Bail for violent offenders and inevitable community harm
Chisholm sticks by plan as family says release led to 26-year-old's death
Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm has long been a proponent of diverting nonviolent offenders from the traditional criminal justice system to programs aimed at giving them a second chance.
These programs have a proven track record, Milwaukee County officials say, at helping drug addicts curb their substance abuse while relieving the overburdened court system.
From the start, however, Chisholm realized these programs could have serious consequences.
"Is there going to be an individual I divert, or I put into treatment program, who's going to go out and kill somebody?" Chisholm said in a 2007 interview with the Journal Sentinel. "You bet. Guaranteed. It's guaranteed to happen. It does not invalidate the overall approach."
John Chisholm, has been a long time supporter of bonding out accused before trial. Non-violent and violent. This article from 2007 shows some consequences of this policy and recent events with the Waukesha massacre show a catastrophic consequence of allowing a violent felon release before trial. In 2007 he acknowledged this policy will result in death but still remains true to his belief in this approach.
Quick check of DU's pulse, do the deaths of victims at the hands of bonded out violent felons invalidate the concept of bond-availability for felons with violent histories or those accused of violent crimes?
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I firmly believe in right to bond and release before trial, but certain individuals being released is insane to me.
If a guy is 42 and gets in trouble for the first time (let's say he breaks a guy's nose in a bar fight), yeah release him on bail. I'm talking about uber violent repeat offenders.
Should place in the never release category. So much harm could've been prevented with him being held until his trial for the initial charges he was facing.
Personally, I would use domestic abuse as a red flag for a whole bunch of things. If you can't be nice to the people you live with...
Especially high-risk DV perp behavior eg. strangulation or stalking.
In the name if racial justice
People who commit such crimes need incarceration regardless of racial status
Let me get out of the way first that I think suspected violent offenders should often, perhaps even typically, be denied bail, but the key word is suspected.
You might be jailing an innocent person for a long time pending trial, and that shouldn't be taken lightly. A balance has to be struck between the rights of the accused and public safety. That balance should depend on the particulars of the case, and the criminal record (if any) of the defendant, rather than automatically treating the defendant as if they're just as good as guilty in all cases.
A couple, a dozen , more ?
There was no way a Darrell Brooks Jr should have been released with such minimal bail just to go right back out and terrorize the community.
stay locked up.
Me attempting to paraphrase his statement from the OP here: The inevitable deaths caused by individuals released on bond does not invalidate the correctness of allowing bond for these individuals.
Total agreement with keeping violent felons incarcerated until trial for the safety of the community.
But merely accused? The right to pre-trial bond is fundamental and we weaken it at our own peril.
The point is that denying people bonds who have not been convicted, but merely accused, is a very dangerous precedent to set. Why even have trials if we can just accuse people of violent crimes and lock them up indefinitely?
Regardless of criminal history, nature of the charge, or if believed to be a flight risk?
Should someone arrested for attempted murder be bonded out to finish the job?
Only under the most severe and extreme circumstances should bond be denied. Those are circumstances where there is compelling evidence that pre-trial release would create extreme danger to member(s) of the public or flight.
on his sex crime charges in Nevada after he bonded out and there has been a warrant for his arrest ever since
he many chances do we give offenders like him?
our system is broken
Bet mommy or grand mommy wont be able to get him out on that.
And he just ran over his wife/gf/whatever.
Human scum. No, inhuman scum.
Or any crazy deep-pocketed individual for whatever reason. Surprised it wasn't denied outright.
He is a monster for sure. Watched the initial hearing today, he had warrants in GA and NV and still was able to bail out for $1000.
With a result of excusing
violent criminal on bail and manipulating the justice system and mental health courts
I would rather see bail for only non- violent offenders.
I knew a guy who got a wrist slap for robbing a bank. He got mental health court. So he was put at a day program I was attending.
I listened to him talk. I pretended to be like him.
I listened to him brag and he gave me useful details of his crime. Like where he threw his weapon when he lied to the cops he didnt have a gun.
He had a swastika tattoo on his forehead and other tattoos with racist and jail type stuff.
Almost as soon as he arrived he tried to get other people at program to hate gays,go along with him with his racist criminal bullshit.
I warned the staff of what he was up to. They ignored me.
One day he brought his buddies in who were not clients into program and they started bothering me and the gblt people in the program,and since staff was in denial..
I had to do something when he began to bully gays and black people
I couldn't just stand there and let it happen. So I walked up to the table he and his buddies were sitting at and I told them you try to hurt any one here I'll be sure to make your time here intolerable,asshole.
Same for these buddies of yours who arent part of this program. I said it really loud so staff would get off thier asses and
would do something like come out of thier damn offices..
Later the criminals buddies were told to leave and the program Staff had to call the police to get his asshole friends to leave.
Meanwhile a girl I was freinds with who was 18 years old started drawing racist shit for this asshole,telling me she was doing it for his gang newsletter.
She never drew shit like that before asshole got into the program. And she was a good artist.
Then one day when I wasen't there this criminal racist asshole and his buddies abducted the girl drawing racist shit for them. Took her right before program ended apparently,when it was most likely wouldn't be caught. They manipulated the hell out of her.
After a few days she escaped and ended up on a psych unit
for around 3 weeks.
Who knows what happened to her .
I warned the staff the criminal was manipulating people and it made program unsafe.
But did they listen? After it was too late and after harm was done they did.
Mental health court like bail should only be for non violent offenders.
pre-trial release should depend solely on the charge(s) and the defendants criminal record
in my opinion
I dont think people charged with serious violent offenses should be eligible for release
Considering the 7 dead, now 2 children I wish the bail was set to zero and not offered at all. Insane.