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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 02:21 PM Oct 2021

Almost unanimously, Republicans in the House are voting to NOT hold Steve Bannon in contempt.

If they cannot hold this contemptuous criminal accountable, there is no hope for them. They have a chance to stand up for the rule of law and the Constitution and they fail the test.

We could only hope their constituencies see what they are doing and hold them accountable in the next election.

Their minds have locked shut.

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Almost unanimously, Republicans in the House are voting to NOT hold Steve Bannon in contempt. (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2021 OP
The most significant part is that they're diminishing the power of Congress. Their own role. Goodheart Oct 2021 #1
There should be at least 2-4 republicans that voted with Democrats . .. Lovie777 Oct 2021 #2
It ended up being 9 MustLoveBeagles Oct 2021 #32
Really? Who were they? calimary Oct 2021 #37
I don't have the complete list (Update) MustLoveBeagles Oct 2021 #39
In other breaking news, water is wetl lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #3
They are unfit to govern Zorro Oct 2021 #4
As an indepedent I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #5
If there is a criminal referral to DOJ he can be arrested and tried. Ford_Prefect Oct 2021 #28
I wasen't sure of how the I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #52
I hesitate to add that of course GOP members do not feel they are bound by rules or law. Ford_Prefect Oct 2021 #54
There are not too many heavy thinkers in the GOP. They do as pwb Oct 2021 #6
that vote was on the rule, i doubt that the numbers will change on final passage on contempt bottomofthehill Oct 2021 #7
You are correct. kentuck Oct 2021 #12
He is the future of their party! budkin Oct 2021 #8
Jim Banks is either stark raving mad malaise Oct 2021 #9
I'll go with both. One does not necessarily preclude the other. Arkansas Granny Oct 2021 #13
Yep. Delphinus Oct 2021 #17
So, there is no law of the land that republican lawmakers, republican thugs can be held accountable SWBTATTReg Oct 2021 #10
They're not going to win the vote. Mr.Bill Oct 2021 #16
When Bannon's contempt is referred to wnylib Oct 2021 #49
Yeah, and I think it's pretty cut and dried Mr.Bill Oct 2021 #50
Usually the SC does not take contempt of Congress cases wnylib Oct 2021 #53
They seem to be RUSSIAN OWNED bluestarone Oct 2021 #11
NOT SEEM ,THEY ARE ! PERIOD! monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #30
Indeed! No "seem" about it. calimary Oct 2021 #41
They have handed us a gift, we have to take it to the bank bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #14
Yes they just gave us a BIG gift KS Toronado Oct 2021 #21
Exactly right CanonRay Oct 2021 #26
They are protecting (or trying to) their Mr.Bill Oct 2021 #15
as expected. so what is the next plan of action? msfiddlestix Oct 2021 #18
Their constituents put them there left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 #19
+33. n/t Harker Oct 2021 #44
The Nazi party is here. My WWII vet Dad would be furious at their treason. n/t Evolve Dammit Oct 2021 #20
They're voting to undermine their own power. If Bannon is innocent, let him speak for himself. elias7 Oct 2021 #22
It's like asking a jury of Colombian cocaine traffickers to convict Pablo Escobar DFW Oct 2021 #23
So far seven ReTHUGs have voted with Dems n/t malaise Oct 2021 #24
I dunno. My take on them is that many of them have much to fear and hold secret. Texin Oct 2021 #25
Eight Republicans voting to hold Bannon in contempt so far. ancianita Oct 2021 #27
Well how 'bout that. calimary Oct 2021 #42
It is becoming clear that much of their constituents align themselves with right wing extremists JohnSJ Oct 2021 #29
PASSED -- Nine Republicans, ALL Democrats vote to hold Bannon in contempt. ancianita Oct 2021 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author lillypaddle Oct 2021 #33
Seriously? Snackshack Oct 2021 #34
NINE GOP voted Yes obamanut2012 Oct 2021 #51
Agreed. Democrats should NOT water down bills in a wasted effort to compromise ecstatic Oct 2021 #35
That's correct, they decided to hold their oath in contempt instead. Uncle Joe Oct 2021 #36
Final vote : Nine Repubs vote to hold Bannon in contempt. kentuck Oct 2021 #38
The Grand Old Party is Dead, Dead, Dead. Joinfortmill Oct 2021 #40
what kinda burial should we give the " GRAND OL' TRUMP PARTY " ????????????? monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #47
In a septic tank somewhere. Nt raccoon Oct 2021 #56
I do NOT like what I've been reading Pas-de-Calais Oct 2021 #43
. BeerBarrelPolka Oct 2021 #45
I'm shocked, shocked! Well not that shocked! Initech Oct 2021 #46
Totalitarian behavior. moondust Oct 2021 #48
Can't think of many people I hold in more contempt than bannon... Wounded Bear Oct 2021 #55

Lovie777

(12,232 posts)
2. There should be at least 2-4 republicans that voted with Democrats . ..
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 02:30 PM
Oct 2021

I think. Anywho, republicans overall has failed in the Democracy category.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,591 posts)
39. I don't have the complete list (Update)
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 04:45 PM
Oct 2021

Cheney & Kinzinger obviously. Senator Gonzalez (OH) & Senator Meijer(MI). Possibiliy Senator Stefainik? (NY). I'm not sure about the rest.

Complete list:

Cheney
Kinzinger
Upton
Meiyer
Gonzalez
Katko
Mace
Fitzpatrick
Herrera Beutler

Ford_Prefect

(7,887 posts)
28. If there is a criminal referral to DOJ he can be arrested and tried.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 04:09 PM
Oct 2021

The committee has that authority already.

Congress members may choose to ignore criminal activity according to personal tastes.

However, observed criminal activity and knowledge of same must be reported to and referred to DOJ for investigation and prosecution. That's in Congressional Rules and federal law.

Ford_Prefect

(7,887 posts)
54. I hesitate to add that of course GOP members do not feel they are bound by rules or law.
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 05:20 AM
Oct 2021

Surely that is clear by now. By extension anything they want to do, or choose not to do, must be equally immune from due process.

Most of the current GOP members were recruited to the party precisely because they believe their party and their personal beliefs are more important that the country is. They are part of a trend in GOP thinking wherein becoming elected elevates them to a special class of people who are above the rules in every sense. It is genuinely a cult-like faith which is reinforced by the blandishments and money of their owners and patrons.

Greed and personal power are the primary forces motivating the GOP at most levels of government these days. I state an observable fact here.

pwb

(11,261 posts)
6. There are not too many heavy thinkers in the GOP. They do as
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 02:45 PM
Oct 2021

the Media and their lords want, never what the people want.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
7. that vote was on the rule, i doubt that the numbers will change on final passage on contempt
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 02:49 PM
Oct 2021

but we will have to see.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
12. You are correct.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 03:02 PM
Oct 2021

I stumbled upon the vote and I thought it was the final vote for contempt for Bannon.

I would have expected more to vote against Bannon. They act as if he is Donald Trump ??

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
10. So, there is no law of the land that republican lawmakers, republican thugs can be held accountable
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 02:51 PM
Oct 2021

to now? This should scare democrats and independents alike, and some few republicans too, at their blatant attempt to escape the rule of law, the power of Congressional summons. Congress just weakened itself immeasurably (republicans especially). And Bannon isn't even an elected member of any party too...

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
16. They're not going to win the vote.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 03:33 PM
Oct 2021

Bannon will be held in contempt. Now the next move is Garland's. If he refuses to charge Bannon, we might as well move to Mexico.

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
49. When Bannon's contempt is referred to
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 05:30 PM
Oct 2021

Last edited Thu Oct 21, 2021, 11:56 PM - Edit history (1)

Garland, the next step in the legal process is for him to present it to a grand jury. After the grand jury's vote, Garland can send US marshalls to arrest Bannon. With a grand jury indictment, there is no reason at all to believe that Garland will not have Bannon arrested - if Bannon is still in the country and not in hiding under the protection of one of his accomplices.

I see no reason at all to think that Garland will not present the case to a grand jury. I also see no reason why a grand jury would not indict Bannon. It is very cut and dried. He refused to comply with a Congressional subpoena. Therefore, he is in contempt of Congress.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
50. Yeah, and I think it's pretty cut and dried
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 05:35 PM
Oct 2021

that Trump committed multiple serious crimes while president, but I haven't seen Garland do anything about that. I hope he's working on it, but I'm beginning to have my doubts.

And my other worry is that no matter what happens, the Supreme Court will have a final decision on this in June of 2027.

wnylib

(21,432 posts)
53. Usually the SC does not take contempt of Congress cases
Fri Oct 22, 2021, 12:05 AM
Oct 2021

because thst is an infringement on Congress' authority.

But they did take Nixon's case and he lost. Trump has even less grounds to stand on than Nixpn did and Bannon has none at all. Given the current conservative court, there is some reason for concern, but then they didn't rule in Trump's favor on the multiple cases he filed regarding his fraudulent election claim, so there is some hope.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
14. They have handed us a gift, we have to take it to the bank
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 03:30 PM
Oct 2021

They are siding with an insurrectionist against the Constitution of the United States, and against the legislature that was attacked on January 6. It is plain as day in terms that a 5 year old can understand. Democrats need to drive that message. This is it, right now. Rule of Law, or no accountability and sliding into dictatorship. This could even print in the elections in two weeks.

Write this day in your calendar. Republicans have crossed the Rubicon. Americans must recognize it.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
15. They are protecting (or trying to) their
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 03:31 PM
Oct 2021

colleagues who are as guilty as Bannon. Once he is charged with contempt by the AG, there will be subpoenas issued for a number of republican Congressional Representatives and they know it.

elias7

(3,997 posts)
22. They're voting to undermine their own power. If Bannon is innocent, let him speak for himself.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 03:55 PM
Oct 2021

These people are beneath contempt as well as being morons

DFW

(54,354 posts)
23. It's like asking a jury of Colombian cocaine traffickers to convict Pablo Escobar
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 03:56 PM
Oct 2021

"What did he do that we wouldn't?"

Same with the House Republicans.

And if Steve Bannon attempted to help a violent prevention of a duly elected Democratic president from taking office? What did he do that any Republican member of the House wouldn't? Hell enough of them probably DID, that their chances of spending the rest of their lives free of incarceration probably depends on his keeping his mouth shut. Why should anyone expect them to vote for their own life sentences?

"Lock them up!" applies to Democrats only, any Republican knows that..............

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
34. Seriously?
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 04:25 PM
Oct 2021

No one, not even for the shortest amount of time measurable (zeptosecond) should fool themselves into thinking that somewhere inside any republican there is the whisper of a hint from the rumor of a thought that they should do the right thing concerning Bannon.


There no GOP bottom. I was surprised yesterday when the news made a thing out of all the GOP voting no to having just a debate about the right to vote. Then to see Chuck Schumer on the floor wanting just to make clear no GOP voted for the bill....I mean what is the deal where does this continued lingering idea that the GOP is going to reach an end point and turn around back to reality and govern in a mature and sensible way...its not gonna happen

ecstatic

(32,685 posts)
35. Agreed. Democrats should NOT water down bills in a wasted effort to compromise
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 04:26 PM
Oct 2021

with those deplorables.

Pas-de-Calais

(9,904 posts)
43. I do NOT like what I've been reading
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 05:01 PM
Oct 2021

Since 01-06-2021.

Highs & lows everyday. Truly sad & scary as hell.
I just may need to step back and watch nothing but Disney, cartoons and 3 Stooges shorts to regain my sanity.

Seems to be 1 step forward
3 steps back for the guys in the white hats

Until later my DU friends,,,

BeerBarrelPolka

(1,202 posts)
45. .
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 05:04 PM
Oct 2021

The Three Stooges have more brains than many of these repub politicians. Watching Larry, Curly, and Moe is educational in comparison.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
48. Totalitarian behavior.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 05:27 PM
Oct 2021
~
Sometimes they appear afraid to stop clapping, echoing stories of forced standing ovations for Josef Stalin recounted in video footage and Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s “Gulag Archipelago.”
~
The Republicans have become the Russia party

No longer a political party capable of governing even if they wanted to, it's just a corrupt gang of totalitarian thugs that should be dismantled and sent to the junkyard.
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