Manchin's excuses just keep coming,

[duforsure]

He at every turn uses excuse after excuse to water down, stall, and block key Biden agenda legislation hurting millions of people in his state, and Americans around the country . He claims one thing after another not accepting facts, while making up excuses for his actions , and voting against transformative legislation that would change the lives of millions, and at a time we need this the most. This is the perfect time this should be passed , and while the interest rate to pay for it is so low, and his being a business man knows this, so his intent doing this is in question.
Has he found another source of revenue for himself from the GOP from his actions, or is he compromised and being threatened to continue his tactics? Dems need to get a few real Republicans to vote for Biden's BBB plan, taking away Manchin's repeated tactics preventing meaningful legislation passage to undermine his being able to do this. I think he is a fraud myself, and there's a monetary reason he's doing this , and the truth coming out will expose him. I'm done with his excuses, and people in his state should show him they are too, or this will get worse from him and others.

[Tomconroy]

1. Hey! I have an idea.. Let's drive him out of the Party!

That way we'll lose our majority and no bill will get passed.
It will be so great!

[Budi]

2. K & R Also, this:"Dems need to get a few real Republicans to vote for Biden's BBB plan"

"Dems need to get a few real Republicans to vote for Biden's BBB plan".

Same way our genius Speaker Pelosi did in her House with BIF!!

[Tomconroy]

7. Gotta break it to em: Jacob Javitts is dead.

[duforsure]

10. I agree,

And more are seeing the writing on the wall, and know a restructuring of their party will be coming after the former guy's power fades from being exposed, and will be willing to do this for positioning to be on the right side of history, and they're future. McConnell is doing this with the infrastructure bill passage claiming its great now.

[Celerity]

15. You do realise that most of the handful of centrists/moderate conservative House members

who are now playing mini-Manchin & Sinema games with the BBB before, during and after the their preferred slashed up BIF got passed were also pretty vehemently AGAINST (some ended up voting against her as well) Pelosi for Speaker, some for multiple years? Sinema herself voted against Pelosi for Speaker when she was in the House.

[Tomconroy]

19. Whatever gets written in the House BBB is meaningless, so I

Do wish the moderates in the House would just pass anything and get it to the Senate where the bill will actually be written.

[Celerity]

23. I don't trust some to even support the Senate version (IF there's even one). Let us all hope they do

These are the 13 centrists/moderates/conservatives Dems who have at one time or another (some still are) not committing to supporting or even opposing the BBB over the past 4 or 5 months (the timeframe being since the progressives agreed to Biden's topline of $3.5 trillion back early summer, now reduced to $1.75 trillion of course due to Manchin and Sinema, with the progs still on board even after the reduction)

Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey
Carolyn Bourdeaux of Georgia
Filemon Vela of Texas
Jared Golden of Maine
Henry Cuellar of Texas
Vicente Gonzalez of Texas
Ed Case of Hawaii
Jim Costa of California
Kurt Schrader of Oregon
Stephanie Murphy of Florida
Scott Peters of California (voted against the mark-up for BBB in committee)
Abigail Spanberger of Virginia
Katheleen Rice of New York

In fairness to them, five of the 13 above did sign a letter 6 days ago committing to supporting the BBB provided certain targets are met when it is scored by the CBO.

Ed Case (HI-1), Josh Gottheimer (NJ-5), Stephanie Murphy (FL-7), Kathleen Rice (NY-4), Kurt Schrader (OR-5)

The 2 most likely NO votes to watch out for (we can afford 3 defections now, 4 after mid January 2022. as Alcee Hastings' seat will finally be filled, DeathSantis pushed off the election as far as was legally possible, the fucker) are, IMHO

Jared Golden of Maine
Abigail Spanberger of Virginia

IF the CBO scoring goes pear shaped, then watch


Filemon Vela of Texas
Henry Cuellar of Texas
Vicente Gonzalez of Texas

and

Ed Case of Hawaii
Kurt Schrader of Oregon
Stephanie Murphy of Florida

as well



On September 24, Vicente González, Henry Cuellar, and Filemón Vela , all from TX, sent House Speaker Nancy Pelosi [D-Calif.] and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer [D-N.Y.] a letter:

http://www.tipro.org/UserFiles/09.24.21_OG_LTR_to_Speaker_Pelosi_and_Majority_Leader_Schumer._pdf.pdf

They criticised the proposed tax increases on corporations' foreign profits that Joe Crowley (who AOC defeated in 2018) is now targeting for the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association (SIFMA).

https://lda.senate.gov/filings/public/filing/352a58e4-bfda-4719-b84d-66109f865996/print/

Crowley's former leadership PAC donated to all three congressmen's campaigns

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/joseph-crowley/pacs?cid=N00001127&cycle=2018

and Vela was a vocal supporter of Crowley's House leadership ambitions:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/17/crowley-pelosi-house-democrats-526994

“I think Pelosi and Hoyer ought to take the message from [Paul] Ryan’s retirement and realize it’s time for this caucus to move on. And I think Crowley fits the bill to be our next leader,” said Rep. Filemon Vela (D-Texas), an outspoken critic of current leadership.

[Tomconroy]

24. I'm sure Nancy Pelosi will get it done. She's used to dealing

with misbehaving grandchildren of all types.

[Celerity]

25. the irony of course being the majority of those 13 were (some still are) anti-Pelosi for Speaker

I am also (probably more so) concerned about Manchin and Sinema in the Senate of course (and also their possible disastrous blocking of all the voter protection bills, IF they refuse to allow a filibuster carve-out for them).

Kicking the BBB into 2022 makes its passage even harder. Same for the voter rights/protection bills.

IF all of those (BBB and the voter bills) end up failing, we are likely going to be battered in the 2022 midterms, which in turn sets up 2024 as another, even bigger nightmare (due to the POTUS up for grab as well).

We did just catch one HUGE break, as the most likely Blue to Red flip loss in the Senate (Hassan in NH versus Sununu) is now much more favourable for us, as Sununu said nope, not running for Senate (and the Rethug's 2nd best candidate, ex US Senator Ayotte, also said no no no).

[secondwind]

5. I wouldn't be surprised if his own constituents kick him to the curb one day.

[Tomconroy]

6. I wouldn't be either, but he won't be replaced with a Democrat.

[duforsure]

8. Why not get a few disgruntled with the former guy Republicans?

They got some with the infrastructure bill? There are some fed up getting voting orders from an extreme fascist about to be exposed, and being pressured into hurting people they represent . I believe some are seeing the writing on the wall for their party's future after the former guys fall from grace coming soon, and tired of the threats, and the corruption going on in their party, and might vote for the good of the American people instead of a orange lunatic's quest to hurt this country for revenge. Manchin's positioning would be undermined if they had a couple voting for the BBB . Liz Cheney, and others could flex their power promoting doing this , and winning re-elections against these radicals promoting violence, and corruption, and instead helping the American people. Not for forcing Manchin party switch, and instead gaining support taking his power away from obstructing repeatedly.

[True Blue American]

13. McConnell said

” The Infrastructure Bill Is A God Send To Kentucky!”

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

16. I believe Moscow Mitch was referring to the roads and bridges bill that just passed.

He could give a shit about the needs of real people. All he cares about is taking care of his ultra-rich and corporate donors.

I think the progressives just got played. Everyone knows that Manchin is bought and paid for, and all he has to do is run out the clock with bullshit objections.

Did anyone honestly think it was going to play out any other way?

Charlie Brown never learns that Lucy will always pull the football away at the last instant.

[True Blue American]

22. Of course Mitch is talking money

He voted for the bill. Schumer cornered Mitch by getting Republicans on board. If he can get a couple of Republican votes Manchin can be shut down. A few Republicans care more about the. Country than Trump and the party.

[Snoopy 7]

18. wake up

Things aren't passing NOW the last bill passed took 13 republicans to pass. All the legislation that has been brought forward by the Biden Administration has been to help the people, and hold the rich (who have gained billions since the days of regan) accountable. Every time they questioned Manchin why he was apposed to the bill he came up with a different excuse. If you are truly against some thing you stick to your morals and if you change you mind/excuse you have no morals. The media called Manchin's yacht a "house boat" that's BS it a Fing yacht. He makes almost 100% of the average WV citizen of course he doesn't need the help, and his rich donors make sure he remembers that. It's a $$$$$ game to him, who's scratching his palm the most...

[JohnSJ]

26. Not only that, but we will lose the ability to choose judges. A few seem not to weigh the full

consequences of aggressively going after Manchin.

We have a 50-50 Senate. We need to think a little longer term. Win more seats in Congress and we don’t have to depend so much on Manchin or Sinema

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

3. How much longer?

[secondwind]

4. He's bought and paid for, and doesn't give a damn about West Virginians.

He’s only interested in lining his own pockets.

[duforsure]

9. I agree,

And I think he will be exposed why he's really doing this, eventually.

[left-of-center2012]

11. He has a heart of coal

[Arkansas Granny]

21. That appears to be the case.

[UCmeNdc]

12. Manchin is destroying the Democratic party by not passing a Joe Biden agenda.

It is just a fact.

[Snackshack]

14. The Dems

Need to deal with this in a very focused manner. At this particular time Dems don’t have the luxury of its members being “mavericks”. If anything is to get done they need unity now and the understanding that DT changed the reality of politics. The old ways are no longer observed by one side and for Dems to continue to observe them is detrimental to any forward progress.

[njhoneybadger]

17. Alright already, stop beating that fucking dead horse.

[JohnSJ]

27. Exactly. Work to elect more Democrats in the Senate, and Manchin becomes less relevant

In the meantime, just pass whatever you can and look to 2022

[wryter2000]

20. We will never get any Republicans for this bill

We wouldn’t from Republicans under Reagan. I doubt we would have under Nixon. Anything that helps average people is seen as welfare for lazy people who’d be rich if only they worked hard and stopped complaining. We didn’t get any Republicans for the American Rescue Plan when things were desperate.

We might get a few more Democrats in 2022 if TFG keeps screwing up their election hopes.

[fescuerescue]

29. There isn a sea of 50 OTHER senators besides Machin

Surely one of them is going to be closer to our side than Machin.