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Fri Oct 15, 2021, 09:37 PM

Manchin "so angry" about Bernie/out-of-staters - while taking $$$ & orders from HOUSTON TEXAS!

let's remember that Houston, TX is where Manchin goes to scoop up his money and get his orders

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Reply Manchin "so angry" about Bernie/out-of-staters - while taking $$$ & orders from HOUSTON TEXAS! (Original post)
TomDaisy Oct 2021 OP
Celerity Oct 2021 #1
sheshe2 Oct 2021 #5
Celerity Oct 2021 #8
sheshe2 Oct 2021 #10
betsuni Oct 2021 #15
sheshe2 Oct 2021 #16
LonePirate Oct 2021 #2
onecaliberal Oct 2021 #3
brooklynite Oct 2021 #4
Control-Z Oct 2021 #6
brooklynite Oct 2021 #7
FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #9
sheshe2 Oct 2021 #11
FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #19
betsuni Oct 2021 #12
FoxNewsSucks Oct 2021 #18
brooklynite Oct 2021 #13
colsohlibgal Oct 2021 #14
SMC22307 Oct 2021 #17

Response to TomDaisy (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 09:43 PM

1. Manchin is always free to go to Vermont and/or write an OP-ED in their newspapers.

Good luck Coal Joe, with that.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:09 PM

5. Good idea going to VT.

He can ask about the F-35 that cost 80M a pop and 38K to fly per hour.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:28 PM

8. You mean the same F-35 programme that teams with nearly 1,800 domestic suppliers in 45 states

(including West Virginia) and Puerto Rico?

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/f-35/f-35-global-partnership.html

You need some new material.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:11 PM

10. I have plenty.

Not just the monitary cost...

Read what the residents think.

Winooski area residents voice their opposition to F-35 training flights
By Lana Cohen

Sep 9 2021

Appearing Tuesday night at a meeting of the Winooski City Council, more than two dozen speakers complained that the planes’ thundering noise is affecting their hearing and mental health, and increasing their worries over what would happen if an F-35 were to crash in the most populous region of Vermont.

The speakers, all of whom expressed their frustration with the jets based at Burlington International Airport, addressed councilors and three Air Guard members for more than three hours, in person and remotely.

“I have witnessed F-35s flying over Landry Park on a beautiful sunny afternoon,” Winooski resident Camille Clark said. “It was extremely painful to watch about 25 kids putting their hands on their ears and grimacing.”

The Lockheed Martin-manufactured F-35s can reach up to 115 decibels of noise, according to the Air Force. That’s almost the equivalent of standing next to sirens and can cause hearing loss in less than two minutes. Exposure to noise above 70 decibels for an extended period of time can damage hearing, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s information on noise and hearing loss.

“Exposure to loud noise kills the nerve endings in our inner ear,” the U.S. Department of Labor’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration wrote on its website. “The result is permanent hearing loss that cannot be corrected through surgery or with medicine.”

The F-35 stealth fighter, the centerpiece of the U.S. military’s air forces and the costliest defense program ever, began arriving at the airport in South Burlington about two years ago as a replacement for the F-16. The full complement of 20 jets is now in place, with planes going on training runs twice a day, four days a week. They also make occasional runs at night and on weekends.

https://vtdigger.org/2021/09/09/winooski-area-residents-voice-their-opposition-to-f-35-training-flights/

Your comment, is what about. Others do it so it is fine. FYI, your link is less than satisfying. Doesn't mention that WV produces and exports the machines. Burlington VT houses them, read my link and see how the residents feel.

Ask someone who is hard of hearing/ deaf how they would feel raising their families in such an environment. If you don't have that problem you are one of the lucky ones.

PS. It is you that needs more material. Lot's more in at VT digger direct from the resibents of Burlington VT.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 12:30 AM

15. "My view is that given the reality of the damn plane, I'd rather it come to Vermont than to South

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Carolina. And that's what the Vermont National Guard wants, and that means hundreds of jobs in my city. That's it." Bernie Sanders.

"You need some new material." I guess you're supposed to get mad. All anyone has to do is Google about the $1.5 trillion program and plenty comes up. Nobody's accusing Bernie of being beholden to Big Military or anything. Don't know why anyone would get upset mentioning the "reality of the damn plane." That's politics. Status quo.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 11:26 AM

16. Thank you!

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Response to TomDaisy (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 09:43 PM

2. I'd get banned if I said I how I really feel about him.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:00 PM

3. You're far from alone.

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Response to TomDaisy (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:03 PM

4. What "orders" is he getting?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:20 PM

6. My guess would be

how he should vote on climate change policy.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:26 PM

7. So you're saying he doesn't have an opinion of his own?

Or could be swayed if he offered him MORE money?

Why do people feel that he couldn’t possibly believe in supporting a major industry and job provider in his home State? You know, like Bernie Sanders supporting F-135 production?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 10:47 PM

9. Sanders is nothing like manchin

One is supporting and working WITH Biden.

One is obstructing Biden and putting future Democratic control at great risk. That's what matters.

I don't know why any Democrat would take manchin's side on this.

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:15 PM

11. You really should read about the F35.

I posted above how the residents of Burlington VT feel about it.

PS I am not taking Manchins side, though there are more sides than one.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 11:58 AM

19. I hadn't read that article before

It was interesting. I've been to Burlington on vacation a few years ago, and if I lived there I'd be completely opposed to having that kind of plane based there. When I lived in Wichita, there was a similar sentiment about having the B1 doing so many flights out of McConnell. People claimed the noise cracked their windows. But a wide open area like Kansas does seem more fitting than Vermont.

In any case, this side-discussion is more appropriate to pointing out how the MIC has successfully taken over, despite Eisenhower's warning. In not only every state, but every congressional district in every state, there are multiple military projects and/or bases. That's deliberate. It's impossible to make cuts to the military without the endangered contractor racing to dozens of reps whose districts will "lose jobs". The F35 is one of the best examples because it's spread all over.

I think the point of this thread is Manchin's hypocrisy, which is common, in that he takes a lot of out of state money and direction then whines when someone from out of state makes him uncomfortable. I could be mistaken, but I don't think I've ever hear Sanders whine about out of state opposition to the F35.

Personally, I think Democrats should start running non-stop ads and go on toure in AZ and WV repeatedly listing everything in both bills that Manchin & Sinema are blocking. Let the people there see what's at stake.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:20 PM

12. +1

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 11:45 AM

18. Also how to vote on raising taxes on billionaires and corporations.

He doesn't seem to like that either.

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Response to TomDaisy (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:23 PM

13. Fun fact: I met with BOTH Bernie Sanders and Joe Manchin...

...at a swanky big donor retreat (DSCC) on Martha's Vineyard in 2011.

Both were either supporting the Democratic Party or in it to find supportive donors.

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Response to TomDaisy (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:55 PM

14. Disgusting

These two, Mansion and Sinema are prime examples as to why we need public funding of Elections.

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Response to TomDaisy (Original post)

Sat Oct 16, 2021, 11:32 AM

17. But he's the best we can do in West Virginia...

or so I hear.

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