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Fri Oct 15, 2021, 05:32 PM

Who agrees with me on SineManchin stick/carrot time is up.

Itís time.
In fact, itís past time.
Biden needs to go to them and say tell me what you need for two things to happen:
1. To get your buy in on both infrastructure bills.
2. To get your buy in on a carve out for voting rights.

If they donít respond with that carrot 🥕 request, then you use the stick.
I donít know what that stick would be.
But, Iím sure they have skeletons and weaknesses.
Time for hardball.
Our democracy is at stake.
We must pull out all of the stops.
Use any and all ammunition that you can find.

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Reply Who agrees with me on SineManchin stick/carrot time is up. (Original post)
Funtatlaguy Oct 2021 OP
bottomofthehill Oct 2021 #1
bottomofthehill Oct 2021 #2
FBaggins Oct 2021 #3
stillcool Oct 2021 #4
mucifer Oct 2021 #5
wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #13
qazplm135 Oct 2021 #6
Patton French Oct 2021 #7
PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #8
Silent3 Oct 2021 #9
Funtatlaguy Oct 2021 #10
brooklynite Oct 2021 #11
onenote Oct 2021 #12
Celerity Oct 2021 #14

Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 05:38 PM

1. Great plan, although

She changes party and there is no bill no nothing, so maybe not such a good plan. Even if she goes from D to I we loose the majority, the chairmanships and the leadership.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 05:38 PM

2. This no judges, no sun cabinet appointments, not much left

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 05:44 PM

3. The problem with the carrot/stick analogy

They hold the stick.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 05:48 PM

4. turn out the lights, and go home

leave Mitch with the gavel, and walk away.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 06:00 PM

5. I don't think the stick will work with sinema because

she knows she probably won't get reelected as a dem or elected as a republican.

So she can take the money from the corporations and if we push her too hard she can switch parties before the election and we would lose the ability to get anything passed.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:52 PM

13. It's so amazing that's she's not even motivated by self-preservation

 

She must really like her future of being a lobbyist.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 06:00 PM

6. You have to seperate Manchin and Sinema

Manchin is at least talking. He's for some tax increases on corporations and the wealthy. He's for prescription drug costs being lowered. He is for at least one out of the big three main policies (in his words, pick one). Do I think that's great, no. But it's light years ahead of Sinema who:

1. Won't raise any taxes.
2. Won't agree to prescription drug cost reform

In fact, the only thing she appears to be down for is some climate change stuff, but she knows full well Manchin isn't on board with that so one wonders if it's a ruse.

Sinema is the real problem, if it were just Manchin, we'd have a deal by now, not a great deal, but a deal.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 06:03 PM

7. The stick may chase thrum into GQP.

Not a good result either.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:01 PM

8. "I don't know what that stick would be." - that's kind of important in a carrot/stick plan.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 15, 2021, 11:45 PM

9. Even though we mere DUers might not know which sticks might be available...

...I think it's a fairly safe bet, if Biden and Senate Democrats are willing to play rough, those sticks exists and they know what they are and how to use them.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:38 PM

10. Voting Rights is the WHOLE ballgame. Democracy at stake.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:44 PM

11. You'll let him know?

Never understood why debating what Biden SHOULD do accomplishes anything.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:48 PM

12. "I don't know what the stick is."

Sums this up doesn't it.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

Mon Oct 18, 2021, 06:55 PM

14. they hold all the cards 😒

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