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Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:13 AM

Treason Evidence Grows As Trump Plotted Pressure Campaign Against Pence

https://www.politicususa.com/2021/10/02/treason-evidence-grows-as-trump-plotted-pressure-campaign-against-pence.html


Posted on Sat, Oct 2nd, 2021 by Jason Easley
Treason Evidence Grows As Trump Plotted Pressure Campaign Against Pence
Trump plotted a pressure campaign from inside the White House against his own vice president to get him to overturn the election.


Trump Plotted His Coup Inside The White House

The New York Times reported:

Still, by early January 2021, amid his wide-ranging effort to overturn the election results, Mr. Trump had become so enamored of Mr. Eastman’s advice that the two teamed up in an Oval Office meeting to pressure Mr. Pence to intervene to help Mr. Trump remain in power by delaying the Jan. 6 certification of Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory.

In a two-page memo written by Mr. Eastman that had been circulated to the White House in the days before the certification — revealed in the new book “Peril” by the Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Robert Costa — Mr. Eastman said that Mr. Pence as vice-president was “the ultimate arbiter” of the election, essentially saying he had the power to determine who won, and that “we should take all of our actions with that in mind.”


The Department Of Justice Must Investigate Trump

Trump and Eastman plotted a coup from inside the White House and even put it in writing. How much more evidence does the Department of Justice need before they investigate Trump for the plot to overthrow the government?

The 1/6 Committee will be making criminal referrals if they find evidence of criminal activity. Is the DOJ waiting for the Committee to refer the Trump criminals for prosecution?

The Trump crimes are out in the open. Now is the time to hold Trump and his co-conspirators accountable.

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Reply Treason Evidence Grows As Trump Plotted Pressure Campaign Against Pence (Original post)
babylonsister Oct 3 OP
spanone Oct 3 #1
FalloutShelter Oct 3 #4
spanone Oct 3 #8
gopiscrap Oct 3 #23
malaise Oct 3 #10
spanone Oct 3 #16
jmowreader Oct 3 #38
C Moon Oct 3 #47
TigressDem Oct 3 #45
empedocles Oct 3 #2
dalton99a Oct 3 #3
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 3 #20
KPN Oct 3 #31
jmowreader Oct 4 #59
cab67 Oct 3 #41
Turbineguy Oct 3 #5
Grasswire2 Oct 3 #29
Champp Oct 3 #6
Tommymac Oct 3 #7
triron Oct 3 #9
Tommymac Oct 3 #13
Lonestarblue Oct 3 #19
Tommymac Oct 3 #21
triron Oct 3 #36
ShazzieB Oct 3 #49
triron Oct 3 #50
StarfishSaver Oct 3 #53
triron Oct 3 #56
StarfishSaver Oct 3 #57
StarfishSaver Oct 3 #52
wnylib Oct 3 #54
Evolve Dammit Oct 3 #26
malaise Oct 3 #11
Tommymac Oct 3 #14
wnylib Oct 3 #55
Scrivener7 Oct 4 #61
malaise Oct 3 #12
Justice matters. Oct 3 #15
paleotn Oct 3 #17
Paladin Oct 3 #28
Grasswire2 Oct 3 #30
triron Oct 3 #37
StarfishSaver Oct 3 #58
Captain Zero Oct 3 #18
Evolve Dammit Oct 3 #27
Blue Owl Oct 3 #22
usaf-vet Oct 3 #24
C Moon Oct 3 #48
toughtony Oct 3 #25
kentuck Oct 3 #32
grantcart Oct 3 #43
RVN VET71 Oct 4 #62
Josiesdad Oct 3 #33
Kid Berwyn Oct 3 #34
Thunderbeast Oct 3 #35
kentuck Oct 3 #39
bucolic_frolic Oct 3 #40
kentuck Oct 3 #42
triron Oct 3 #44
bucolic_frolic Oct 3 #46
kentuck Oct 3 #51
burrowowl Oct 4 #60

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:16 AM

1. Lock. Him. Up.

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Response to spanone (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:30 AM

4. ...and throw away the key!

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Response to FalloutShelter (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:49 AM

8. Amen.

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Response to FalloutShelter (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:17 AM

23. yes

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Response to spanone (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:00 AM

10. THIS

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Response to malaise (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:43 AM

16. So sick of this criminal.

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Response to spanone (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 03:41 PM

38. We're past locking him up

We’re at the point where hangings are prudent.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #38)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:37 PM

47. Yes, please.

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Response to spanone (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:12 PM

45. NOW!!!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:21 AM

2. These trump on pence stories, as they get better publicized, should move the crucial 'public

sentiment' more and more.

Great.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:27 AM

3. Trump's plot to overturn the election:





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Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:06 AM

20. Thanks for posting this I've been wanting to read it. I guess I missed this detail

Alternative electoral slates. Are there really seven states that had two slates of electors?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:20 PM

31. Good question. I think the answer is NO. There are 6 States(PA/GA/WI/MI/AZ/NV) that did have

"shadow slates of electors" set up by their legislatures, but there was and is no legal basis for these "shadow slates". At least that's the way I understand it in a nut shell. Here's a link and some excerpts:

[link:https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/16/instagram-posts/no-key-swing-states-did-not-cast-electoral-votes-b/|

Under Article II of the Constitution, each state legislature has complete discretion as to how it chooses its electors. Since the late 1800s, all electors have been appointed by popular vote. (Electors in Maine and Nebraska are chosen by popular vote at the congressional district rather than state level.)

During presidential elections, a vote for a particular presidential candidate is actually a vote for the slate of electors nominated by that candidate’s political party. The electors that win the popular vote in each state become eligible to cast votes in the electoral college for their party’s candidate.


However, in key swing states, would-be Trump electors — often referred to as "shadow electors" — gathered on the same day as the certified Biden electors and cast symbolic votes for Trump.

Election law experts told us that the votes of these shadow electors, however, have no legal significance because they were not certified by state governments.

Since Biden won the popular vote in all states mentioned in the post, the only electors with legal standing to cast electoral votes are those approved by their state’s respective governors and certified pursuant to state law,

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Response to KPN (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:15 AM

59. IIRC it wasn't "by the legislatures"

I seem to remember that in six states, Trump supporters ginned-up fake certificates of ascertainment and sent them in on the theory that the one that gets to the Archivist first is the one that counts.

Which, of course, isn't true - the official certificate needs to be signed by the governor and secretary of state, and sealed with the state seal. If it was "whoever gets there first wins," I'm fairly certain I could have found three Biden supporters in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, who'd have signed a homemade CofA and we could have had it to Washington the day after the election.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:37 PM

41. No

People in Pence’s office researched that claim before Jan. 6 and found nothing.

I’m sure there were lots of people claiming to be alternate electors, but each state (including the seven Trump wanted to be fraudulent) sent one slate.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:33 AM

5. Eastman

Firing squad.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:02 PM

29. Rosenberg remedy for Trumps, too. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:33 AM

6. For attacking America, Republican traitors deserve justice

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:48 AM

7. MSNBC...CNN...Rachel...Chris...Kim...Anderson...Brianna...WHERE THE FUCK are you?

AGGHHHHGGGHHACKACKBLURP

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Response to Tommymac (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:59 AM

9. Rachel is there. No one else else.

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Response to triron (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:06 AM

13. Thanks, my bad, I guess I missed Rachel's response among all the noise the crickets are making

My apologies to Ms. Maddow.

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Response to Tommymac (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:59 AM

19. Where is the DOJ?

There’s ample evidence of an attempted overthrow of a fair election. If you attempt a murder but fail, you’re still charged with a crime. Why does attempted insurrection deserve less?

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:10 AM

21. Good Question. nt

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 02:37 PM

36. Yep. Trump, Giuliani, Flynn, and a few others should have been arrested on the spot.

Something is NOT right. Is Garland another Chamberlain?

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #19)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:59 PM

49. We don't know exactly what the DOJ is doing.

That doesn't mean they are doing nothing, and we should not assume that is the case.

As much as we would like to know all the details of any ongoing investigation(s), we are not going to know them until such time as things have reached a point where that information can be shared publucly without jeopardizing said investigation(s).

The only thing that is safe to assume right now is that we do not have access to all the facts. It's unfair to jump to the conclusion that DOJ isn't investigating what they should be investigating or that Garland isn't doing his job, based on the profoundly limited set of facts that are available to the public (i.e., US) at this time.

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #49)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 07:26 PM

50. We know enough including that was broadcast in broad daylight on a multitude of TV stations.

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Response to triron (Reply #50)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:38 PM

53. What you saw on tv is not evidence sufficient to support an indictment, much less a conviction

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #53)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:05 PM

56. And this is based on what?

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Response to triron (Reply #56)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:01 PM

57. Based on my knowledge as an attorney of what constitutes evidence

 

On what are you basing your claim that what you saw on television is sufficient to charge and convict Donald Trump of treason or any other crime?

Please be specific. Explain the elements of the crime you think he should be charged with, set out the actual evidence you believe has been established to prove it and tell us how that evidence would support an indictment and what rules of evidence would permit that evidence to be introduced in a trial.

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #49)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:35 PM

52. Thank you

 

But you will find that no matter how clearly, eloquently, often, or patiently you explain that, you will get pushback.

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #49)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:53 PM

54. For the most part, I agree with you and

have promoted the same view as your post.

But even I am beginning to think that there is enough evidence to press charges against several of these people, Trump included. The documents and statements that have been made public seem to me to be strong enough evidence.

I hope that DOJ is not holding back out of concern over a possible violent reaction to charges and prosecutions of these characters because violence and government overthrow are just as likely from them if they are not prosecuted and convicted.

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Response to Tommymac (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:51 AM

26. Great question. Ack!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:02 AM

11. I hope they subpoena Pence

and make him answer questions under oath

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Response to malaise (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:08 AM

14. I think they should subpoena Momma instead.

May as well quiz the 'brains' behind the wooden dummy.

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Response to malaise (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:01 PM

55. What surprises me about Pence is that

he actually refused to go along with the coup and sought legal advice about what he should do.

Poor Pence. He stayed quiet and robotic for 4 years at TFG's side, hoping for his own chance at the presidency eventually. But no Republican would ever vote for him now and no Democrat ever would have anyway. His political career is over and being TFG's silent shadow got him nowhere.

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Response to malaise (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:07 AM

61. I hope they subpoena SOMEONE! ANYONE!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:29 AM

15. But, but, but... all former POTUS must walk away scot-free... /sarcasm

Apparently, might as well replace the Constitution with... "politics"

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:50 AM

17. I sincerely hope there's much going on in Justice around this

that's just not public. That this administration isn't being weak kneed and "playing by the rules" it seems everyone else discarded ages ago. I sincerely hope. Otherwise, we're done. If we don't cut out this cancer, we're done. Jan 6 will be regarded as the American rendition of the comical, beer hall putsch. The undercard to the main event.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:59 AM

28. Democrats' allegiance to fair-play rules will be the death of this republic.

I've been saying this for years. When---if ever---do we fight back against trump's fascist hordes?

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Response to Paladin (Reply #28)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:05 PM

30. Hey, citizen! Look forward, not back!!

Isn't that what we have been instructed for several decades now ... as GOP worked toward this moment with outrage after outrage?

It's like overly permissive parenting. Eventually the bill comes due, with a monster on your hands.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #28)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 02:41 PM

37. Fair play?? How do you figure that? How is this treason treated with 'head up the butt' fairplay?

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Response to Paladin (Reply #28)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:03 PM

58. Democrats' allegiance to fair-play rules is going to help save this republic

 

Once that's thrown out the window, there's no Republic to save.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 10:56 AM

18. Subpoena Pence. Full direct questions. Televised.

He needs to be on the record about what he was being pressured to do. It needs to be widespread public information.

Subpoena Quayle too. Ask him about the contacts from Pence for advice on the VP role in the transition.

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:52 AM

27. Having these hearings televised is key.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:15 AM

22. Plotted Pressure Campaign on Potted Plant

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:41 AM

24. I know this sounds crazy. But if Pence is planning to run for POTUS in the future HE BETTER.....

.... come clean with what he knows NOW.

Otherwise as the truth trickles out in the months to come and it becomes evident he lied WHO in their right mind would vote for him?


I know Republicans!!

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #24)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:42 PM

48. Pence doesn't appear to want to do anything...

except what people tell him to do.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 11:49 AM

25. The Reality

Eastman goes to jail for treason
Trump will get 4 more years as POTUS to do it all over again.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:21 PM

32. Treason is a concept Americans do not allow themselves to think about.

But we know that it has been the issue all along.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #32)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:56 PM

43. Treason is specifically defined in the Constitution, this is not Treason


Treason, perhaps the only crime defined in the US Constitution involves giving aid to the enemy during wartime

Obviously doesn't come close to Trump's actions.

Sedition involves undermining the Constitution and government which is exactly what he was doing.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #43)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 06:35 AM

62. Exactly.

You can be a “traitor” (lower case) without being a “Traitor”.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:35 PM

33. And thus shall be the legacy of Donald John Trump.

The lies have begat more lies and then even more... When he dies can you imagine any large projects bearing his name? Will there be anything like The Ronald Reagan National Airport named after Trump? Even GWB got a street named after him in Tbilisi Georgia.

Nope... the only large overgrown project that is going to have his name on it when he is gone is going to be his crypt. And his heirs in an effort to both break-even and prove to the world that the entrepreneurial gene did not skip a generation are going to install a pay toilet inside the main chamber that drains into his coffin. They are projecting a truly HUGE income stream!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 12:42 PM

34. Make Trump Traitors pay.

Bigly.

Only way to stop these NAZIs.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 02:34 PM

35. In the current poisoned environment...

...Who thinks twelve jurors would return a unanimous guilty verdict against TFG?

His defense will be a mix of executive privilege and freedom to explore any legal avenues available with his advisors. Reasonable doubt will be easy for some clown on the jury in a MAGA hat.

The DOJ has a VERY heavy burden here.

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Response to Thunderbeast (Reply #35)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 04:06 PM

39. OJ got off with a trial of his peers...

...but just about everyone knew he was guilty.

Let a jury decide.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:37 PM

40. For 2024 you don't want

acquittals or martyrdom. Indictments in the moment hold the least risk.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #40)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:48 PM

42. How do you guarantee a conviction in a jury trial?

No matter how much evidence you have, the jurors are still human and subject to manipulation and bias.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 05:56 PM

44. So let Trump and the other ringleaders walk? Terrible choice imo.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:29 PM

46. Yes that's what I'm saying.

If indictments and trials are looming or ongoing, you don't have to guarantee a conviction. Sadly, the public will choose a side.

I just wonder what Democrats could do to fight harder. We know what's going on, maybe it's up to Democrats to define the game and make the case and convict a few of these miscreants.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #46)

Sun Oct 3, 2021, 07:55 PM

51. There is no guarantee of a conviction, no matter how long they wait...

Also, no matter the verdict in a trial, people will already have their opinions of guilt or innocence.

If he were found guilty, he would just appeal to his followers with the old "witch hunt" argument.

I would agree that they need to convict a few of those miscreants that identify with his cult. That might go a long way in exposing his part in the Insurrection and other crimes.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:20 AM

60. Very interesting!

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