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malaise

(276,032 posts)
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:42 AM Oct 2021

Let me make this pellucidly clear

Last edited Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:17 AM - Edit history (1)

Shortages and supply chain issues have nothing to do with the Federal government or state governments. Those are private sector matters brought about by the pandemic.

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Let me make this pellucidly clear (Original Post) malaise Oct 2021 OP
If only this country had enough intelligent people that realized this truth. Instead, bullwinkle428 Oct 2021 #1
Wish I could rec for malaise Oct 2021 #2
I have to give credit to John Fugelsang, who is my primary source for bullwinkle428 Oct 2021 #13
Love it malaise Oct 2021 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Oct 2021 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Oct 2021 #3
I think we can end the thread MontanaMama Oct 2021 #34
You know that and I know that... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2021 #4
thanks sheilahi Oct 2021 #5
That was my first thought. Ka-Dinh Oy Oct 2021 #35
What? Capitalism doesn't optimize for reliability. plimsoll Oct 2021 #6
+1,000,000. Add the "d" :) Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2021 #7
Ha malaise Oct 2021 #8
Great minds think alike and so do we :) Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2021 #26
Ha malaise Oct 2021 #9
Great minds think alike and so do we :) Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2021 #25
Facts don't matter when your head is in the gQp party Hulk Oct 2021 #10
It's pretty simple really Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #11
Is this some kind of talking point or something? Farmer-Rick Oct 2021 #31
Yes ReTHUGs are trying to blame Biden for supply problems malaise Oct 2021 #37
Ahhhh Farmer-Rick Oct 2021 #39
Transparently clear....new word to my 74 year old vocabulary Hulk Oct 2021 #12
I stole it from one of our union leaders years ago malaise Oct 2021 #21
Those that worship the Holy Free Market multigraincracker Oct 2021 #14
True, but they can impact the economy berni_mccoy Oct 2021 #15
I agree re the management of the pandemic malaise Oct 2021 #24
40 plus years in the making NHvet Oct 2021 #16
What they do is credit themselves for anything that works malaise Oct 2021 #23
Yup, "free" trade removed the remains of regulations from the supply lines Farmer-Rick Oct 2021 #19
Well said malaise Oct 2021 #22
Correct you are..... NHvet Oct 2021 #27
Brought on by the pandemic, which wouldn't be nearly as bad Martin Eden Oct 2021 #20
That's the truth malaise Oct 2021 #29
Bingo! geardaddy Oct 2021 #28
Don't Moscow Mitch and his wife, former Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chau .. IggleDuer Oct 2021 #30
The empty shipping containers need to be loaded onto ships and taken back to China FakeNoose Oct 2021 #32
By predicting it, it becomes inevitable. rickyhall Oct 2021 #33
too many truck, rail, and warehouse workers are too Trumpified to wear their masks paulkienitz Oct 2021 #36
Unfortunately, we can't expect the average person to make this association. Moebym Oct 2021 #38
I do think the previous administration scared a lot of Boomers into early retirement nt Shermann Oct 2021 #40
That's not been talked about enough, as far as I'm concerned. llmart Oct 2021 #42
It's been predicted for a long time Shermann Oct 2021 #47
Clearly clear. EarnestPutz Oct 2021 #41
Malaise, we might note the public sector's key part of our supply chain is relatively healthy. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2021 #43
Oh yes -the government's role is related to infrastructure and malaise Oct 2021 #45
MSM in conjunction with the conservatronic PTB are Carterizing their own creation. jaxexpat Oct 2021 #44
Great post malaise Oct 2021 #46

bullwinkle428

(20,639 posts)
1. If only this country had enough intelligent people that realized this truth. Instead,
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:48 AM
Oct 2021

we have 74 million people that voted for the Grand Venereal Wizard.

Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #13)

Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #1)

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
4. You know that and I know that...
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:58 AM
Oct 2021

...but the general public does not, and there's probably not much we can do at this point to educate them or assuage their concerns. It might not be fair, but like it or not the impetus is now on the government to do something to address the problem.

sheilahi

(277 posts)
5. thanks
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:08 AM
Oct 2021

Thanks Malaise. Now you've made me get up and find my dictionary to look up "pecllucily". I need to be talked to like I'm three. Lol

plimsoll

(1,690 posts)
6. What? Capitalism doesn't optimize for reliability.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:09 AM
Oct 2021

Who knew?

Let's see. Texas power grid. Supply chain. The list goes on and on with less publicly humiliating failures.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
10. Facts don't matter when your head is in the gQp party
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:26 AM
Oct 2021

Good you spread the message. fox-propaganda will continue to pin everything wrong on Biden and this administration.

Keep posting and spead the word like a mantra.

Johnny2X2X

(21,247 posts)
11. It's pretty simple really
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:30 AM
Oct 2021

People have been sitting at home because of the pandemic, they've not spent money on travel. So with the extra money, they bought stuff online at higher rates. That depleted the supply chain. Coupled with some Covid based factory pauses and shutdowns, you have what we have. And it's far from a crisis, it's merely some inconvenience.

Farmer-Rick

(11,009 posts)
31. Is this some kind of talking point or something?
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 10:21 AM
Oct 2021

I've heard this before, especially from the GOP types around here in the South.

Everyone is staying home and so have extra money. We never traveled before the pandemic. Travel was a special treat we reserved for holidays or anniversaries. Maybe we traveled once every 5 years. Yeah, we spent money on gas, but since we were farmers, I still bought gas for our tractors and farm equipment during the pandemic. Were normal people traveling alot outside of work? This sounds like what a rich person thinks inside their bubble. Losing a job cost a lot more than paying for gas to get there. It did not equal out for many workers.

I got no extra money, aside from the meager lump sum payments the government daned to handout after giving billions to billionaires. But that little bit is long, long gone. I'm certainly not using it now to buy luxuries.

So, where is all this extra money people say we all have? I've been hearing about it. But why didn't I get any of it?

malaise

(276,032 posts)
21. I stole it from one of our union leaders years ago
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:43 AM
Oct 2021

He could not resist being repetitive, but there's a great read on its use at the US Supreme Court

http://www.newyorkcourtwatcher.com/2009/12/pellucidly-clear-at-supreme-court-ny.html

multigraincracker

(33,672 posts)
14. Those that worship the Holy Free Market
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:33 AM
Oct 2021

think the market can solve everything. They should use the country with the least government interference. Somalia, the Libertarian Dream, low taxes and little government interference.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
15. True, but they can impact the economy
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:34 AM
Oct 2021

And when it impacts the economy, it becomes Biden’s problem. And Public Health is under the realm of the government. So managing the pandemic is Biden’s concern.

You can’t just pull these issues apart. They are all interconnected.

NHvet

(250 posts)
16. 40 plus years in the making
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:35 AM
Oct 2021

After years and years of the businesses moving offshore in search of lower costs, less regulations and little or no government oversight (no unions, no child labor laws, no EPA, no OSHA, and best off virtually no taxes) has brought all this on. In large part to the lobbying of the Chamber of Commerce of the republican party to have laws written by them to reward such moves. Throw in a pandemic, shut down large patches of the worlds economies and this is what happens. Going global has its drawbacks... who knew?

malaise

(276,032 posts)
23. What they do is credit themselves for anything that works
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:45 AM
Oct 2021

and then blame the government for their fuck ups.

Farmer-Rick

(11,009 posts)
19. Yup, "free" trade removed the remains of regulations from the supply lines
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:37 AM
Oct 2021

Deregulation wasn't just a stupid idea. It was actually implimented throughout the US. Mergers, acquisitions, consolidation and removal of excess capacity of our distribution and supply system was completed.

And that's why you got a bunch of billionaires making tons of excess wealth off of the broken rubber band of the American market place.

Martin Eden

(13,265 posts)
20. Brought on by the pandemic, which wouldn't be nearly as bad
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:42 AM
Oct 2021

If not for the a$$holes trying to blame supply chain issues on Biden.

IggleDuer

(972 posts)
30. Don't Moscow Mitch and his wife, former Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chau ..
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 10:10 AM
Oct 2021

… own a large shipping company from Asia?

FakeNoose

(35,019 posts)
32. The empty shipping containers need to be loaded onto ships and taken back to China
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 10:27 AM
Oct 2021

... or wherever they came from.

There's such a clutter of empty containers on the docks (West Coast) that they can't unload the newest shipments until they make some room. I believe the (federal or state) government will have to step in and start ordering them to do this, because nobody is showing any leadership at the docks.

In addition there are serious manpower shortages among the dockworkers, and that's mainly due to Covid. (That's my guess anyway.)

Perhaps the U.S. Coast Guard can step in a provide manpower, and the U.S. Navy can provide ships to carry empty containers back to China? Just to get them out of the way....

Moebym

(989 posts)
38. Unfortunately, we can't expect the average person to make this association.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 04:51 PM
Oct 2021

The average person will go no further than blaming the president currently in charge and whichever party they are disinclined to support.

llmart

(16,200 posts)
42. That's not been talked about enough, as far as I'm concerned.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 09:37 PM
Oct 2021

I retired a year before the pandemic hit. I live in a neighborhood that's mostly people 60+. My family and friends are mostly 60+. I can't begin to tell you how many people I know who decided to retire when the country went into lockdown. Some of them had planned on working until they were 70 but decided not to. Boomers are a huge population and we should have seen this coming pandemic or not. Our country and populace has never been good at thinking far enough down the road before the problems arise.

Shermann

(8,367 posts)
47. It's been predicted for a long time
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 03:34 PM
Oct 2021

I think the pandemic definitely sped things up. Boomers, being older, generally had higher paying jobs. Those vacancies are being filled by younger people leaving crappier, lower paying jobs.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,586 posts)
43. Malaise, we might note the public sector's key part of our supply chain is relatively healthy.
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 10:53 PM
Oct 2021

That is, ROADS. The U.S. Postal Service is important too.

However, if Libertarian Rethugs get their way, infrastructure will continue to decline by lack of funding so they can claim it needs to be privatized. Gotta have profit from everything in their way of thinking.

The private sector's huge elephant in the room is that it has no morals. Therefore, no obligation to human rights or community.

KY

malaise

(276,032 posts)
45. Oh yes -the government's role is related to infrastructure and
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 07:04 AM
Oct 2021

regulations. They have decimated regulations and lots of work is needed re infrastructure but the road network is pretty good. The private sector hasn't done enough damage to the social good yet - now their aim is to destroy public education. Go figure

jaxexpat

(7,511 posts)
44. MSM in conjunction with the conservatronic PTB are Carterizing their own creation.
Fri Oct 29, 2021, 06:02 AM
Oct 2021

I watched from the seawall in Galveston as the worlds super-tanker fleet rode at anchor en masse in the parking reserve area just off the Bolivar Straight, waiting while the gas lines of 1979 grew into a national panic. When the public finally associated blame for the (totally manufactured) "gas shortage" with the fact of a Democrat in the Whitehouse and an irreversible rise in pump prices, the ships lifted anchor and filled the refineries of Texas city, Houston and Bayport with crude oil. Like Magic, the gas lines disappeared everywhere except in the collective memory of Reagan voters.
I presume the same technique was applied in other US ports which had large refining components but have no personal experience as evidence like I do for the Galveston Bay area.

They can, will, and probably ARE doing the same song and dance today with imported goods' price rises. Rarely performing such highly publicized operations without multiple win-wins built into the scheme, this time around the PTB are force feeding the idea that our dependence on Chinese manufacturing is causing the US and thus the average citizen damage as some sort of plot by the Chinese government, unwittingly (or intentionally) aided by the "Democrat" executive. This time they even have the gall to float the idea that the Federal government needs to fund "necessary" port improvements to alleviate this manufactured problem.

The "Powers That Be" have occasional moments of actually participating in the maintenance of their supremacy and, like the seasons, they are predictable. At one time it was coupled with the odd term, "business cycle". They are now into their "grift the pandemic panic" phase which followed on the heels of the "we're all in this together, trusting each other" phase.

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