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Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:15 AM

Reportedly, the WH Counsel, Cippollone, told Trump on January 6th that he might be arrested.

It would be interesting to hear what Trump said to him when advised that he might be taken away that very day?

Cippollone should be called to testify before the Select Committee. He would have a lot of useful information, in my opinion.

It would show the degree of guilt that Trump felt at that time.

There is so much still to learn about what happened on that day?

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Reply Reportedly, the WH Counsel, Cippollone, told Trump on January 6th that he might be arrested. (Original post)
kentuck Oct 12 OP
hlthe2b Oct 12 #1
Effete Snob Oct 12 #7
KS Toronado Oct 12 #20
Haggard Celine Oct 12 #28
lagomorph777 Oct 12 #29
RVN VET71 Oct 12 #36
PatSeg Oct 12 #37
secondwind Oct 12 #38
OnDoutside Oct 12 #2
kentuck Oct 12 #4
blogslug Oct 12 #8
Champp Oct 12 #3
Tommy Carcetti Oct 12 #5
Effete Snob Oct 12 #6
underpants Oct 12 #9
kentuck Oct 12 #10
Vinca Oct 12 #11
Lonestarblue Oct 12 #33
Diraven Oct 12 #41
Irish_Dem Oct 12 #12
stopdiggin Oct 12 #13
Irish_Dem Oct 12 #14
kentuck Oct 12 #16
Irish_Dem Oct 12 #19
kentuck Oct 12 #22
A HERETIC I AM Oct 12 #21
kentuck Oct 12 #23
Justice matters. Oct 12 #34
Martin Eden Oct 12 #15
kentuck Oct 12 #17
Martin Eden Oct 12 #24
kentuck Oct 12 #26
Grasswire2 Oct 12 #46
PatSeg Oct 12 #39
Martin Eden Oct 12 #43
PatSeg Oct 12 #44
Martin Eden Oct 12 #45
PatSeg Oct 13 #47
Martin Eden Oct 13 #48
johnthewoodworker Oct 12 #18
kentuck Oct 12 #25
Farmer-Rick Oct 12 #27
malaise Oct 12 #30
Historic NY Oct 12 #31
Evolve Dammit Oct 12 #32
Justice matters. Oct 12 #35
Evolve Dammit Oct 12 #40
CanonRay Oct 12 #42

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:18 AM

1. That still sticks with me. That Trump has gone this long without consequences may well mean

that we've lost all chance to do so.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:47 AM

7. But how can anyone catch him...



He can escape on the wings of his getaway tortoise.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:52 AM

20. I don't believe we've lost all chances to do so

Justice can seem slow at times and extremely slow when the evidence is so overwhelming. Sometimes I wonder
if the powers that be at the top of the Democratic Party don't want Qrump arrested now but at a future date
they feel would help us more in the midterms. Timing can be everything in politics.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:16 AM

28. I've wondered the same thing.

I don't think that it's a good idea to delay justice, though. They're taking a big gamble if they're waiting until the time is more politically advantageous. If people see it as just typical Democrat v. Republican bickering, waiting until we're closer to the election could backfire.

I think he should be indicted as soon as they have evidence that can be presented to a grand jury. If Trump tries to incite another insurrection, he should be arrested and held until his trial is over.

It would be hard to keep a former President in a prison since he:s entitled to Secret Service protection, but he could be put under house arrest with no contact with the outside world. I think he will try to start something. He can't help it, and Biden will be obliged to handle Trump like any other domestic threat.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:17 AM

29. I don't think Dems are that crafty.

Sad to say.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:49 AM

36. He's going to die, slowly, irritatingly slowly, before

facing justice fof his crimes against this country. Worse, unless the Dems start seriously kicking ass (criminal contempt charges against the stonewalling 4, for starters), his death will see a huge memorial to his “greatness” in Mar-a-Lago where worshippers can visit, touch his faux-gold statue and buy hugely overpriced memorial gifts, tiny statuettes, little dioramas of his wall, all of it made in China.

No way the Fat Man does any hard time. Focus your hopes on his kids and close advisors.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:50 AM

37. Yes, justice can seem awfully slow in the real world

We tend to think it is like in the movies or TV where the President commits some kind of treason and instantly the authorities come and take him away in disgrace. In real life, things are more complex than that, especially in a functioning democracy. In third world countries, leaders are often removed from power quickly and thrown in jail, even killed.

I know we've been patient for a long time, but sadly it is the price we must pay in a democracy, if we are to survive.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:58 AM

38. Bingo. My thoughts exactly.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:25 AM

2. Who reported ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:34 AM

4. It was on the MSM a few times, as I recall...

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:48 AM

8. I haven't done an extended search but I found this

It kind of follows what the OP is saying:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/after-a-day-of-violence-and-25th-amendment-chatter-trumps-allies-jumping-ship

As the violent mob incited by President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, some West Wing staffers panicked that they were possibly becoming participants in a coup to overthrow the government. “What do I do? Resign?” one nervous White House staffer asked a friend on Wednesday afternoon, shortly after news broke that a woman had been shot and killed inside the Capitol. The West Wing staffer told the friend that White House Counsel Pat Cipollone was urging White House officials not to speak to Trump or enable his coup attempt in any way, so they could reduce the chance they could be prosecuted for treason under the Sedition Act. “They’re being told to stay away from Trump,” the friend said. The White House declined to comment.

Cipollone’s purported concern that Trump was committing treason—a federal crime—illustrates the chaos and fear of Wednesday’s unprecedented events. At least one staffer isn’t waiting to flee the ship. On Wednesday night, CNN reported that Stephanie Grisham, the former White House communications director and Melania Trump’s current chief of staff, resigned over the Trump-inspired riot. As staff quit or steer clear, Trump is increasingly isolated and alone. According to a person close to the White House, Trump refused to take calls on Wednesday from business leaders who wanted him to call off the insurrectionists. A former West Wing staffer said Republicans were texting and calling Chief of Staff Mark Meadows to lobby him to intervene, but Meadows wasn’t answering...


Like I said, not exactly what the OP stated but kinda

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:25 AM

3. Excellent idea!

Cip is a chip off the old Republican shitblock.

Lock the Republican traitors up.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:45 AM

5. Well, hope springs eternal. nt

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 06:45 AM

6. But then Trump told him he had a getaway car...

…that can go as fast as FIVE miles per hour. At that blazing speed, no one will catch him.

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Response to Effete Snob (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:09 AM

9. (Trumps brain) Arrested? Like black people? Hmm maybe they'll take Eric in trade

I’ll call whoever it is and turn on my super salesman powers like I did in those COVID press conferences. They can’t say No - I’m the best!

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Response to underpants (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:12 AM

10. :-)

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:13 AM

11. My prediction: Trump skates on everything, just like he did when he was accused of money

laundering and a host of other things. Remember before the election and we were all pretty convinced the NY AG would be indicting him the second he put his foot out the White House door? The whole thing is a massive disappointment. There are laws for some people, but not for others.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:33 AM

33. I fear you're right.

Robert Mueller handed the DOJ 20 counts of obstruction of justice for which Trump could be indicted when he left office. Nada. Those crimes are history and never be brought up again.

Trump visibly incited a vicious insurrection on national television. The DOJ should have announced a major investigation into Trump’s role and that of anyone funding or planning the attack as soon as Biden took office. Those attacking the Capitol and members of Congress were the foot soldiers, not the brains and the money behind the idea and the plan. An acting AG could have started the ball rolling before Garland was confirmed (which took far too long). I believe that had the DOJ announced a Special Prosecutor immediately, the Republican lies would not have had as much time to take hold.

As for NY, Cyrus Vance is retiring soon. Will his replacement even bother continuing this case?

The other case that has potential is the Georgia case where Trump is on tape demanding that the Secretary of State create enough votes for Trump to overturn his loss. He is on tape committing a crime. Why hasn’t a Grand Jury been called to get an indictment? That may be only one part of all his crimes, but trying to lump everything in one big investigation means that time is slipping away and nothing may ever be done.

WaPo has an opinion piece today by David Gerson, who is basically predicting that Trump will become president in 2024 and Republicans will take full control of Congress. I agree with him because nothing is being done about all the voter suppression laws and the setup for fraud that Republicans have been creating to have an excuse for throwing out certain votes. And in other news today, we learned that election workers in Georgia were caught shredding voter registration applications. Republicans will cheat every way possible, and I don’t see how we can stop them.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 09:08 AM

41. And my fear is that once Republicans come back into power

They will abuse their power every way possible to make sure that Democrats (and the American people for that matter) never threaten to replace them again.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:20 AM

12. Trump most likely feels no guilt or remorse. He probably would have some fear.

But he always gets away with his crimes, so he probably dismissed claims he might be arrested.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:23 AM

13. my immediate thought

all indications are that the man really isn't wired that way.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:27 AM

14. Right. Sociopaths and narcissists don't typically feel guilt or remorse.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:39 AM

16. I think that is probably right.

Fear would most likely be his reaction, rather than guilt. Although the guilt may be disguised as fear?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:50 AM

19. Clinically, sociopaths and narcissists typically do not feel guilt or remorse

for their immoral or illegal behavior.

When confronted with their behavior, or made to face consequences, they would usually feel rage, anger, humiliation, fear.
And would then take action to protect themselves, and likely lash out, blame others, get revenge, etc.

They don't have any guilt feelings to disguise as fear. This would be more typical of a normal personality.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:53 AM

22. It does indeed match your description.

I would agree.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:53 AM

21. Agreed. Fear? Yes. Guilt? Not at all.

He was always afraid of being humiliated, according to Mary Trump, but he was incapable of feeling guilt.

Being led away in handcuffs on national TV would be the ultimate humiliation.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:54 AM

23. I suppose it would be.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:34 AM

34. That's what he deserves, though.

Ten counts of Obstruction of Justice (unpunished). Where is the unredacted report? Grand-Jury Materials?

Minimum 600,000 negligent homicides (he knew and didn't care to lie in order to not have to work to prevent them) unpunished.

Witnesses tampering (unpunished).

Those we KNOW the clear evidence.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:38 AM

15. "the degree of guilt that Trump felt"

I don't think feelings of guilt enter the consciousness of this malignant narcissist. His sense of privilege and entitlement are boundless. Would be dictators do not entertain the notion they are wrong for using any means necessary to gain power.

It's possible he might be wary of exposure to criminal prosecution or other undesirable consequences, but maybe not. He was still president, his high flying ego full of wrath over the November election.

All that mattered was doing whatever it took to hold on to that power.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:42 AM

17. He wanted to be King.

No matter what the people said. If they voted against him, he would just call it a fraud. He had no plans on leaving the White House.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:56 AM

24. Does the Republican Party establishment want him to be King?

... essentially ending America's great experiment in democracy?

With a few exceptions, they have shown they care more about their own careers and holding onto power than they do about our Constitution, the integrity of our elections, and the flag they so falsely wave.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #24)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:01 AM

26. Yes, they are OK with that if it keeps them in power.

One thing the American people should know by now is that Republicans cannot be trusted to protect our country or our people. They are not deserving of governance.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:33 PM

46. this is precisely why the strategy of "Look forward, not back" of the last several decades...

...has brought us to this point.

If Republicans had been held accountable for their crimes and made to feel some pain, we might have staved off the position we are now in.

Think about all the miscreants, traitors, bad actors, crooks and swindlers who have never been brought to justice.

It's truly sickening.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 09:04 AM

39. I agree

I don't think Trump has ever felt guilty about anything, because he feel entitled to do whatever he wants. I do, however, think he is capable of fear and that he is afraid he will be held accountable for his actions eventually. Meanwhile, he repeatedly breaks all the rules and from his perspective nothing happens, which just encourages him to be more outrageous. On some level, he probably believes he is somehow untouchable, but a part of him is still afraid.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #39)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 09:13 AM

43. Failure to enforce accountability for such crimes

Is tacit acceptance.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #43)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 09:32 AM

44. And meanwhile, most republicans

have shown acceptance. At least with Nixon, republicans drew a line and said, "enough is enough". It appears that with Trump, he really can do anything without losing their support.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #44)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 09:49 AM

45. Worse than acceptance

The Republican Party as a whole is not only on board with Trumpism; they are eagerly pushing the boundaries to see how much they can get away with.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #45)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 08:23 AM

47. Yes, it is absolutely bizarre to watch

I've seen people do that sort of thing, but never so many in lockstep with one another.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #47)

Wed Oct 13, 2021, 03:54 PM

48. Mass Psychosis

Did Trump cause it, or was he a manifestation of a preexisting underlying condition?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:48 AM

18. There isn't a Republican/Nazi alive who fears justice or democrats.

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Response to johnthewoodworker (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 07:59 AM

25. It does seem there is a justice system, all the way thru the Supreme Court, that ...

...is controlled by the Property Party, the Republicans. They have been more keen to subpoenas and taking matters to Court than Democrats, it seems to me.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:15 AM

27. The rich capitalist kings of the US will never let their puppet Trump

Be held accountable.

He is their monster and people like the Koch bros, Waltons, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Gates, Kissinger and the Google princes would never let such a criminal as Trump go to jail. He's their horror show. He's exactly the kind of dick-tater they want to run this nation.

Look at the clueless lump of psychotic narcissism that is Trump. He's stupid and ignorant. Born with over $400 million he could barely educate himself. He is so out of touch that he thinks his orange make-up, yellow comb over, oversized suits and sex worker for a wife is a good look. He holds the same opinions about exercise, medicine, race relations, economics, military strategy and business skill as the impoverished guy in the 10 yr old trailer living on food stamps and Social Security behind the abandoned strip mall.

And a lot of these particular traits of Trump are shared by most of the 300 filthy rich oligarchs who rule the US. They see him and think what a great king he would make. And so they are all protecting him for use on another day.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:20 AM

30. My bet is that wa just before he made the speech where

he called them off while telling them he loved them

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:23 AM

31. Have to retweet these articles people seem to have short memories..

so I did.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:28 AM

32. So when does Orange Boy get indicted? Or does he just skate? If he gets indicted, he will call for

arms to his supporters (in coded language of course). At that point, can he be arrested? Because you know he will, and they will answer the Chosen One's call. Do we really have to wait for that? Apparently.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #32)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 08:43 AM

35. Well... ask the elected Dems...

What is their plan to prevent that obvious nightmare scenario to come, and don't accept the status-quo answer.

Or are they in on wanting to care more about their career than the Democratic Republic and its Constitution?

Because a theocracy king will imprison them all on any (false) accusation.

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Response to Justice matters. (Reply #35)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 09:04 AM

40. In a heartbeat. I really don't know what they are doing for an actual armed insurrection? It's

not like they are blind or oblivious is it? Do they really think it's not going to happen at some point? It will come down to how many are willing to take up arms and how coordinated they are. If 1/6 is any indicator or preparedness, I don't even want to go there.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Oct 12, 2021, 09:10 AM

42. Yes. And will we ever learn any of it?

Color me skeptical.

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