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Mon Oct 11, 2021, 06:14 PM

I read an article in the NYT this morning...

authored by a bunch of so called "moderate repubs" about joining forces with conservative Democrats to vote to keep the Q's from winning Congress back in the midterms. They say they want to protect the country from extremists in both parties. To me it's classic bothsiderism, there is no comparison between the wingnuts on the right and our progressive lawmakers. To top it off they say they respect and admire McTurtle. That was it for me, they can't be be taken seriously if that is what they want to end up going back to.

And then I saw Christie Whitman on Air Melber's show and she spewed the same bothsiderism talking points. So before we join with the people that brought us this madness we better be sure what we would be getting into.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 06:16 PM

1. They just don't want to vote for a Republican this time around, because there isn't a worthwhile one

to vote for... They have all gone to the Trump camp. I don't blame them if they want to vote Dem.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 06:18 PM

2. Calling 'names' not useful, when rational approaches to problems are suggested.

We Are Republicans. There's Only One Way to Save Our Party From Pro-Trump Extremists.

By Miles Taylor and Christine Todd Whitman

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016303917

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 06:24 PM

3. similar propaganda attack on claudia wallace show equating prog dems to repubs nt

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 06:31 PM

4. there are no extremist elected Democrats on the left at the Federal level. The furthest to the left

Dems in Congress would be yawn-inducing (policy-wise) moderate centre left MP's in most other advanced nations on the planet.

Vast numbers of members of centre RIGHT parties in the EU and elsewhere espouse and vote for polices that would make conservadems like Manchin and Henry Cuellar shit bricks of rage.

The American political ideological scale is now so completely skewed to the right that it is at the point of being untethered from the reality for most of the rest of the advanced world.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 06:38 PM

5. "Moderate repub" is an oxymoron.

They are Trojan horses.

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Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 06:48 PM

6. That is why I put in quotes...

they can't be trusted.

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Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:03 PM

8. Sorry, but just dangerously wrong. Not all moderate Republicans have

given up on their party and are trying to rescue it from the RW extremists who've taken it over. There are very few in elective office, but they do exist. I don't know if you watch MSNBC, but there are a bunch of moderate conservatives on its shows, some still identifying Republican.

The notion that all Republicans are enemies who must be destroyed would be a recipe for national disaster.

We must recreate a working majority that can win and isn't in danger of being overset every 2 years by the far right. This swinging of power between us and those trying to destroy our democracy cannot continue much longer before we go down. We're come dreadfully close as it is.

We must unite to create a sustainable winning majority or it will be over. And moderate conservatives committed to our democracy are the ones we recreate our fallen center with.



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Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:21 PM

10. Profiles in cowardice

Did they speak up earlier? Did they denounce The Big Lie? If not, then this is bullshit.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 06:50 PM

7. That's actually the partnership that fought off the extremism

extremism, both fascist and socialist revolutions, that other nations fell to in the 1920s-40s. And moderate progressive conservatives also helped Democrats create the New Deal they did it with.

Then, it's not as if extremism completely disappeared. Especially that concentrated on the right among the southern conservative bloc. Repubs and southern conservative Democrats often allied against liberal Democrats; but occasionally, when the rabid RW got too inimical to the public good, moderate Repubs and Dems allied to keep them in check.

Congress is SUPPOSED to work across the aisle to achieve legislation that manages to serve everyone fairly well.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:30 PM

12. I understand what you're saying...

but how do you work across the aisle to legislate with the current anti democracy and obstructionist repub party? McConnell made it clear that they won't lift a finger to help.

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Response to dajoki (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:52 PM

14. Oh, not THEM*. The treasonous insurrection caucuses, no, but

there's nothing moderate about what those Republicans have become.

We apparently have exactly two Republican house members to work with right now, out of 212. Interestingly, Liz Cheney is about as strong a conservative as there is, definitely no moderate. But she's not a traitor and we're glad to be on the same side in this. Same with any others who might vote with us because their voters really want them to. Votes are votes.

The moderates are for the most part not in elective office, but some moderates are activists, some are wealthy and powerful, and by far most are citizens who vote.

* Should note that the two parties have always, even in this era, quietly cooperated to pass workaday legislation that both sides want passed. The noncontroversial kind that voters don't notice and doesn't get reported by the media. Even though they still traitors bent on RW takeover. Fun workplace wondering if your colleagues would toss you to the mob, arrest and charge you with various crimes, or move to summary execution.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:13 PM

9. *M. Taylor discussed on C. Hayes show, NOW.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:25 PM

11. Meh. They're still looking for Dems to compromise with them...

while offering no real support for Dem causes.

Hell, I applaud their attempt to salvage some soul for the repub party, but that horse has left the barn, the ranch, and the earth. Just stay home and let the adults in the Dem party take charge.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:43 PM

13. Anxious to say 'nay,' eh? Why?

Sadly, the adults in the Dem party seem less than fully able to make their/our case.

Voters don't know that Prez Biden is largely responsible for child tax credit.

Just discussed on C. Hayes show, last segment.

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