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Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:03 AM

A big part of our problem is white people

A big part of our problem is white people cannot wrap their heads around the fact that POC are Americans. They are so scared of POC (and specifically black people) that they will vote against their own best interests in order to stop from having to come to grips with that fact. Hell they cannot even accept our own history of what happened in this country. Until people come to grips with the fact that when POC people are struggling, hurting, or being mistreated, Americans are hurting we will never move on. Republicans love to push this button.

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Reply A big part of our problem is white people (Original post)
CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 OP
marble falls Nov 2021 #1
InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2021 #3
Bettie Nov 2021 #5
CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #8
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #52
cilla4progress Nov 2021 #2
CrispyQ Nov 2021 #4
rickyhall Nov 2021 #6
Amishman Nov 2021 #14
lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #30
LakeArenal Nov 2021 #7
Mossfern Nov 2021 #9
CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #10
BComplex Nov 2021 #15
hamsterjill Nov 2021 #17
lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #31
yardwork Nov 2021 #38
Busterscruggs Nov 2021 #11
BannonsLiver Nov 2021 #12
Celerity Nov 2021 #18
Busterscruggs Nov 2021 #22
Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #29
ismnotwasm Nov 2021 #13
CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #20
CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #27
sarcasmo Nov 2021 #16
CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #19
sarcasmo Nov 2021 #21
CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #28
BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #23
Busterscruggs Nov 2021 #24
Decoy of Fenris Nov 2021 #25
Post removed Nov 2021 #26
lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #32
CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #33
lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #34
MrsCoffee Nov 2021 #35
CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #37
lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #42
Devil Child Nov 2021 #40
LakeArenal Nov 2021 #45
CrackityJones75 Nov 2021 #47
LakeArenal Nov 2021 #49
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #43
yardwork Nov 2021 #36
WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2021 #39
NNadir Nov 2021 #41
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #44
LakeArenal Nov 2021 #46
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #48
LakeArenal Nov 2021 #50
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2021 #51

Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:07 AM

1. Institutional racism is the continuing cause.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:13 AM

3. Yes, exactly... and it's time to dismantle those racist institutions, pronto!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:15 AM

5. Except even mentioning those institutions

makes the white people angry. Suggesting that maybe white people aren't superior to everyone else makes them nuts.

Not all of us, but a larger number than is good for our society.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:35 AM

8. Bingo!

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:49 PM

52. Reframe

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:11 AM

2. America is and always has been a fundamentally

Conservative country.

Some might say regressive. Others, shithole.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:14 AM

4. I think it's less about how Whites treated POC, vs that we're saying that treatment is wrong

& needs to change.

There is a segment of Whites who believe they are superior & that basically gives them the right to treat others however they want. I also think they believe that White bad behavior was limited to a few bad apples, hence their complete resistance to the idea of institutional racism.

They are bigots who don't want to acknowledge that much of their own success & prosperity in life was gotten by exploration of others, & they don't want that taught to their kids.

Seen on Facebook:

The people who threw rocks at six-year-old Ruby Bridges for going to school, don't want their grandchildren to know that they threw rocks at a little girl for going to school.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:19 AM

6. It's sleight of hand, misdirection. We're told it's the Whites vs. POC, LGBTQ, Disabled & the Poor.

when in reality it's The Rich vs. the Rest of Us. If the Whites ever realize this it'll be new ball game. But that's a very, very big IF.

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:13 PM

14. bingo! the larger root cause of racial economic inequality is the lack of upward mobility

Between debt traps, unequal education opportunities, and wage stagnation; its harder than ever to pull yourself up. The rich have stacked the deck to keep the current economic strata in place, and preserve their place at the top.

Those who were at the bottom when the ladder was removed are trapped there. Due to past racial inequalities, those at the top tend to be white, and those at the bottom tend to be not.

Finishing removing the social aspect of racism still will not fix the economic inequality that exists. However resolving the latter will help the former fade away.

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 11:00 AM

30. Racism is a tool of the uber-rich.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:27 AM

7. I agree. But not all white people are hateful.

Hateful people are fearful of POC taking over their white world.

They donít realize that the white world is collapsing. It has been for sometime.

Almost everyone finds out in DNA testing that they are much more than white.

By 2050 I think I read, The US will be all mixed in the DNA.

As a Gringo living in a Latin American country, itís fine to be a minority here. Be nice and get nice in return. Easy peasy.

US should try it. Be nice get nice.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:41 AM

9. I think I'm a white person....

This doesn't resonate with me.
Maybe some here talk about "white people" the way they disdain the way "white people" talk about "black people."

It's a very divisive stance.

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:43 AM

10. Good for you. So am I.

You are not white people. You are a white person.

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:29 PM

15. Me, too. And I march and vote and stand up.

It's not white people that are the problem. It's ignorance, stupidity, and ignorant racists that are the problem. The vast majority of them are white, but not all white people are racists. Just like not all black people vote for the democratic candidate.

A stereotype is a stereotype. I don't care who you are.



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Response to BComplex (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:46 PM

17. Well said.

Absolutely correct. A stereotype is a stereotype.

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 11:01 AM

31. Thank you. Generalizing about white people is not helpful.

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:41 PM

38. I disagree, and I'm white. It's not divisive to face facts.

The fact is that a majority of white people - in election after election - vote for Republicans and against their own interests. WTF just happened in Virginia? I'll tell you. A bunch of white suburbanites - and I'm one, so believe me I know - allowed Fox News and their Facebook feeds to panic themselves that schools might actually teach actual facts about this country's ongoing history of institutional racism and genocide. So these white suburban moms and dads rushed to the polls and elected a stone cold racist, because... panic.

Of course we're not all like that. But too many of us are. Frankly, people of color save this country over and over by reliably voting Democratic. WTF white people.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 11:56 AM

11. It sickens me

 

That they used a black immigrant to claim that lieutenant governor spot. They're using her to further their racist agenda. Somebody really needs to reach out to her and explain the facts. Has anyone else seen that campaign sign with her holding an assault rifle? Just sickening.

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Response to Busterscruggs (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:04 PM

12. Maybe she's just a bad apple?

They come in ALL colors.

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Response to Busterscruggs (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:56 PM

18. she is an ex Marine



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Response to Celerity (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:58 PM

22. You would think

 

A marine would know better than to cast her lot in with those rethugs

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Response to Busterscruggs (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 10:52 AM

29. The Marine Corps "mystique" is largely built on toxic masculinity...

More of them support trumpism because of that than you would think.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:09 PM

13. Whiteness as a social construct didn't used to exist

It was nurtured into life a few centuries ago. And itís been a regressive fucked up way to live ever since.

Hopefully we are emerging, slowly. It will take a long time because people who benefit are comfy with it.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:25 PM

20. Exactly what I am talking about.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 08:49 AM

27. I hear that.

It would be beautiful to see that day. Unfortunately I think it is beyond my time on this planet.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 12:40 PM

16. Statements like this are why the right screams, reverse racism.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:25 PM

19. Possibly. Doesn't make it untrue.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 01:43 PM

21. Broad brush statements are always false.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 08:49 AM

28. Sure.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 02:05 PM

23. How was the black turnout in VA?

Anyone checked that out?

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 08:53 PM

24. Whatever it was

 

It wasn't enough, just like everyone else. I suspect the Repubs were manipulating the polls or suppressing turnout somehow. I wouldn't put anything past them, there is no low far enough for them.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 3, 2021, 09:00 PM

25. 80+% I think. n/t

 

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 11:14 AM

32. Nice racist post.

Way to alienate allies.

If, indeed, you view white Democrats as allies. Or any Democrats?

You do realize that there are white people at DU, and they are supportive of the rights of POC?

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:27 PM

33. Not racist at all.

I am white.

You can take my post as racist if you like but you are wrong. White people in this country have been committing and getting away with some of the most deplorable shit and usually because white people as a whole donít care to do anything about it. Thats the truth. Sorry if that gets your feelers all worked up.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:32 PM

34. You generalized about white people.

That is a divisive group attack.

If you you are not trying to sow division, I suggest you qualify the words to be more accurate.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:32 PM

35. +1

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:37 PM

37. You can suggest until you are blue in the face

IDGAF.


It is time white people in this country got over their bullshit NIMBYism, their irrational fear of brown people and stopped being so damned gullible.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #37)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 01:21 PM

42. OK. So the divisive group attack is not accidental.

Noted.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:50 PM

40. +1 lagomorph777

 

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:32 PM

45. You say you're white. So okay. But you can only speak for you.

You canít speak for everyone white, black or indifferent.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #45)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:35 PM

47. Gosh yer pretty smart.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:17 PM

49. Gosh by cracky... Ain't you sweet.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:08 PM

43. +1,000,000

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:35 PM

36. This white person agrees with you.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:49 PM

39. K&R.

Until people come to grips with the fact that when POC people are struggling, hurting, or being mistreated, Americans are hurting we will never move on.


I would add that the white supremacy we live in benefits all white people. All of them. And white people who don't acknowledge that and work to dismantle it are helping perpetrate it.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Thu Nov 4, 2021, 12:52 PM

41. On some level I agree but I wonder if you feel we white people should all...

...kill ourselves.

I might suggest that you read Rita Mae Brown's long ago "Plain Brown Wrapper" where she writes about her experience in advancing lesbian rights.

She remarked at one point that one thing she found difficult to learn, but learned all the same was that not all men were the enemy.

I was briefly a gay woman's experiment in heterosexuality, and as such, was once in a while a guest in the gay women's community. It did seem that many of my then lover's friends didn't get Ms. Brown's advice.

Racism is a common disease among old fat dullard white men like me, but some of us have developed immunity and are thus asymptomatic.

I don't know that a privileged group, of which I am a guilty member has the right to ask any other group to break the cycle of racism, but I hope all human beings can learn to see our humanity before our so called "race."

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Original post)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:09 PM

44. Are you the reincarnated????????

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #44)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:33 PM

46. Here we go again.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #46)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 10:59 PM

48. Exactly!!! Wish there was a " preaching to the choir" alert:)

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #48)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:18 PM

50. See #47.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #50)

Sun Nov 14, 2021, 11:22 PM

51. Guess someone has to find and ditch all the aliases

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