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Chin music Oct 2021 OP
malaise Oct 2021 #1
Chin music Oct 2021 #3
malaise Oct 2021 #4
malaise Oct 2021 #5
gab13by13 Oct 2021 #6
malaise Oct 2021 #9
gab13by13 Oct 2021 #11
Hekate Oct 2021 #15
malaise Oct 2021 #17
malaise Oct 2021 #18
Pachamama Oct 2021 #33
malaise Oct 2021 #2
PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #7
Chin music Oct 2021 #8
PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #14
Chin music Oct 2021 #19
PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #23
Chin music Oct 2021 #24
Jakes Progress Oct 2021 #27
PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #29
gab13by13 Oct 2021 #10
Chin music Oct 2021 #12
gab13by13 Oct 2021 #13
Chin music Oct 2021 #20
Hekate Oct 2021 #16
SheltieLover Oct 2021 #21
left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 #22
canetoad Oct 2021 #25
brooklynite Oct 2021 #26
Jakes Progress Oct 2021 #28
Grasswire2 Oct 2021 #30
ShazzieB Oct 2021 #35
stopdiggin Oct 2021 #31
Trust_Reality Oct 2021 #32
Pachamama Oct 2021 #34
Chin music Oct 2021 #36
Walleye Oct 2021 #39
Rhiannon12866 Oct 2021 #37
Chin music Oct 2021 #38

Response to Chin music (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 08:46 PM

1. Great program tonight

For me the biggest news from the Whitehouse interview is that Clark will most likely face questions from a Grand Jury.

Let the fuckers defy subpoenas - it will be way more than criminal contempt . Expect Grand Juries.
Oop! There will be consequences for this failed coup.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 08:53 PM

4. LOL

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:01 PM

6. Yes Yes Yes

he used the words grand jury when speaking of Clark. Do you remember the name of the group that Whitehouse said was backing Clark, I didn't catch it.

One doesn't decline going to a grand jury.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:04 PM

9. Here

Later career. Clark currently works as the Chief of Litigation and Director of Strategy for the New Civil Liberties Alliance (NCLA), which describes itself as a nonpartisan, nonprofit civil rights organization whose goal is "to protect constitutional freedoms from violations by the Administrative State."

Things are warming up

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Response to malaise (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:07 PM

11. I am going to have to Google them.

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Response to malaise (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:13 PM

15. Would that be the same Administrative State that Bannon wants to dismantle stone by stone?

Dollars to holes in donuts it is.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:17 PM

17. Yah think?

Yes indeed - so did Bannon write the crap Clark was spewing?
Good spot sis.

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:49 PM

33. How deep does this go?

I agree and hope there will be many facing a grand jury…

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Response to Chin music (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:02 PM

7. People get 45 days in jail for jaywalking and littering? n/t


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Response to Chin music (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:12 PM

14. All the prosecutors involved work for Merrick Garland who can fire any of them at any time.

And who most likely is very aware of the prosecutions and prosecutors' sentencing recommendations in these cases.

From: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

Every case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia.


The U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia is Channing D. Phillips

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/meet-us-attorney

Phillips was appointed by President Biden...

Channing Durward Phillips[3] (born March 9, 1958) is an attorney who has served as the acting United States attorney for the District of Columbia since March 2021. He previously served in the position from October 2015 to September 2017, under President Barack Obama.

...

On March 3, 2021, Phillips once again became acting U.S. attorney after being appointed by President Joe Biden.


"What would America do without her?"

America might have to learn to use the greatest research tool in the history of civilization (the Internet) to find the facts on their own.



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Response to Chin music (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:53 PM

23. I encourge you to research the facts for yourself even of the results aren't what you want to hear.



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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:15 PM

27. Just how do you "do the research yourself" on the internet?

On MSNBC you can hear what people who read news for a living think?
On the internet you can read what people who have a keyboard think?

I use the internet quite a bit. Not just for news and politics. About 85% of what's there is crap. I don't deny that you can find stuff there, but it's almost always the same stuff that the tv folks are talking about.

I know that some people think they have found the magic websites that have the straight poop and the real, American way truth. Mostly they've just found someone who thinks just like them. Q is an example.

Just because someone writes it on the internet doesn't make it more truthfuller.

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:25 PM

29. Like I showed in my post. If someone posits a theory about in this case the DOJ, you can go direct..

to the source (DOJ's website) and find out who is actually responsible for the prosecutions and see that:
1 - the cases are being prosecuted by The U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia.
2 - the head of the office is a Biden appointee not a Trump holdover.

The whole point about why the Internet is a great research tool is because you no longer need to take someone's spin on some event as fact you can usually go to the source.

At one time, for example, if a politician gave a speech you could only see selected excerpts or opinionated spin on the speech. Now, you can find a video of the actual speech in a matter of seconds.

Kind of ironic that so many people now are making so much money slanting facts that any one can check at the source in a matter of minutes.


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Response to Chin music (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:06 PM

10. New Civil Liberties Alliance

is a libertarian group that Jeffrey Clark is at now. I think they were behind his coup attempt. I am going to have to Google who the leaders of that group are.

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Response to Chin music (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:10 PM

13. The Koch Foundation funds them,

fucking Libertarians are the worst.

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Response to Chin music (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:16 PM

16. Thanks! Cranking up the ol' DVR right now.

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Response to Chin music (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:47 PM

21. K&R!

They should be prosecuted & sentenced to the max, including death of that magat woman!

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Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:04 PM

25. "What would America do without her?"

Don't forget a tiny pocket of SE Australia where three of us wouldn't miss her insights and knowledge.

Oh bugger! I've just fired up my bootleg stream to watch the TRMS repeat but we've gone into daylight savings. Brian's good and Rachel is next.

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Response to Chin music (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:08 PM

26. "What would America do without her?"

Get along perfectly well. I don't see the need to fawn over news personalities, even if they agree with me.

As for "are all the prosecutors tainted", I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, and I don't believe that Maddow does either.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 10:16 PM

28. Ooooh. So much cooler than the room.

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:19 PM

30. LOL

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Response to Jakes Progress (Reply #28)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 12:09 AM

35. Hee here hee!

I guess it must be nice to be confident that you know at least much as any old "news personality." I wouldn't know how that feels myself, because I'm well aware that I don't know anywhere near as much as Rachel Maddow (or any of a number of other such folks, but especially Rachel). Why would I? Keeping up with politics is my hobby. I don't expect to be as well-informed about any subject as someone who keeps up with that particular subject for a freaking living.

I must take exception with the accusation of "fawning," though. According to the Cambridge English Dicionary,
Merriam-Webster, to fawn over someone means "to praise someone too much and give them a lot of attention that is not sincere." https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/fawn-over-on-sb

There is nothing insincere about my admiration for Rachel. She's simply brilliant, and I LOVE brainy people. I've been a fan since I first saw her on TV in the mid aughts, and I've been hooked on her show since it went on the air in 2008. She knows tons more about politics than I ever will, and I greatly appreciate and enjoy her clear explanations of complicated subjects. If anyone thinks there's something wrong with that, they are welcome to keep it to themselve, because I. Don't. Care.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:37 PM

31. +1. both your points are valid (and welcome counterpoint) -(nt)-

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Response to Chin music (Original post)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:42 PM

32. What Rachel said that she did not seem to be computing for herself...

After talking about the debt limit fight, she said something like, "This is a ridiculous way to govern." I suggest that conclusion, that opinion, that perception is exactly the goal of Republicans who seek autocratic rule. They intend to convince more and more voters that democracy does not work.

Political commentators and analysts need to get a grip on this alternate paradigm.
It is the existential fight for our nation as we know it.

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Response to Trust_Reality (Reply #32)

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:53 PM

34. +100000

This is exactly the point of what is going on

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Response to Chin music (Reply #36)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 09:15 AM

39. Hell, look at how many of their own people they're willing to let die. Just to take power

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Response to Chin music (Original post)

Fri Oct 8, 2021, 03:28 AM

37. She sure is! Watching the repeat again, great job! Here's the video(s) for those who missed it:

Political Hijacking Of DOJ By Trump Raises Cleanup Questions For Garland - Rachel Maddow - MSNBC
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017685978

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