We've already covered my post asking radius777 if he had proof to support a claim he made. That was in post number 41. Did you forget?
Since you'd like it quoted, here it is!
Nixie
(16,950 posts)" PTWB (3,008 posts)
29. That's sound advice for anyone who finds themselves in that situation.
It's telling that the person I was replying to did not respond to my request for the evidence they're in possession of that indicates this was an attempted murder. Maybe they took your advice?"
So your own post Number 29 admonishes others for not providing you proof that this was an attempted murder. So quit deflecting and just realize that people didn't like your victim blaming. That has also been explained to you numerous times, but you do like your sidebars.
We talked about that already. radius777 posted, and I quote, "This isn't a simple beating, this is attemped murder IMO."
I asked him what evidence he possesses to support that statement.
What's the problem?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)accusatory insinuations about the victim, but can't seem to grasp that others have their "what ifs." Juxtapositions are not that hard to understand, really.
You: What if the victim is a sexual harasser?
PTWB
(4,131 posts)The person I responded to stated that in their opinion this was a case of attempted murder.
I never stated an opinion about this case. I have maintained my sympathy for the victim at every opportunity.
If I had stated that in my opinion, the victim had committed sexual harassment, I would expect other posters to challenge me to provide evidence of such a claim.
See how that works?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)So that's what my posts about "what if" and "proof" were about.
LOL. No need to requote your original post now since there are numerous posts since then.
And there you go again with the your "what if" about sexual harassers. You have no "proof" of that either, yet you continue to insinuate that this beating victim might be a sexual harasser. That's what the juxtaposed "what ifs" are about.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Yes, I wondered what the context was of the statement perceived behavior toward these girls was. And yes, I said that I have sympathy for the victim in this case but that could change if it turns out the victim had committed sexual assault or harassment.
It seems strange to be offended by this. I read the article in OP, noticed something that caught my attention, and posted a reply about that. Should I just ignore articles containing such loaded statements as perceived behavior in the future so as not to cause offense?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)to just summarize your original statement. At least it's obvious that no one was confused by what you said.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)But we are both on the same page now!
Nixie
(16,950 posts)were confusing, which they weren''t because you are now calling them "nothing at all." LOL.
But at least we see that it was you causing the confusion, most likely to deflect from the victim blaming.
You: What if the victim was a sexual harasser.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Because youre essentially objecting to the very existence of a discussion forum.
Cat got your tongue?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)own original statements, which you now claim are "nothing at all" since they were your statements. LOL.
So obviously no one found them confusing.
You haven't provided any proof that the victim was a sexual harasser -- so now sexual harassers are "nothing at all"? But you do like your familiar sidebars.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Are you ever going to reply to that post or just ignore it and continue pretending like it didnt address the concerns youve constructed and continue to repeat?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)they are nothing at all. Is insinuating a beating victim might be a sexual harasser nothing at all? Do you have evidence?
PTWB
(4,131 posts)🤔🤔😂
Nixie
(16,950 posts)about the victim were nothing at all?
Ive brought this post to your attention multiple times now and would you look at that, its still awaiting your reply.
How inconvenient!
Nixie
(16,950 posts)but you have no evidence of the 16-year-old high school student beating victim being a sexual harasser.
Instead, you've insinuated confusion and then tried another sidebar of saying your posts were "nothing at all." You are obviously invested in the sidebars, though.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 12, 2021, 10:28 PM - Edit history (1)
I've pointed that out to you, numerous times, but you continue to ignore it.
In fact, the post you're continuing to ignore addresses those points. One wonders why you're so hell bent on ignoring that post -- and only that post -- out of the entire thread.
Could it be that you realize you've painted yourself in a corner and are trying to save face?
For anyone still keeping up, Nix wrote:
You: What if the victim is a sexual harasser?
I replied:
The person I responded to stated that in their opinion this was a case of attempted murder.
I never stated an opinion about this case. I have maintained my sympathy for the victim at every opportunity.
If I had stated that in my opinion, the victim had committed sexual harassment, I would expect other posters to challenge me to provide evidence of such a claim.
See how that works?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)but others. Your posts are not confusing, so it's just wasting time to pretend that they are. I don't have to participate in your sidebars, but I do notice them.
You should just quite wasting time trying to deflect.
I've already acknowledged that you are repeating what you originally stated. What you need to do is quit trying to pretend that there is confusion when your comments about a 16-year-old beating victim were odd, strange, and sad. You can check my posts for that comment probably 10 posts ago. But you do like your sidebars...
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I choose to believe you're confused and not deliberately making up outlandish allegations because I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you're trying to tell me it's the latter, just say so.
It amuses me greatly that you create sidebars, then you complain that I'm replying to those very sidebars, all while ignoring the very post that addresses the point you're trying to make.
You can get this discussion back on track but you choose not to. That's on you, buddy!
Nixie
(16,950 posts)Thank you. Maybe youll type sidebar several more times and pretend you said it first.
But you keep trying to pretend that you were misunderstood, but you werent misunderstood. Your comments about a 16-year-old beating victim were sad and bizarre. Then you claim they were nothing at all. But I have acknowledged you stand by your original comments, so its odd you are continuing to feign confusion.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)You've taken us on a tangent and are complaining about that tangent. You repeat the same point over and over, yet ignore the post that addresses that point. You mischaracterize my words either out of confusion or malice (I give you the benefit of the doubt that it's confusion), but it's a mischaracterization nonetheless.
I've expressed my sympathy for the victim in this case over and over and over, yet you pretend that I've disparaged him.
At no point in any post have I accused the victim in this case of anything at all. There's a reason you've refused to respond to that post and there's a reason I keep pointing that out.
For anyone still keeping up, Nix wrote:
You: What if the victim is a sexual harasser?
I replied:
The person I responded to stated that in their opinion this was a case of attempted murder.
I never stated an opinion about this case. I have maintained my sympathy for the victim at every opportunity.
If I had stated that in my opinion, the victim had committed sexual harassment, I would expect other posters to challenge me to provide evidence of such a claim.
See how that works?
Still waiting for a response.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)with me must be about something else.
You were not confusing, but you keep trying to push that angle. Hmm. Ive acknowledged you said you stand by your original comments.
Your comments about the beating victim were what if but you feign confusion at others what if comments. This really isnt such a dramatic observation.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)That's what we're supposed to do, right? LOL!
For anyone still keeping up, Nix wrote:
You: What if the victim is a sexual harasser?
I replied:
The person I responded to stated that in their opinion this was a case of attempted murder.
I never stated an opinion about this case. I have maintained my sympathy for the victim at every opportunity.
If I had stated that in my opinion, the victim had committed sexual harassment, I would expect other posters to challenge me to provide evidence of such a claim.
See how that works?
Still waiting for a response.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)You should read post 24
PTWB
(4,131 posts)For anyone still keeping up, Nix wrote:
You: What if the victim is a sexual harasser?
I replied:
The person I responded to stated that in their opinion this was a case of attempted murder.
I never stated an opinion about this case. I have maintained my sympathy for the victim at every opportunity.
If I had stated that in my opinion, the victim had committed sexual harassment, I would expect other posters to challenge me to provide evidence of such a claim.
See how that works?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)It's an interesting observation.
LOL. Read the post you just replied to and the one before it. I'm in stitches. LOL!!
Nixie
(16,950 posts)Because the comments are sparse, actually.
You directed me to a post, which I replied to, and then directed me to that same post, replying to the reply!
LOL. I'm not sure how you managed to do that but it amuses me greatly.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)That part is not confusing, either.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Nixie
(16,950 posts)Nixie
(16,950 posts)" PTWB (3,008 posts)
29. That's sound advice for anyone who finds themselves in that situation.
It's telling that the person I was replying to did not respond to my request for the evidence they're in possession of that indicates this was an attempted murder. Maybe they took your advice?"
So your own post Number 29 admonishes others for not providing you proof that this was an attempted murder. So quit deflecting and just realize that people didn't like your victim blaming. That has also been explained to you numerous times, but you do like your sidebars.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Still ignoring the post that specifically addresses that mischaracterization?
For anyone still keeping up, Nix wrote:
You: What if the victim is a sexual harasser?
I replied:
The person I responded to stated that in their opinion this was a case of attempted murder.
I never stated an opinion about this case. I have maintained my sympathy for the victim at every opportunity.
If I had stated that in my opinion, the victim had committed sexual harassment, I would expect other posters to challenge me to provide evidence of such a claim.
See how that works?
No response.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)What if the victim was a sexual harasser. That was your original comment. Others have "what ifs" as well.
What if the arrested beater was the sexual harasser and beat prior girlfriends. The beater is 18-years-old; the victim is 16.
My original post expressed sympathy for the victim and called the attack on him horrific.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)But the victim is 16-years-old and his assaulter was 18. Then the posts were about proof of sexual harassment vs your requirement of proof of intent to murder.
It's really not that confusing as you seem to imply.
*Your post 7
"7. I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females
will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate."
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I asked for proof from a poster who stated that in his opinion, this was a case of attempted murder. I never, ever stated that it was my opinion that the victim in this case was a sexual harasser.
You're right: it really is not that confusing. So what's with the confusion, RB?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)you try and pretend you were misunderstood. But you were not misunderstood. You asked for proof from someone of attempted murder, but you have no proof of the victim being a sexual harasser. It's all so completely simple, so it seems you just didn't like it. But it wasn't necessary to spend an entire evening of posts trying to tell people they are confused when there was no confusion.
Your post No. 7
"7. I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females
will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate."
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Where does it say that it is my opinion that the victim is a sexual harasser?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)of attempted murder, but you obviously have no proof that the 16-year-old victim was a sexual harasser. These juxtapositions are not hard to grasp and they really arent as dramatic as you are trying to imply. They are very simple. Really.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)A poster stated that it was his opinion that this was a case of attempted murder. I asked what evidence he had to support that opinion.
I, on the other hand, never stated that it was my opinion that the victim in this case committed sexual harassment. It is not my opinion. At all.
Clear, right??
Nixie
(16,950 posts)You suggest it's "telling" that the person you were replying to did not respond to your request for evidence, then I asked you for evidence of your insinuation that the beating victim might be a sexual harasser. Do you have evidence?
29. That's sound advice for anyone who finds themselves in that situation.
It's telling that the person I was replying to did not respond to my request for the evidence they're in possession of that indicates this was an attempted murder. Maybe they took your advice?
Your post No. 7
"7. I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females
will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate."
PTWB
(4,131 posts)If I had evidence that he was, both my opinion of the victim and my reply to your post would be different.
Why is this such a challenging concept to grasp?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)you indicated in other posts something about your amusement, so maybe that's why this continues. But your original posts were not confusing. Isn't it obvious that no one has proof?? It's a new case, so to ask for evidence of attempted murder when you have no proof of sexual harassment seems rather unnecessary.
Your post 7 stated clearly "if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser"
Your post No. 7
"7. I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females
will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate."
PTWB
(4,131 posts)It appears that this whole sub thread boils down to you mistakenly assuming that I was expressing a negative opinion about the victim. Now that I've repeatedly corrected your misunderstanding and repeatedly expressed that I do not think the victim is a sexual harasser, where would you like to go from here?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)There was no confusion, but you keep trying that angle.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)You're asking me to provide evidence for a position I never took, despite being told repeatedly that is not my position. If that isn't confusion, what is it?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)statements.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)So, again, if you're not confused, what are you?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)which are still in this thread.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)You can pretend that the posts are deflection because they're inconvenient for you, but that doesn't make it so.
It seems that the only issue here is your mistake that my hypothetical scenario constituted my opinion of the victim. Now that you've been admonished, it seems like you're at a loss for where to go with the discussion.
I do not think the victim in this case is a sexual harasser. I've never said that he was. I expressed my sympathy about the horrific attack.
What next, RB?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)you stand by your original comments. This is just harassment now. Your posts are there. Too bad if people read them and commented.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)My posts are there. Your posts are there.
Ive corrected your mischaracterization of my position. If youre not enjoying the discussion anymore, might I suggest you stop hitting reply?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)You said you stand by your original comments, which I acknowledged dozens of posts ago.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Now that we are on the same pagethat I do not hold the opinion that the victim in this case is a sexual harasser, and that I have sympathy for the victimwhere would you like to go from here?
Nixie
(16,950 posts)There was no confusion.
Repeatedly. It sure did take a long time to get here! 🤣
The part of this whole back and forth that amuses me the most is that you quoted my post #7 about a dozen times.
AFTER your wrote this about that same post:
Lol 😂
Nixie
(16,950 posts)a subthread and explaining what a subthread is? You should quit obsessing. Really.
I was just conveying something I found amusing. Think of how much time youd have saved if you had listening to me when I tried to point that out to you in the first place.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)You keep using it, yet youre not making any effort to say what you think Im trying to deflect from.
I am eager to hear what you come up with!
Nixie
(16,950 posts)then, which I acknowledged dozens of posts ago. You just mentioned your post 7 and how often it was copied, so you arent eager at all to hear that again, so thats how you deflect. Lol, thanks for the perfect example.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Youre accusing me of deflecting (deflecting from what? you cant say), by expressing my amusement and eagerness to hear what you come up with?
I will acknowledge that if you end up repeating yourself, once again, my eagerness will have been misplaced.
Youre not going to do that, though, right? You will actually make an effort to come up with something fresh, right?
Surely youre not trying to say that Im deflecting from something that weve already cleared up long ago.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)I just read them. There is no confusion.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Because nowhere in my post that you just replied to did I say anything about confusion.
One more time, RB: in your mind, what I am deflecting from.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)postings what your problem is. There really is no need to make this personal.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Ive got nothing against you personally. I do have something against deliberate mischaracterization of my position, but youve been admonished about that and weve moved on.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)to reconstruct what you wrote. Your posts are in this thread and you said you stand by them. There is nothing personal after that. I just read your posts.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)They did need a lot of repetition though. Once you actually read them it seems like we got everything cleared up!
Nixie
(16,950 posts)just deflection. They didnt need any confusion angles.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I hope that makes you feel better. I know, I know, sometimes admitting you made a mistake can be very difficult.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)But this is just more deflection on your part, sorry to say.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)And now apparently I am obsessed because I reply to you, but youre not obsessed because you reply to me? I suggested before that if youre not enjoying yourself you ought to stop hitting the reply button.
You enjoy the banter as much as I do. Dont pretend otherwise.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)But really its just an angle to distract. This isnt confusing.
I feel like youre self conscious about that confusion thing. Ive not mentioned your confusion about my earlier position in quite some time and you keep bringing it up.
My apologizes if that hit a nerve or if there is some underlying issue Im not aware of. I hope youre well.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)And its not banter. Its something else .
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Not me.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)anything or feign that Im confused to make yourself feel better.
Your what-ifs about the beating victim were met with my what-ifs about the situation, and I havent spent the entire night trying to bully you to accept my comments.
Your comment asking for proof of attempted murder was met with a request for proof that the victim is a sexual harasser (see your post 7 for your insinuation that the victim might be a sexual harasser.)
There was nothing confusing except you trying to deflect from the post contents into some confusion smoke bombs and personal comments. There was no confusion.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Its clear theres some underlying issue here and I do not want to take advantage. I hope you have a good evening, and Im sorry if you didnt enjoy the banter!
Nixie
(16,950 posts)You dont need to force confusion on me or imply any other nastiness to correct something you wrote. You can just correct or explain what you wrote.
But you have a good evening, too. Thanks for the basic sentiment you were conveyingits appreciated.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)Not at all.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Nixie
(16,950 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)In fact, Id say its a lot closer to banter.
Youre free to stop replying at any time, my friend!
Nixie
(16,950 posts)about my posts.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)Nixie
(16,950 posts)personal. There is no content in your posts. The content has already been explained. You just want to reconstruct your content at my expense. Sorry, but nix to that.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)the confusion angles, but there was no confusion.
😂
Nixie
(16,950 posts)"an opinion you knew I did not hold." That's a hilarious distraction, actually.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)You were confused about my "what ifs" earlier in this thread, but you had your own "what ifs" about the beating victim. "what if" the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser. You are just trying to distract by now changing the wording.
Your post No. 7
"7. I wonder what the "perceived behavior" that was exhibited by the victim to certain females
will turn out to be. This story sounds horrific, but if the victim turns out to be a sexual harasser, my sympathy will evaporate."
Nixie
(16,950 posts)You don't need to copy posts that just waste time.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)You tried to deflect from your original comments and it hasn't been going well for you. But your posts are not confusing, just obviously deflections.
bahboo
(16,337 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Which is why I did not say that it was my opinion that the victim was a sexual harasser (it isnt). If I had made that type of outlandish claim, other posters would have been right to expect me to be able to back it up.
See how that works?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)Or was I pondering part of the article in the original OP?
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Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)One of them beat the victim, I presume the other two lured him outside.
Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)scenario took place: A boy (15 or 16) at a party was pulled outside and basically beaten and stomped half to death because of something he allegedly said to a girl--her brother was the attacker. I took care of the boy for several shifts and then he was taken off life support. It was horrible. Yeah, no, shooting your mouth off (or merely the rumor of shooting your mouth off--it doesn't have to actually be true) at 16 should not equal a beatdown causing horrific brain damage and death. I will never forget checking that boy for neurological improvement, every two hours, hoping for improvement, and watching his family in agony for days while he showed no sign of recovery.
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)I don't know if teen boys know how much damage even one well-placed punch can do, or how the brain can swell uncontrollably as a consequence.
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Wingus Dingus
(8,052 posts)of the meninges of the brain from a fractured skull. It's pretty serious, may need skull flap cut to allow brain to swell, a drain put in place to pull off cerebrospinal fluid to minimize intracranial pressure. Infection a very serious risk too, all of that needs to be absolutely sterile.
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madaboutharry
(40,208 posts)That from another news source. See post 15 above. That isnt harassment.
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)They should be charged too if they had a role in this.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Does that mean they will be charged as adults?
LisaL
(44,973 posts)And one of them is already 18.
Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)becsuse you don't do what they did over harassment.
More likely it was jealousy over him getting attention from girls over them.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Nixie
(16,950 posts)in school and the guys who attacked him were basically on their way to college.
I would bet jealously over the football field success.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Do people have regular one-on-one fights anymore? Humans have always had conflict, and it seems that in the past there was a 'code' whereby people would fight but it would be one-on-one and when one person went down the fight was over. Jumping people (many attacking one) is just weak and cowardly, and it did happen when I was in school in the 90's, but was much rarer than it seems now.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)I hope Cole makes a full recovery.
multigraincracker
(32,673 posts)"Before You Embark On A Journey Of Revenge, Dig Two Graves".
3 in this case
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Solomon
(12,310 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)Depending on the jurisdiction, the terms are interchangeable.
Stuart G
(38,418 posts)experience..But, I never been there...What do I know?...The shadow knows....
and so do a lot other people who have been there and done that..It ain't pretty in prison..Is it?
Oh, and the three were pretty sure that they would get away with it...no consequences at all
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Stuart G
(38,418 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)"Do we really want to ruin these promising, fresh-faced young men's lives by throwing them in prison???"
Stuart G
(38,418 posts)"fresh-faced young men" need to learn a lesson..& a year in prison will learn it to them.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Stuart G
(38,418 posts)and they are adults. They knew exactly what they were doing.."They were beating the hell out of him"..
....as they say....and they meant to do it...(it will be up to the jury, not me..)
Nixie
(16,950 posts)a 16-year-old.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)They have pink skin. That will go a long way in their favor.