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Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:42 PM

MSNBC

"The perception that MSNBC is the voice of liberal common sense is a manufactured and managed perception, created by people like Vanguard and Blackrock to get more money."

https://stangoff.medium.com/msnbc-is-not-your-friend-follow-the-money-e50d41299c18

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Reply MSNBC (Original post)
gab13by13 Nov 2021 OP
FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #1
Hoyt Nov 2021 #2
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #5
elleng Nov 2021 #3
Mary in S. Carolina Nov 2021 #4
Tomconroy Nov 2021 #8
Mary in S. Carolina Nov 2021 #11
Tomconroy Nov 2021 #12
brooklynite Nov 2021 #6
Hekate Nov 2021 #7
UTUSN Nov 2021 #9
James48 Nov 2021 #10
hunter Nov 2021 #13
MineralMan Nov 2021 #14

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:46 PM

1. People forget how long

MSNBC was owned by GE, a war profiteer. Which still has a significant ownership.

They provide a corporate-approved "liberal" viewpoint. Hosts have about 39 minutes of actual airtime per hour, and for their 7-8 figure salaries, are quite happy to stick to approved "liberal" topics. Can't say that I blame them, I'd probably do the same for a few years then retire comfortably.

It's why corporate media cannot be trusted.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:49 PM

2. Beats FOX. Who is Stan Goff?

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:55 PM

5. He's a self-avowed Marxist who vehemently rejects the "progressive" label by

... by writing a screed that claims people cannot and will not improve over time through the ages, and buttresses it by quoting liberals, some of them out of context, as if to say "look! This guy is progressive and said a bad thing! That means progressives are bad!"

(He is right about Sanger and the eugenics movement.)

Let’s turn now to the history of Progressivism, or the social trends “disposed toward adopting new methods in government or education, holding tolerant and liberal ideas, and generally favoring improvement in civic life.” (emphasis added)

First of all, I am not a liberal. I oppose liberalism. I think it is as insipid as it is dishonest. And this is what “progressive” has come to mean in popular speech, liberal… since the latter term has been effectively demonized, with liberals handing conservatives the stick to beat them with.


https://web.archive.org/web/20110624102317/http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2009/12/25/why-i-wont-call-myself-progressive/


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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:52 PM

3. Sorry, we here are NOT sheep,

we know the difference between b.s., fact, and analysis, and msnbc doesn't scare me. (I 'boycotted' in the days when Rachel spoke so often about trmp.)

PBS is my #1 go-to for news.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:53 PM

4. CNN, Fox News, OAN, HULU, etc

 

They are majority shareholders in all (most) the Media. Blackrock and Vanguard are the major shareholder of AT&T, AT&T owns OAN. What is their end game....to create division so they can have a monopoly and control who is president and our democracy? We need to break them up...somehow?

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Response to Mary in S. Carolina (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 12:21 AM

8. Vanguard is a mutual fund company that is owned by its

Investors. If you open an IRA or 401k account you are an owner of Vanguard. It maintains one of the lowest fee structures in the industry to benefit it's owner-investors. Its founder, the late John Bogle, was often referred to as 'Saint Jack' because he had created a concept that immensely benefitted so many people.

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Response to Tomconroy (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:54 AM

11. Yes, I know this is a Mutual Fund

 

that is investor owned. So, you are saying all IRA's and 401k accounts invest in Vanguard... this is disinformation.

"Saint Jack" benefitted so many people that we pay $12,000 for medical per year, that we pay $1,200 for pills that cost $35 to make. Vanguard and Blackrock own the media, including OAN, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, etc. By the way Vanguard owns Blackrock.

Sorry this guy is the devil, Saint Jack sound very wingnutty...don't you think?

What concept immensely benefitted so many people??

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Response to Mary in S. Carolina (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:02 AM

12. Cheap fees and index funds.

Vanguard owns a lot of stocks because so many people are smart enough to invest with them.
If you ever decide to save for retirement check them out.
Oh, and Larry Fink is a staunch democrat. He would have been Hillary's Secretary of the Treasury.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 12:02 AM

6. He's entitled to an opinion...like everyone else.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 12:17 AM

7. You know what they say about opinions, right?

Regardless, I pick and choose my sources and commentators, and have found several on MSNBC who are honest and reliable. Add to that the Los Angeles Times, and some people here, and I’ve got it covered.

You know what I do with things on TV that are obnoxious? Change channels. It’s remarkably easy.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 12:27 AM

9. I mired through most of it. So his answer is Raw Story and Truthout.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 02:51 AM

10. Makes me so sad.

Hope fades away.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:47 AM

13. Television is not a good medium for news, whoever does it.

The moving images and sounds largely bypass our critical thinking skills, and most of us are too lazy to analyze what we've seen and heard afterwards. Television news is all about emotional impressions. That's why it works so well as propaganda.

Written news can be analyzed as it's read. It doesn't flow by any faster than one's critical mind can process it.

I quit television news and opinion shortly after September 11, 2001. That television news coverage was a shit show.

My wife has never been a regular viewer of television news. We read all our news and have paid subscriptions to several digital news sources.

We don't have cable, satellite, or broadcast television and only see television commercials when we are visiting family who still watch traditional television.

Most of the younger people in our extended family don't pay any attention to traditional television or radio. They stream everything.

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Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:52 AM

14. Guy with medium.com page says some shit...

Gets posted instantly on DU.

Critical Thinking Skills. They're worth acquiring. That is all.

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