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Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:28 AM

Merkel's punk pick for leaving ceremony raises eyebrows

Angela Merkel has left Germans wondering how well they really know the chancellor who has governed them for 16 years, after picking a song by the punk rocker Nina Hagen as the soundtrack for her military leaving ceremony.
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First recorded in 1974 in a conventional schlager style, the song was a hit in the East German pop charts before Hagen emigrated to the other side of the iron curtain, where she immersed herself in London subcultures and became West Germany’s pre-eminent punk figure of the 1980s.
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The song, whose lyrics were written by Kurt Demmler, is an angry lament that admonishes Hagen’s boyfriend Michael for having only taken a black and white film on their holiday to Hiddensee island. As a result, she wails, “no one will believe how beautiful it was here”.

Though not censored by the state, the song was understood by its admirers at the time as a covert criticism of the socialist republic and its grey and drab everyday, where colour films were a rare commodity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/29/angela-merkel-punk-pick-for-leaving-ceremony-raises-eyebrows

The possible meaning is appropriate for her own journey, but she's never seemed like a closet punk ...

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Reply Merkel's punk pick for leaving ceremony raises eyebrows (Original post)
muriel_volestrangler Nov 29 OP
johnp3907 Nov 29 #1
Iggo Nov 29 #2
maxsolomon Nov 29 #3
chowder66 Nov 29 #9
tenderfoot Nov 29 #5
chowder66 Nov 29 #10
Celerity Nov 29 #15
chowder66 Nov 29 #17
Celerity Nov 29 #18
chowder66 Nov 29 #19
Celerity Nov 29 #20
chowder66 Nov 29 #21
Celerity Nov 29 #22
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 29 #8
chowder66 Nov 29 #11
hunter Nov 29 #16
Celerity Nov 29 #4
ornotna Nov 29 #7
Celerity Nov 29 #12
DFW Nov 29 #14
Bernardo de La Paz Nov 29 #6
SKKY Nov 29 #13
IcyPeas Nov 29 #23

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:32 AM

1. Hagen is about as Punk as Phyllis Diller.

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Response to johnp3907 (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:38 AM

2. I know. That's cute.

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Response to johnp3907 (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:40 AM

3. In the hazy mists of time, microgenre distinctions blur together.

Hagen is what, Cabaret Punk?

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:08 PM

9. She's more in a sub-category of Punk

More like Art Rock, Experimental Rock or Post Krautrock.

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Response to johnp3907 (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:50 AM

5. But a lot more punk than Avril Lavigne





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Response to tenderfoot (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:09 PM

10. Absolutely. I believe Lavigne is considered "Skater Punk".

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:52 PM

15. Lavigne was more like commercial mall rat poppy punk, here is an old school real skate punk band

Stäläg 13 - In Control EP



Label: Upstart Records (2) – UP 005, Upstart Records (2) – NO° 5
Format:
Vinyl, 12", EP, 33 ⅓ RPM
Country: US
Released: 1984
Genre: Rock
Style: Hardcore, Punk







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Response to Celerity (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:00 PM

17. There are a lot of bands or artists that are deemed

some sort of punk that isn't really punk at all. I thoroughly agree with your assessment.

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:17 PM

18. another great old skate punk band (very experimental too, they mixed funk in as well)

Big Boys - Lullabies Help The Brain Grow (1983) FULL ALBUM

a ripper



Label: Moment Productions – MOM-BB-002
Format:
Vinyl, LP, Album
Country: US
Released: 1983
Genre: Rock
Style: Alternative Rock, Punk













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Response to Celerity (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:27 PM

19. I didn't really know much about skate punk

There was hardcore punk and punk when I was growing up in the midwest. I leaned mostly toward punk but there were some hardcore bands I liked.
I learned a little more about Skate Punk living in L.A but not much admittedly. I think my tastes were solidified in one way and changing in others.

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #19)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:42 PM

20. Great Midwest band: The Replacements - Dope Smoking Moron/Skip It - Live 1981, Minneapolis



Studio version

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Response to Celerity (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:47 PM

21. Yep. Grew up on them, the Suburbs and the Embarrassment among others.

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:34 PM

22. From Chicago: Articles of Faith - Angry Man, from the Give Thanks LP, produced by Bob Mould

from Hüsker Dü



This song is very early emo/post-punk (AoF were mostly hardcore punk, I will toss in a song (one of their best IMHO) from their first EP too)

Real emo, like Rites of Spring, not the garbage from the 2010's.




Articles of Faith - Bad Attitude



Label: Version Sound – dub 001
Format:
Vinyl, 7", EP, 45 RPM
Country: US
Released: 1982
Genre: Rock
Style: Hardcore, Punk










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Response to johnp3907 (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:59 AM

8. She's a chameleon, but yeah, she can do punk



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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:10 PM

11. + eleventy.

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Response to johnp3907 (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:55 PM

16. This looks punk to many people...



I guess you had to be there to know punk.

And in East Germany it may have been about as close as you could get.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:45 AM

4. Nina Hagen vs. Angela Merkel (ENGLISH SUBTITLES) Nina freaks out. Rampage.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:56 AM

7. This alone was worth clicking on the OP



I will go now.


I will come back in 5 minutes.



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Response to ornotna (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:11 PM

12. Nina Hagen and Don Rickles (she shows her early opera training in her singing too)

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Response to Celerity (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:30 PM

14. Karl Rucker!!!

Now there is a name I haven't heard in decades.

I was once early for a flight from Paris to Düsseldorf in the 1980s, and Nina Hagen and her band showed up for the flight. I got to talking with Karl Rucker, the bassist. He was an American who was part of Hagen's band at the time. As I used to play bass way back when, we had an automatic affinity, and we had a great time hanging around Orly waiting for the plane to board. Nina had herself painted to the point where I don't know what weighed more, her wardrobe or her makeup. She was busy being Nina Hagen, but Karl was just one cool natural dude. He said to definitely look him up if I was in town where the Hagen band was playing. I intended to, but our schedules never coincided.

He has played bass for a great number of artists in the USA, and for all I know, he still does.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:52 AM

6. Her music after leaving East Germany was hard edged rock, but was punky sometimes


She is very talented and capable of singing multiple genres from punk through Big Band through India spirituals through to opera.

And she is a bit crazy too, but in a caring fun non-nasty way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_hast_den_Farbfilm_vergessen

With Leipzig Big Band

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 12:16 PM

13. I'm always suspect of a country and its musical tastes that will still...

...host sell-out concerts by "The Hoff". Just saying...

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Nov 29, 2021, 03:50 PM

23. kind of punk disco



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