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Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:04 AM

"This is not a center-left country," Manchin says to @JohnBerman on @NewDay



Has the &*%&#@ even looked at the polling regarding the items in the BBB?!

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Reply "This is not a center-left country," Manchin says to @JohnBerman on @NewDay (Original post)
demmiblue Nov 2021 OP
lapfog_1 Nov 2021 #1
genxlib Nov 2021 #2
Mike 03 Nov 2021 #5
Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #15
Celerity Nov 2021 #6
demmiblue Nov 2021 #8
JI7 Nov 2021 #9
genxlib Nov 2021 #10
Mike 03 Nov 2021 #3
Lovie777 Nov 2021 #4
unblock Nov 2021 #7
Omnipresent Nov 2021 #11
haele Nov 2021 #12
Fiendish Thingy Nov 2021 #13
Deminpenn Nov 2021 #14
lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #16

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:08 AM

1. West Virginia is not a center left area

but if you take all of the voters in the USA and categorize us by far right, center right, middle, center left, far left...

We are, in fact, a center left nation.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:15 AM

2. Here is the problem

Based on individual politics, we are a center left country

Based on structural politics, we are center right (or even a right wing) country.

That has to do with structural bias in the Senate, Electoral College, voting restrictions, gerrymandering not to mention the secondary effects that those biases have on the courts and other institutions.

This is what makes it so frustrating to be a Democrat. Being in the majority isn't enough to actually get things done and it sucks.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:19 AM

5. Good insight.

This is why the often-cited fact that "we are the majority" (which I hear every day on Progressive radio) isn't as comforting today as it used to be. Wasn't only 15% (?) of Italy Fascist when Mussolini took over? It doesn't take that many people to overthrow a system of government.

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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 11:11 AM

15. Historically, "populist" political movements are not majorities...

generally they are very loud minorities.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:21 AM

6. good post about the reality of the ideological scales in the US

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Response to genxlib (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:24 AM

8. Well stated.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:32 AM

9. It's not really center left either . But it depends on the issue. Even blue states vote against

many left leaning things. The more recent is getting rid of the police dept and replacing it with something else in Minneapolis .

But things like paid family leave do have large majority support so in that case what you describe is true.

And another thing is people would vote for the candidate that opposes paid family leave if they support keeping the police dept over a candidate that would support family leave while supporting getting rid of the police dept .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:45 AM

10. I think what you are getting at is all true

But I wouldn't characterize the police initiative as "left-leaning". I don't know much about it but it sounded pretty left wing. So it doesn't surprise me that it failed because the entire "defund the police" movement was not nearly as mainstream as the right wing made it sound. At least as it relates to complete defunding as opposed to reform.

Which speaks to your point about how people would support someone against that initiative even if they were against something like paid family leave. It is simply a bridge too far for most people.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:16 AM

3. He's scampering around like crazy in search of cover for saying "No" to

our agenda. More than anything, I wonder if West Virginians read the newspapers and realize what he is attempting to deprive them of. Doesn't he get local blowback from anybody? How do the WV newspapers handle him?

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:17 AM

4. Senator, who cares . ..

This is to help the working class and poor. Obviouly you don't care. Apparently you and the GQP feel threaten and feel that you guys will lose power and lots and lots of money. And I guess that is the whole point.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:23 AM

7. Center/center-right countries don't want crumbling bridges and a fascist government

Even if he's right, (he's right about West Virginia, but not about America) he should still support Biden and the bill. America wants to pull back from government negligence and the fascist abyss.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:53 AM

11. Why is he a Democrat?

I would really like to hear from Manchinís mouth, as to why he is a Democrat.

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Response to Omnipresent (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 10:39 AM

12. Because he can't make it through a GOP primary?

And while there's a lot of religious wingnuts in WV, there are probably more centerist independent types that if given a good ol boy coal type to vote for, they would prefer to vote Dixiecrat like grandpappy than vote Republican, especially if they feel their Dixiecrat will poke a finger in the eye of those damn fool elitist liberals that seem to have took over their party.

Haele

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 11:07 AM

13. And yet, a super majority of voters support most of the elements of BBB. Nt

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 11:07 AM

14. Nope

Americans are liberal-libertarian.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 11:12 AM

16. Looking at BBBB polls, I'd say we are left, not center-left.

So I half agree with Senator ManChild.

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