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Fri Oct 8, 2021, 10:47 AM

People wonder why I call chiropractors quacks?

Just read this article about the quackery in chiropractic.

Anti-vaccine chiropractors rising force of misinformation

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — The flashy postcard, covered with images of syringes, beckoned people to attend Vax-Con ‘21 to learn “the uncensored truth” about COVID-19 vaccines.

Participants traveled from around the country to a Wisconsin Dells resort for a sold-out convention that was, in fact, a sea of misinformation and conspiracy theories about vaccines and the pandemic. The featured speaker was the anti-vaccine activist who appeared in the 2020 movie “Plandemic,” which pushed false COVID-19 stories into the mainstream. One session after another discussed bogus claims about the health dangers of mask wearing and vaccines.

https://www.wbay.com/2021/10/08/anti-vaccine-chiropractors-rising-force-misinformation/

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 10:54 AM

1. I wonder if this person would care ...

If the surgeon operating on them wore no mask, or washed their hands, or wore no gloves prior to performing surgery?

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:23 AM

2. If they would just limit themselves to giving backrubs I wouldn't have a problem with chiropractors,

but too often they are practitioners of useless and occasionally harmful treatments. Some claim they can even cure cancer with spinal "alignments." The underlying philosophy of chiropractic easily lends itself to anti-science beliefs contrary to legitimate medicine.

I know this thread will generate responses about how the poster's back pain was managed or cured by a chiropractor, and if that happened, fine. But if I want a back rub I'll go to a spa and get a massage, which will be cheaper anyhow; I don't want someone yanking my neck around and then trying to sell me supplements.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:43 AM

6. A lot of chiropractors buy into a variety of alt-medicine ideas

And some of them, like the one my parents took me too in the '50s were outright frauds. He used a diagnostic machine very much like this:



Museum of Quackery and Medical Frauds

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/museum-quackery

It came with a wrist band and a head band, very like a lie detector machine. After the diagnostic session, his assistant took you to another room where plates were put on the front and back of the chest and attached to what I assume was a radio frequency generator. I can only hope that it didn't really have enough power to induce RF heating of the lung tissue as a way to cure bronchitis.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:51 AM

7. Toftness Radiation Detector

With just a little bit of PVC pipe and a few couplings, you can create a piece of woo that will make millions of dollars!

Chiropractor Irwing N. Toftness fashioned such a device back in 1971. Called the Toftness Radiation Detector, it supposedly detected energy emanating from compressed spinal nerves. A trained chiropractor could then utilize the device to trace the energy back to the source, where he or she could then employ spinal adjustments to treat the underlying problems.

https://www.realclearscience.com/lists/historical_quackery/toftness_radiation_detector.html

Chiropractic Quackery: The Toftness Radiation Detector

This was patented in 1971, No. 3,626,930, and was outlawed by the FDA as completely worthless in 1984.



http://www.museumofquackery.com/devices/chiro.htm

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:25 AM

3. Many are anti-vax quacks

not all but many are.

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Response to CrackityJones75 (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 04:23 PM

13. The infamous "Life College of Chiropractic" in Marietta, GA used to teach their students that...

CHIROPRACTIC practice "eradicated/cured" polio--not the vaccine. That was among the least of their problems over the years, as I recall they were closed down for some time by GA regulators/investigators over some fraud issues. I understand they are going strong again, though.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:28 AM

4. I think it's almost by accident that they can be good for some back pain issues...

...because the theory behind chiropratic is complete batshit crazy.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:34 AM

5. Same with some Naturopaths..

Who look down their noses at "allopathic medicine".

"Pastor" Ernie Sanders, the hate monger with a daily radio show out of Cleveland, OH, had a guest on yesterday who was one of these nutjobs. Said, without evidence of course, that the people dying of Covid in hospitals are not the unvaccinated, but those who have submitted to government tyranny and gotten the vaccine. He explains further that since these people are not fully protected for 14 days, that they are the superspreaders, since getting the shots makes it more likely to spread.

Hard to keep up with all the BS.

Thanks for the alert about "Plandemic"; hadn't heard of it.

I use quotes with the word "Pastor", since Sanders got his BA from Liberty "University".

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Response to Permanut (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 01:11 PM

12. Liberty U

A real estate investment trust disguised as a university.

My nephew goes to law school there. His mother is a religulous Christain--all about God and Jeebus on her FB page, yet i see none of that in her actual life. Nephew is going into real estate law, it's all he talks about. During his first year, he made a post about something political, saying "They teach us in law school you have to back your opinion with evidence." Well, duh. Had he been in my 9th grade English class, he'd have learned that a lot sooner than law school.

Funny, but he signed a student behavior contract, a code of conduct expressly forbidding intermingling or canoodling with the opposite sex. He is, of course, selling with his girlfriend, and was seeing this one while he was still seeing his ex girlfriend, whom he was also sleeping with.

Lawyerin' for Jeebus.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 11:57 AM

8. I go to folks with actual legit education and clinical experience

Licensed Massage Therapists.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:10 PM

9. I don't wonder why anyone would call chiropractors quacks.

I do wonder though why anyone wouldn't, at least anyone who understood even the basics of SBM (science based medicine).

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:12 PM

10. With you all the way on chiros being quacks.

True story: in law school I briefly did some medical review work for a personal injury lawyer. Their favorite thing is to send people to chiropractors to get a little temporary relief while racking up damages for the insurance company to pay. Some higher end ones have deals with some legit docs (orthopedists, neurologists, etc.) to be able to refer a patient over and have the bill deferred until after a settlement. But many bottom-feeders just make deals with chiros.

My last day working for him, and my vow to never do PI work, happened when I reviewed a case that clearly showed the worst of the damage was done BY the chiro-quack. The accident victim had severe neck pain and headaches. Never did the chiro order an X-ray or MRI, or refer her to someone competent as she kept getting worse and worse FOR A YEAR. He just kept manipulating her neck. Her hands, then arms became numb. Her fingers became useless. The pain was excruciating. She was fainting.

Finally, in the midst of a terrible episode of pain and being unable to use her arms, she went to ER. They did imaging, and it turns out that she had 2 fractured vertebrae that were constantly being moved around since the accident, by the quack’s manipulations. At that point, she needed emergency surgery to avoid paralysis. Never mind an accident case - this should have been a MALPRACTICE case.

Never will I trust a chiro-quack.,This is only one of many incidents of both egregiously negligent behavior and attempts to treat (incorrectly, sometimes with snake oil) illnesses and conditions far outside their realm, that I’ve personally seen. The entire “profession” should be stripped of medical licensure and relegated to the same status as essential oil pushers and bleach peddlers, never mind their powerful lobby.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 01:05 PM

11. I knew a Chiro who got out of the business... That's Business with a capitol B

He said every seminar he went to for "continuing education" was all about drumming up more patients, keeping said patients and how to slip more charges into the bill... Fellow Chiro's only wanted to talk about how to charge more money for their services...
Not what he signed up for.. He wanted to help people not generate billable charges...
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