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Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:16 PM

how about we send the military to LA?

... and Huntington Beach, California and unload those backed-up container ships? And bring in some big trucks to ship the goods across country? or planes.

We're not at war anymore. Are we? Military needs to do something constructive.

The labor unions might howl, but where are the union workers?

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Reply how about we send the military to LA? (Original post)
RussBLib Oct 2021 OP
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2021 #1
RussBLib Oct 2021 #2
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2021 #5
7wo7rees Oct 2021 #7
marybourg Oct 2021 #8
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2021 #9
former9thward Oct 2021 #16
marybourg Oct 2021 #19
haele Oct 2021 #10
Klaralven Oct 2021 #20
Eliot Rosewater Oct 2021 #21
maxsolomon Oct 2021 #3
Amishman Oct 2021 #15
UTUSN Oct 2021 #4
East-A-Squared Oct 2021 #6
sarisataka Oct 2021 #11
RussBLib Oct 2021 #12
sarisataka Oct 2021 #17
Calista241 Oct 2021 #13
doc03 Oct 2021 #14
Retrograde Oct 2021 #18
WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #22
RussBLib Oct 2021 #23
WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2021 #24
RussBLib Oct 2021 #26
Captain Stern Oct 2021 #25

Response to RussBLib (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:18 PM

1. I like it as long as the reason they are backed up isnt a strike, which it isnt, I assume

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:19 PM

2. no, the backup is not due to striking unions

I would also oppose military deployment to bust a strike.

at least, I have not heard of striking unions at the docks.

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:24 PM

5. Good, my son and I were discussing this and couldnt figure it out.

Shortage of truck drivers is one thing but why would workers not want to go to the docks to do this work?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:29 PM

7. Shortages, Covid. exhaustion, stress, injuries

Only starting now to consider round the clock operations, but probably not enough trained workers.
I think bringing in military to help is an excellent idea!

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:30 PM

8. Out sick w. Covid; dead from covid;

don’t want the catch covid.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:39 PM

9. Yeah I know that is a concern with everyone and has been for a long time, I just

couldnt understand why it would be worse now vs earlier.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 02:03 PM

16. Are there links to any of that?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 02:38 PM

19. I've read about it several times over

the past few weeks on the L.A and N.Y. Times. Perhaps search the LA. Times first, if interested. They’re pretty tough to access without a subscription, though.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:39 PM

10. They are backed up because there is not enough working dock space.

Along with the required qualified equipment operators.
Once the pandemic slowed down port operations, those union workers either took early retirement or went to work other jobs when they got laid off due to Covid shipping curtailment.

Being a dockworker or crane operator is hard, dangerous work.
And it's difficult to "just rehire" qualified personnel once half of them have been gone for a year or so.

The issue is not just Port of LA and Long Beach, the issue is also with other West Coast ports where they closed down and are still trying to ramp back up to normal, they also don't have open dock space and enough workers, so they sent them down to LA, which had managed to remain somewhat open during the slowdown.

Haele

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Response to haele (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 03:01 PM

20. Once it becomes backed up and a confused mess, thing go from bad to worse

For example, truckers can't haul as many loads as before because they have to wait longer to get their containers.

It's not clear that things are well planned or that there is any overall authority for the movement of freight through the port. Do they know what containers are on the next ship to dock? Do they have the truckers arranged to get them out of the port ASAP?

The port is supposedly managed by the Los Angeles Harbor Department, a unit of the City of Los Angeles, but it's not clear whether that includes day to day operational management.

Possibly an Army logistics expert in overall charge would be a good thing.

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Response to haele (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 06:29 PM

21. Thanks for the info. I do remember that longshoreperson jobs are relatively high paying so I wonder

if they are hiring and training now. And yes dangerous, one of the highest work comp rates as I recall.

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Response to RussBLib (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:22 PM

3. does the military have extra shipping cranes?

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 01:53 PM

15. our navy has massive logistics capabilities and the ships for it

but we have huge bases too. I wonder if the huge naval base in San Diego could be used as a temporary additional cargo port? The navy operates its own container ships. The navy's Shughart class cargo / logistics ships are 900 feet, 55k tons - pretty close to the size of a panamax size container ship.

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Response to RussBLib (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:23 PM

4. Hah!! - Thought this was the LA joke that got Tom SEGURA in trouble!1



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Response to RussBLib (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:24 PM

6. They are doing it in England, according to a poster yesterday.

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Response to RussBLib (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:44 PM

11. All those military guys just laying around the barracks

Getting fat off the government teat with nothing to do...

First problem- do you know how to offload a container ship? Guess what- most of them don't either.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:49 PM

12. I'm sure some training would be in order

... but they have experience in shipping all sorts of stuff overseas: planes, trucks, food, barracks, all sorts of logistics. And driving a truck is not all that hard.

it could be done

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 02:11 PM

17. Insider secret-

Most of that shipping is done by civilian contractors.

The military does have thousands of drivers but most of them are not trained on semis. Truck driving school for a class A CDL is a minimum 6-8 weeks. You don't want to just toss the keys of a Peterbuilt to a 19 year old PFC and tell him to drive this truck to Omaha.

ETA> rail is more efficient than trucking however- Why The U.S. Army’s Rail Transport System Is A Wreck

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Response to RussBLib (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 12:50 PM

13. If you can magic up some dockspace and loading cranes, I'm sure they'd be happy to help.

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Response to RussBLib (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 01:17 PM

14. This is is like a perfect storm shortages of everything, shortage of workers, increasing gas

prices and high inflation. Then ad the compete failure to get Democrats in line to pass our agenda. It the recipe for a total blood bath next year.

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Response to RussBLib (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 02:28 PM

18. How about we buy less imported junk

and increase the manufacture of more necessary items here? As a country we managed to get by for decades without loads of inflatable lawn items - customized for each real or Hallmarked holiday - and other use-once-then-landfill stuff. (Yeah, I'm feeling curmudgeonly after walking past the 5th house with a yard full of inflatable pumpkins and ghosts - and the month isn't halfway through!)

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Response to RussBLib (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 06:37 PM

22. How about no.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 06:53 PM

23. ooo

very persuasive

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:04 PM

24. What can I say? Not a fan of using the military as scabs.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #24)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:46 PM

26. I don't think it's being scabs

There are not enough workers. AFAIK there are no active strikes on the docks, nor are truckers on strike. It would just be supplying some of the personnel that is needed until the companies and/or unions can staff back up.

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Response to RussBLib (Original post)

Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:13 PM

25. Hard pass on that, for me.

First of all, because there aren't a lot of military guys that specialize in 'unloading stuff'.

Secondly, I don't want to see our military used to solve 'problems' (real or perceived) at home

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