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alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 08:58 AM Oct 2012

Difference Between Obama/McCain and Obama/Romney (Debate 3)

After each Obama/McCain debate, the pundits came on and immediately suggested that it was at best a tie, and more probably that McCain had won. Then the flash polls came out, even while these same folks were on the air, showing clear wins for Obama. The pundits, looking somewhat sheepish, retreated, deferring to the rather clear verdicts offered up by sometimes unanimous flash poll results.

This year, a similar dynamic is in place, with one exception. Obama - in debates 2 and 3 - clearly cleaned Romney's clock. The pundits get on immediately afterward and hem and haw and suggest at best a tie, but more probably a slight Romney win. Then the flash polls indicate a clear Obama win. Not a single flash poll after debate 3 that I saw suggested a Romney win (I'm obviously not counting crazy internet polls - but even most of those were lopsided Obama). Not a single one.

But here's the difference, the crucial difference. Whereas in 2008, these yappers had at least the sense and decency to defer to unanimous polls, this time around they just continue their ridiculous narrative even in the face of the data. It's really rather remarkable. But we should understand this: it means their narrative is out of tune with people's perceptions. Certainly, they can shape the response, but you can only twist a person's own perception so much before 1) you're just wrong and 2) people stop listening.

With the display I've seen and heard this morning, we're reaching that point rapidly.

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Difference Between Obama/McCain and Obama/Romney (Debate 3) (Original Post) alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 OP
"A tie" said first ABC news summary I heard this morning wishlist Oct 2012 #1
Big media has to pretend it's close for the ratings johnlucas Oct 2012 #2

wishlist

(2,795 posts)
1. "A tie" said first ABC news summary I heard this morning
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 09:13 AM
Oct 2012

Obama smacked down Romney decisively, nowhere near just a tie as all the post-debate polls have shown by good margins. I heard one pundit on ABC or NBC say that being 8 points up in a poll when margin of error is 4 shows it wasn't much of a win for the Pres!

Anyone watching the debate could clearly see who was the mature, strong intelligent leader and who was the weak impulsive follower who takes the wrong stand on issues and constantly tilts with the wind unpredictably.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
2. Big media has to pretend it's close for the ratings
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:08 AM
Oct 2012

They're scared to death of people tuning out.
But in reality it's been a foregone conclusion from the beginning.

The Landslide is coming.
Get prepared for it.
Term #2 begins in January 2013.
John Lucas

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