Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:27 AM

Casady1 (1,520 posts)

Norm McDonald- great?

I am surprised there was so little comment on Norm McDonald's passing. Great or not?

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Norm McDonald- great? (Original post)	Casady1	Sep 2021	OP
Don't know that much about him	Ex Lurker	Sep 2021	#1
You are absolutely wrong. He was no conservative. He was absolutely a biting comic & a good one	hlthe2b	Sep 2021	#7
He palled around with Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan	AZSkiffyGeek	Sep 2021	#11
He was apolitical and got the NYT to correct a story that suggested he was a Republican.	hlthe2b	Sep 2021	#13
There was	Rebl2	Sep 2021	#2
Yes, I've seen his passing mentioned frequently	PatSeg	Sep 2021	#18
I liked him, but didn't know he had passed.	patricia92243	Sep 2021	#3
I liked him. He seemed to understand the absurdity of life.	Polly Hennessey	Sep 2021	#4
Okay.... not great. Have seen lots of posts for him	LakeArenal	Sep 2021	#5
Do a search (Norm MacDonald) There were LOTs of threads & more since with video of his performances.	hlthe2b	Sep 2021	#6
I found him to be pretty funny...	VarryOn	Sep 2021	#8
He had a following	True Dough	Sep 2021	#9
Watching Norm Macdonald was like watching Henry Fonda pick blueberries.	Dr. Strange	Sep 2021	#10
He had his own unique comic style.	Tommy Carcetti	Sep 2021	#12
GREAT	MenloParque	Sep 2021	#14
He was funny but said mean things	arlyellowdog	Sep 2021	#15
His celebrity Jeopardy Burt Reynolds was hilarious	Walleye	Sep 2021	#16
There were dozens of threads on his passing	blm	Sep 2021	#17
I only see Roseanne show	Casady1	Sep 2021	#19
He also wrote for SNL.	Dr. Strange	Sep 2021	#20
He wrote most of the material he used on SNL	blm	Sep 2021	#24
Woody Allen	Casady1	Sep 2021	#25
Uh. Different styles altogether.	blm	Sep 2021	#28
Who are great writers to you?	Casady1	Sep 2021	#30
Don't want to	blm	Sep 2021	#31
thanks very informative	Casady1	Sep 2021	#32
His takedown of Carrot Top on Conan was magnificent	Orrex	Sep 2021	#21
You must not be on the internet much	BradAllison	Sep 2021	#22
His Bob Dole was hilarious	Polybius	Sep 2021	#23
Are you saying it wasn't mentioned on DU?	FakeNoose	Sep 2021	#26
I did a search and not that much came up	Casady1	Sep 2021	#27
I provided search results upstream. You misspelled his last name (should be MacDonald)	hlthe2b	Sep 2021	#33
Oh yeah Norm was awesome!	Initech	Sep 2021	#29
Ridiculous post. There were many posts on him as soon as it was announced.	maxsolomon	Sep 2021	#34
A few years ago I watched everything	BootinUp	Sep 2021	#35
would OJ's BFF had fired him if Dole had won in 96?	pstokely	Sep 2021	#36
He was a subtle brutalist. He turned cliches on their ears	Bucky	Sep 2021	#37
there were plenty, you're just a week late [nt]	cadoman	Sep 2021	#38
I think he was	Dorian Gray	Sep 2021	#39
Reminds me of Andy Kaufman	Casady1	Sep 2021	#41
YES!	Dorian Gray	Sep 2021	#42
and just like Andy	Casady1	Sep 2021	#43
lol	Dorian Gray	Sep 2021	#45
watch midnight in Paris	Casady1	Sep 2021	#47
I've seen Midnight in Paris	Dorian Gray	Sep 2021	#48
It is brilliant	Casady1	Sep 2021	#51
Really?	BannonsLiver	Sep 2021	#49
They both tried to make the viewer uncomfortable	Casady1	Sep 2021	#52
Loved Norm. Very sorry to see him go so young	Takket	Sep 2021	#40
My favorite joke he ever did on weekend update	BannonsLiver	Sep 2021	#44
We Saw It Covered	ProfessorGAC	Sep 2021	#46
He was funny, but his delivery/timing threw me off a bit	MissMillie	Sep 2021	#50
great comedians have great timing	Casady1	Sep 2021	#53

Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:28 AM

Ex Lurker (3,661 posts)

1. Don't know that much about him

but he seemed to have some conservative, or at least libertarian, beliefs. I could be wrong.

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Response to Ex Lurker (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:33 AM

hlthe2b (95,538 posts)

7. You are absolutely wrong. He was no conservative. He was absolutely a biting comic & a good one

Maybe you confuse him with Dennis Miller? The latter most definitely is a conservative a'hole.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:40 AM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,451 posts)

11. He palled around with Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan

There was definitely a right-wing edge to him.
That said, he was still funny as hell and his comedy didn't seem political to me.
And there was a lot of posts about his passing a couple weeks ago.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:44 AM

hlthe2b (95,538 posts)

13. He was apolitical and got the NYT to correct a story that suggested he was a Republican.

From his WAPO memoriam: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/norm-macdonald-appreciation/2021/09/15/315f6f52-15eb-11ec-b976-f4a43b740aeb_story.html )

Norm hated groupthink and conformity. A few years ago, a writer at the New Yorker referenced him as a Republican and Norm was horrified. He would have felt the same way had he been labeled a Democrat. He wrote to me wondering how such an error could be corrected; I passed him New Yorker Editor David Remnick’s email and it was.

Many here have friends/relatives who are conservative. I go to the dog park with a friend who I stood by the past three years during the death of her husband. We DON'T talk politics and have our dogs and a few other things in common. He likewise played Bob Dole on SNL (causing Dole to remark on his passing) just as Alec Baldwin did Trump. Does that make him a conservative?

If you made that broad assumption by the company comics frequently keep, then they must ALL be conservative. Comedy attracts comics to each other. In reality he was more apolitical, but he absolutley denied being conservative.

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:29 AM

Rebl2 (9,829 posts)

2. There was

on a couple of networks, particularly NBC.

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Response to Rebl2 (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:06 AM

PatSeg (44,556 posts)

18. Yes, I've seen his passing mentioned frequently

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:29 AM

patricia92243 (12,373 posts)

3. I liked him, but didn't know he had passed.

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:29 AM

Polly Hennessey (5,267 posts)

4. I liked him. He seemed to understand the absurdity of life.

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:32 AM

LakeArenal (25,306 posts)

5. Okay.... not great. Have seen lots of posts for him

Not really a fan of rude comedians.
Get enough of that in life.

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:32 AM

hlthe2b (95,538 posts)

6. Do a search (Norm MacDonald) There were LOTs of threads & more since with video of his performances.

He will be very much missed.

Here are the most recent search results, but be sure to spell his name "MacDonald"

OP Norm McDonald- great? Casady1 9:27 AM General Discussion
OP Did I imagine seeing a certain final Norm MacDonald video? Frasier Balzov Yesterday The DU Lounge
OP Conan Talks About Norm Macdonald Swede Saturday Video & Multimedia
OP Norm and his Mom making jokes mucifer Saturday The DU Lounge
OP 35 Minutes of my fave Norm Macdonald bits KG Thursday The DU Lounge
OP Bob Saget remembering Norm Dr. Strange Thursday The DU Lounge
OP Howard Stern Remembers Norm Macdonald ItsjustMe Thursday The DU Lounge
OP Norm Macdonald, Comedian and 'Saturday Night Live' Star, Dies at 61 Hugh_Lebowski Wednesday The DU Lounge
OP It's things like this that got Norm McDonald fired as the host of "Weekend Update." mahatmakanejeeves Wednesday The DU Lounge
OP Norm Macdonald on Bowel Cancer mucifer Wednesday The DU Lounge
OP I can't handle Norm dying and Elders winning on the same day Johonny Sep 14 General Discussion
OP Seth Meyers Remembers Norm Macdonald Rhiannon12866 Sep 14 Video & Multimedia
OP Norm McDonald makes the same punchline funny over and over and over again underpants Sep 14 The DU Lounge
OP I didn't remember Norm MacDonald until I saw this: El Supremo Sep 14 The DU Lounge
OP RIP Norm McDonald. "I'm Kinda Glad The Fonz Is Sittin Between Us. It Makes Me Feel Safe." TrollBuster9090 Sep 14 Video & Multimedia
OP Norm Macdonald Last Stand Up on Letterman Swede Sep 14 Video & Multimedia
OP Norm Macdonald, Comedian and 'Saturday Night Live' Star, Dies at 61 CatWoman Sep 14 General Discussion
OP Norm Macdonald Dies: Influential Comedian & Former 'SNL' Weekend Update Anchor Was 61 TheProle Sep 14 Latest Breaking News
OP Norm Macdonald Dies: Influential Comedian & Former 'SNL' Weekend Update Anchor Was 61 Nittersing Sep 14 General Discussion
OP Norm Ornstein - Want to know why our democracy is teetering at the edge? EleanorR Sep 1 General Discussion
OP Norm Ornstein - Want to know why our democracy is teetering at the edge? EleanorR Sep 1 General Discussion
OP Norm Ornstein: A solution to the voter ID standoff

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:34 AM

VarryOn (2,343 posts)

8. I found him to be pretty funny...

With some many fellow comedians honoring him, he was clearly liked.

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:34 AM

True Dough (14,735 posts)

9. He had a following

and he had some clever lines, but I never found his brand of humor to be much to my liking. So I'd be reluctant to call him one of the comedy "greats."

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:39 AM

Dr. Strange (25,668 posts)

10. Watching Norm Macdonald was like watching Henry Fonda pick blueberries.

There were a few threads.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142799955
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181558817
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215854723
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017682139
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017681294
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181558998

Great or not? To me: the greatest.

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:42 AM

Tommy Carcetti (41,806 posts)

12. He had his own unique comic style.

I actually saw him perform once at my college. Some people went away claiming "He sounds drunk." I'm assuming they had never seen him before. (And yes, quite possibly he actually was drunk. But that was always part of his delivery style, for better or worse.)

I did see this clip today and I will admit I literally snort-laughed when he got to the punch line. He was probably one of the few comics I know of who could actually pull off this type of delivery. (And his subtle invocation of Kafka themed imagery makes me think he was actually a lot smarter than his "rambling drunk guy" persona let off.)

Enjoy:

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:54 AM

MenloParque (429 posts)

14. GREAT

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:00 AM

arlyellowdog (864 posts)

15. He was funny but said mean things

Especially about women.

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:01 AM

Walleye (21,597 posts)

16. His celebrity Jeopardy Burt Reynolds was hilarious

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:04 AM

blm (110,730 posts)

17. There were dozens of threads on his passing

And lots of video clips posted, as well.

He was a significant writer and comedian for that timeframe.

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Response to blm (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:09 AM

Casady1 (1,520 posts)

19. I only see Roseanne show

for his writing credits. Am I wrong?

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Response to Casady1 (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

Dr. Strange (25,668 posts)

20. He also wrote for SNL.

And Dennis Miller's early talk show.

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Response to Casady1 (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:29 AM

blm (110,730 posts)

24. He wrote most of the material he used on SNL

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:45 AM

Casady1 (1,520 posts)

25. Woody Allen

to me is an example of a great comedic writer. to me. His early career was writing for many people and then he wrote "Midnight in Paris" which is really ingenious. I'm surprised Norm didn't write like this.

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Response to Casady1 (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:52 AM

blm (110,730 posts)

28. Uh. Different styles altogether.

I don’t get why that would ‘surprise’ anyone. And I’m quite familiar with genius-level humor and comedy writing.

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Response to blm (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:56 AM

Casady1 (1,520 posts)

30. Who are great writers to you?

My friend movie is being started in a couple of weeks. Dustin Hoffman is starring in it. He wrote for Sesame street for years and was the writer for Burt and Ernie. I have great admiration for writing. I just thought Norm would have written more.

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Response to Casady1 (Reply #30)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 12:22 PM

blm (110,730 posts)

31. Don't want to

get into this too much, as most longtime DUers already know that I had a long term relationship with Michael O’Donoghue (National Lampoon, SNL originator). And another longtime friend, Marty Callner, originated the HBO comedy specials, and directed George Carlin and Robin Williams in their shows, as well as many other comedy stars of the last 4 decades.

But, that’s all I have time to post right now.

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Response to blm (Reply #31)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 12:23 PM

Casady1 (1,520 posts)

32. thanks very informative

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Response to Casady1 (Original post)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:20 AM

Orrex (62,060 posts)

21. His takedown of Carrot Top on Conan was magnificent

And you simply must watch a compilation of his SNL attacks on OJ. Some of the most amazing stuff I’ve ever seen on tv.

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:27 AM

BradAllison (1,873 posts)

22. You must not be on the internet much

Norm's gotten a lot of talk everywhere for 2 weeks.

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:28 AM

Polybius (11,920 posts)

23. His Bob Dole was hilarious

I loved him.

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:46 AM

FakeNoose (27,679 posts)

26. Are you saying it wasn't mentioned on DU?

I saw and commented on at least 10 different posts about the comic genius of Norm MacDonald. There have been several more that I didn't have time to comment on.

Norm MacDonald was one of the great comics of our boomer generation. He'll be greatly missed.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #26)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:48 AM

Casady1 (1,520 posts)

27. I did a search and not that much came up

Do you mean the baby boomer generation

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Response to Casady1 (Reply #27)

Wed Sep 22, 2021, 12:40 PM

hlthe2b (95,538 posts)

33. I provided search results upstream. You misspelled his last name (should be MacDonald)

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:54 AM

Initech (95,481 posts)

29. Oh yeah Norm was awesome!

And if you haven't seen his movie Dirty Work do it now!

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 01:04 PM

maxsolomon (29,560 posts)

34. Ridiculous post. There were many posts on him as soon as it was announced.

He was good. He wasn't a "great" comic - there aren't many that deserve that accolade.

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Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:45 PM

BootinUp (43,824 posts)

35. A few years ago I watched everything

I could find with Norm. I was obsessed for I don’t know almost a week. The guy could make almost anything funny.

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 12:57 AM

pstokely (10,321 posts)

36. would OJ's BFF had fired him if Dole had won in 96?

Last edited Thu Sep 23, 2021, 02:04 AM - Edit history (1)

and how did Tim Meadows survive?

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:49 AM

Bucky (52,169 posts)

37. He was a subtle brutalist. He turned cliches on their ears

So yes, he was absolutely brilliant as a comedian. He was also politically pretty troublesome -- anti-vax, anti-science, anti-intellectual -- and had some troubling views on women. He was frequently accused of treating female co-workers like shit. He was politically conservative, which is fine; you want smart satirists in the world going after our sacred cows. And yet for all his comic genius, he pulled his punches going after the right. His gambling addiction led him to literally bet away most of the money he made in life.

I admired how he stuck to his guns about his Christian faith, yet stayed Canadianly quiet about it. He separated from his wife, but he never divorced. And yet as gleefully as he skewered other people's beliefs as a satirist, there were a couple times when he became defensive and intolerant about people who took comic jobs at Christian religion. I loved how he played with cliches as a comedian, he was brilliant in his technique, but part of that shtick led to perpetuating some negative stereotypes.

That said, he made me think. I liked his light touch, I like your deadpan delivery, I loved his shaggy dog jokes. I wish we had another 20 years of Norm Macdonald

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 02:19 AM

cadoman (792 posts)

38. there were plenty, you're just a week late [nt]

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 05:14 AM

Dorian Gray (12,964 posts)

39. I think he was

one of the most thoughtful and funny comedians of our time. He seemed to THRIVE on awkward jokes, bombing in interview and on stage, which made him fearless as a comedian.

Having said that, he was both a complicated man and a simple man. I think his views are difficult to pin down through his public statements. I also have heard a few tales of sexual harassment back in the 90s.

He got a raw deal from NBC when he was fired from SNL. Friend of OJ's didn't like his OJ jokes.

All in all, he could be extraordinarily thoughtful at times, and he could convey deeply meaningful thoughts through his work. And then he could tell one of the most crass and unfunny jokes you've ever heard and relish in the aftermath.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #39)

Thu Sep 23, 2021, 07:49 AM

Casady1 (1,520 posts)

41. Reminds me of Andy Kaufman

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:03 PM

Dorian Gray (12,964 posts)

42. YES!

Not as extreme as Kaufman, but definitely inspired by.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:29 PM

Casady1 (1,520 posts)

43. and just like Andy

not funny. One trick pony. Same joke over and over again. to me a second rate writer. Comic genius is Woody Allen and Mel Brooks who could write for other people. They were both stand up comedians in the beginning but were brilliant enough to become artists and make great movies. Norm never really got better. I see no brilliant play on words or elevating dialogue.

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Response to Casady1 (Reply #43)

Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:33 PM

Dorian Gray (12,964 posts)

45. lol

I'll give you Mel Brooks, but Woody Allen? lol. no thanks.

Funny thing about comedy is it's all subjective.

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:38 PM

Casady1 (1,520 posts)

47. watch midnight in Paris

what a brilliant idea and screenplay. FYI, my good friend's movie is just starting. Dustin Hoffman and Sam Neill are in it. He also wrote Bert and Ernie for Sesame street. He is pretty damn smart. I have known him since 7th grade. We are on a call every friday with him.

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:43 PM

Dorian Gray (12,964 posts)

48. I've seen Midnight in Paris

I had actually seen a lot of Allen's movies. Because I don't find him particularly funny (or likable) doesn't mean I hadn't watched his movies once upon a time. (Though Midnight in Paris was the last one I watched.)

His pathologies are quite evident in his films, which make him a complicated man, and reflecting on the films he made, it's difficult for me to enjoy them in the spirit of comedy.

But like I said, comedy (like art) is subjective. And while I may have enjoyed Allen movies once upon a time (Crimes and Misdemeanors was an old favorite), it wasn't the comedy that grabbed me. Midnight in Paris doesn't feel particularly funny, either.

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Response to Dorian Gray (Reply #48)

Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:53 PM

Casady1 (1,520 posts)

51. It is brilliant

great screenplay. I see you point because after his first 4 or 5 movies he became pretty serious. Probably his funniest is banana's. He is a good writer. I guess I do think great comedy is borsch belt comedians from Groucho to Mel Brooks and beyond. The quickness and interplay and use of language is terrific. It is the quickness of mind that always gets to me.

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:46 PM

BannonsLiver (14,684 posts)

49. Really?

That’s a comparison that doesn’t make a lot of sense. Their styles were not similar at all. Not even remotely so. Though I agree, Andy Kaufman sucked. I’m not into prop comedy.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #49)

Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:55 PM

Casady1 (1,520 posts)

52. They both tried to make the viewer uncomfortable

watch the moth joke. Laborious to say the least. He was trying to use discomfort as a means to get to a punchline.

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 05:22 AM

Takket (18,271 posts)

40. Loved Norm. Very sorry to see him go so young

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:32 PM

BannonsLiver (14,684 posts)

44. My favorite joke he ever did on weekend update

Was the bit about Michael Jackson’s hospital room decorations, probably around 1996 or so.

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:35 PM

ProfessorGAC (56,797 posts)

46. We Saw It Covered

My wife saw a piece on NBC Nightly News.
I saw a piece on both CNN & WGN News. Both pieces were at least 2 minutes, probably longer.
If hadn't seen those, I doubt I'd even knew he died.

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:53 PM

MissMillie (36,901 posts)

50. He was funny, but his delivery/timing threw me off a bit

That could be a failing on my part.

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Thu Sep 23, 2021, 01:58 PM

Casady1 (1,520 posts)

53. great comedians have great timing

Rodney dangerfield. Macdonald used uncomfortableness as his signature as opposed to telling a joke and getting out of the way.

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