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Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:40 AM

Memo from Trump attorney (Jenna Ellis) outlined how Pence could overturn election



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BREAKING: another memo. This one written by @JennaEllisEsq and emailed to Marc Short by @MarkMeadows agains tells Pence to throw out electors during the certification process. Information saved for a book.

Memo from Trump attorney outlined how Pence could overturn election, says new book
In his new book, "Betrayal: The Final Act of the Trump Show," Jonathan Karl says Mike Pence was under more pressure to overturn the election than was previously known.
abcnews.go.com
8:34 AM ∑ Nov 14, 2021


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/memo-trump-attorney-outlined-pence-overturn-election-book/story?id=81134003

In a memo not made public until now, then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows emailed to Vice President Mike Pence's top aide, on New Year's Eve, a detailed plan for undoing President Joe Biden's election victory, ABC News' Chief Washington Correspondent Jonathan Karl reports.

The memo, written by former President Donald Trump's campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis, is reported for the first time in Karl's upcoming book, "Betrayal: The Final Act of the Trump Show" -- demonstrating how Pence was under even more pressure than previously known to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

Ellis, in the memo, outlined a multi-step strategy: On Jan. 6, the day Congress was to certify the 2020 election results, Pence was to send back the electoral votes from six battleground states that Trump falsely claimed he had won.

The memo said that Pence would give the states a deadline of "7pm eastern standard time on January 15th" to send back a new set of votes, according to Karl.

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Reply Memo from Trump attorney (Jenna Ellis) outlined how Pence could overturn election (Original post)
Nevilledog Nov 14 OP
LiberalFighter Nov 14 #1
George II Nov 14 #2
Scrivener7 Nov 14 #3
SCantiGOP Nov 14 #12
UpInArms Nov 14 #4
Takket Nov 14 #5
Maeve Nov 14 #6
Hotler Nov 14 #9
Freddie Nov 14 #10
Maeve Nov 14 #18
Hoyt Nov 14 #7
Kaleva Nov 14 #14
pnwmom Nov 14 #15
Hoyt Nov 14 #16
pnwmom Nov 14 #22
Hoyt Nov 14 #24
pnwmom Nov 14 #28
triron Nov 14 #20
Whiskeytide Nov 14 #23
Hoyt Nov 14 #25
Whiskeytide Nov 14 #26
Hoyt Nov 14 #27
pnwmom Nov 14 #32
Whiskeytide Nov 14 #33
Hoyt Nov 14 #34
Whiskeytide Nov 14 #35
Hoyt Nov 14 #36
LastDemocratInSC Nov 14 #8
dalton99a Nov 14 #11
Mz Pip Nov 14 #13
LetMyPeopleVote Nov 14 #17
Dawson Leery Nov 14 #19
moondust Nov 14 #21
malaise Nov 14 #29
malaise Nov 14 #30
struggle4progress Nov 14 #31
demtenjeep Nov 14 #37
NowISeetheLight Nov 14 #38

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:46 AM

1. They all need to be held accountable.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:47 AM

2. She's still delirious from Giuliani farting in her face.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:49 AM

3. They all need to be held accountable but ALSO we need

to shore up the law so the next guy can't use these memos as his instruction manual.

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Response to Scrivener7 (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 12:06 PM

12. Since this didn't happen, it didn't go to a Court

I just donít see any court going along with something this obviously unconstitutional. The only role of the VP is to read and record the votes that are submitted.
This is where the danger is and where our efforts should be: making sure the stateís donít alter the vote results and submit them to Congress, because the Constitution does give the states a lot of leeway in how they conduct the elections.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:52 AM

4. Jonathan Karl should be ashamed

For withholding this information Ö so he could ďuseĒ it for his ďbookĒ

Here are so many self serving pieces of shit in the world Ö

I hate them all

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:55 AM

5. not that i'm any legal expert or knowledgeable on how the bar does its business...

but I happen to think any lawyer that ever gives legal advice on how to commit a coup should be disbarred. This seems like an unethical practice that should not be tolerated.

Ellis, Wood, Powell.... all gone

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:59 AM

6. Dear God in heaven...that a weasel like Pence had the backbone to stand up for the republic

And was one of the reasons we hold the sliver of a hope of retaining it....

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Response to Maeve (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:34 AM

9. I wouldn't give him too much credit for backbone. IMO he acted out of fear not

out of moral values, integrity and patriotism.

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Response to Maeve (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:44 AM

10. He only did when Dan Quayle informed him

There was absolutely no way to do Trumpís bidding. Otherwise he would have in a heartbeat.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 01:59 PM

18. Somehow, adding Quayle as a savior of the republic doesn't help

The weak leading the weak...God writing straight with crooked lines, indeed

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:12 AM

7. While glad it wasn't tried and/or didn't work, I can't get all fired up about legal analysis of

how one MIGHT overturn an election.

Now, if this memo -- or the others like Eastman's -- called for taking over the military to enshrine the worst Prez in history, kidnapping Congress, storming the Capitol as electoral votes are counted, etc., yeah it's time to get out the pitchforks.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 12:18 PM

14. A ploy a number of constitutional scholars said wouldn't work

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 12:23 PM

15. It sound like you're saying that because the plan didn't involve the military, it would be okay.

So, as long as the coup was nonviolent, you would be okay with it? That can't be what you mean.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 12:57 PM

16. No, I'm saying it's just some person's opinion on a supposed legal way to stop the vote.

It didn't include plans to storm the Capitol, kidnap legislators, etc. It wasn't applied, it wasn't used, it didn't impact anything, and I really don't care at this point.

Eastman's memo was the same, just some fool's opinion on legal ways that might be used to reinstate trump.

None of it appears illegal, so none of these people will be indicted. Clearly shows how demented trump and his close supporters are. I do enjoy knowing trump and his supporters will spend the rest of their lives letting his loss eat him alive.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:21 PM

22. If that plan was part of a violent conspiracy (one group storms the capitol to give Pence reason

to delay the counting) then even non-violent actors can be charged with the conspiracy.

I'm not sure being a lawyer gives you legal cover if you're part of a violent conspiracy.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:38 PM

24. If it was part of a violent conspiracy, I'd agree. I don't believe it was. Neither this or Eastman's

memo said a darn thing about storming the Capitol.

I think you are reaching and assuming things that didn't happen.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 04:53 PM

28. I'm not assuming a violent conspiracy did happen, but I don't think anyone should rule it out.

Especially the FBI and the Justice Department.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:06 PM

20. That's what the poster appears to be saying.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:33 PM

23. I think this was closer than we want to believe. The best case ...

Ö for them under the Eastman coup was to somehow get it to the House. That has seldom been considered in past elections, but the process is spelled out in the law as a way to select the prez when everything else goes to shit. Would the collapse of the vote certification process have been enough to trigger a referral to the House? Who knows? Would it have been enough to mortally wound our democracy to simply see republicans SAY it went to the house and declare Тяцмp president? Would there have been another vote if Pence had postponed it?

So many have commented that no court would allow this or that, or that our laws would prevent outrageous outcomes here or there.

THEY really donít care what the law is. They only care about keeping power. And courts take time. The shit nearly hit the fan last year. Will they take better aim next time? 2022 and 2024 will be very interesting.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:42 PM

25. Fortunately, none of that happened and the Courts kicked trump to the curb repeatedly.

I'd bet money there were plenty of Democrats who sought advice on how to overturn the 2016 election (say based up Russian interference) or keeping trump from taking office. I'd be disappointed if we didn't consider it.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 04:07 PM

26. I don't think people in power or close to power ...

Ö seriously conspired to keep Тяцмp out of office in 2016. There were theories floated on message boards, but I donít recall political pressure on Biden to not certify the election.

Youíre correct that it didnít happen in 2020. But not because they came to their senses and pulled out. Not because they felt it would damage the country and simply thought better of it. The political will was certainly there. A handful of people in key positions refused them. THATís what saved it in 2020.

They are very busy fixing that for 2024.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 05:17 PM

32. This was a protest vote, not an attempted coup. They were following constitutional

procedures, not made up briefs.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 05:27 PM

33. Objections and challenges within the rules afforded by ...

Ö congressional procedures and norms. Itís happened after many elections.

Surely you see the difference between an attempted challenge under the rules and an attempt to undermine the rules themselves. There is NO equivalency between the two.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 05:38 PM

34. It was still an effort to keep trump from taking office. Fortunately,

Democrats didnít jump behind the effort, although we might have been better off.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 08:16 PM

35. By that analysis, so was voting for Clinton. n/t

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 08:23 PM

36. OK. You win. Democrats welcomed trump's victory and said the voters have spoken.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:16 AM

8. 18 USC 371 - Conspiracy to defraud the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_against_the_United_States

Explanation:

"To conspire to defraud the United States means primarily to cheat the government out of property or money, but it also means to interfere with or obstruct one of its lawful governmental functions by deceit, craft or trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest."

Text:

"If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor."

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:47 AM

11. Kick

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 12:14 PM

13. 2020 may be over and done with

But these traitors are looking to 2024 and having State Legislators, not the actual voters, decide who won.

Just claim fraud. No evidence needed. They are planning for this, no doubt about it.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 01:26 PM

17. Jenna Ellis, a traffic ticket lawyer became a personal lawyer to TFG

Ellis needs to be disbarred

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:03 PM

19. She must lose her license for this grave offense.

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 02:08 PM

21. Disbar and ignore. n/t

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 04:55 PM

29. Not a fan of Karl but I'm beginning to think that he played fool to

catch wise aka the bigger fool. Looks like he will have the last laugh

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 05:07 PM

31. I'd like to dedicate this song for Jenna and Mark

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 08:26 PM

37. these people need put away

jesus

when is enough enough????

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Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:14 PM

38. It's TREASON!

They tried to overthrow the government. It's TREASON. They all need to be held to account.

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