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[seabeyond]

1. what a fucker with his manner to women, as he stands up for gays and minorities.

what a stupid fuck. and totally diminishes all he is saying.

though many will applaud and not get it.

[snooper2]

4. you think he's reducing all white women as just fuck toys, object of his pleasure right

nail on head?

[LisaL]

5. That seems to be his message.

[seabeyond]

7. i would not relegate it to white women, but women, as a whole. ya. nt

[upi402]

18. he's annoying racists

and being extreme for effect.

we on the left are hyper-sensitive at times and miss the forest for the trees.

my .02

[seabeyond]

22. i missed nothing. the forest, nor the trees. as my post pointed out exactly.

the forest. the tree.

and damn straight i am going to point out the forest while the OP is pointing out the trees.

[grantcart]

55. Its more like they can't see the turds from the manure pile

Its in astonishingly bad taste.

I wonder how they would feel if they were a white woman in a mixed racial relationship.

I can understand making a racist feel small, but what is the point of throwing red meat at them?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240156289

[LisaL]

23. Well, I don't think it's effective.

[Mojorabbit]

104. Neither do I. Nt

[AverageJoe90]

36. IMHO, you hit the nail on the head with this one. n/t

[GoneOffShore]

38. And he's annoyed some posters here so he's okay in my book.

[MattBaggins]

43. Perhaps DU isn't the best fit for you then

[GoneOffShore]

48. He's annoying the Brothers and Sisters of Perpetual Outrage.

DU has been a good fit for me for the past ten years.

[progressivebydesign]

52. +1 been here since 2010, and it fits me, too. But then I'm not prone to PC outrage either. nt

[upi402]

53. Hypersensitivity and pole vaulting over mouse turds

must be the mold into which we must fit.

you must be a secret moslim tarrisss

[Zalatix]

65. Well then consider one men's rights advocate as a brother of perpetual outrage.

(mra, not MRA as in capital M R A because those MRA groups attack women more than they fight discrimination.)

This shit is insulting to women and it turns white women into a fetish.

I am in shock that you can get a post hidden for accusing a DUer of being an outright liar when they actually are lying, but not when someone totally objectifies women in a way no self-respecting woman, to say nothing of a feminist, would tolerate.

PS: Feminism is still allowed on the DU, right? Or are they the so-called "sisters of outrage" of which you speak?

[4th law of robotics]

116. Saying you have sex with women

is turning them in to objects?


Why? Because he didn't, in that one paragraph quote, describe every aspect of the personalities of the women he's ever slept with?

[cleanhippie]

79. "He's annoying the Brothers and Sisters of Perpetual Outrage." - BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

PERFECT!!!!!!!

[4th law of robotics]

115. It doesn't seem difficult . . .

[opiate69]

117. Sorta like...

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. What is his attitude to women?

I can't tell from that quote. To 'Fuck' is a commutative act - men fuck women, and women fuck men. So what 'attitude' do you see in him?

Please tell me you're not objecting to the use of 'girl' rather than 'woman' - I can see a silly objection like that downthread. People talk about 'girls', and 'boys', beyond the age of 18.

[demwing]

33. I get it just fine

and while I don't think its all that funny, neither is it the steaming pile of insensitivity that you're seeing.

[stevenleser]

59. Insensitive, kinda like satire about genocide would be to Jews, Roma, Armenians...

or are you saying you need to be sensitive to other minority groups when you are hitting back at bias?

Which is it, I get confused.

[backscatter712]

2. I approve this message!

[Zalatix]

62. I don't. He's insulting women. The picture in the OP is horribly distasteful.

[2ndAmForComputers]

82. Please post the jury results. I could use the entertainment.

[backscatter712]

103. Hey, if the white women in question are enjoying it, what's the harm?

Granted, there's an extremely good point that women should not be used, abused, treated like life-support systems for vaginas, or otherwise disrespected.

At the same time, contrary to popular belief, lots of women enjoy having sex. I know, shocking.

With the proviso that so long as the women in question are fucking consensually, enjoying the experience, aren't being put upon, abused or disrespected, then I approve this message!

[Goblinmonger]

120. Is it that he is talking about having sex with them?

Or that he is having sex with them?

Which one is making you so angry? And how does it insult women? Should women not be having sex? Or should the people they have sex with not be allowed to talk about it?

Is it the word "fuck" that you object to? If he said "I'm having sex with white women" would you be OK with it?

Seems like a lot of outrage and assumptions for someone just saying that he is having sexual relations with women.

[mr_hat]

3. I bet he has all the positions memorized, too.

[tarheelsunc]

6. Are they opposed to ALL interracial relationships

or just ones involving white women?

[dawg]

8. That's the dumbest thing I've seen on the internet this week.

Shows zero respect for the women he is "fucking".

Plus, the guy looks Indian or Middle-Eastern to me, which is just a darker-skinned variation of Caucasian. Which makes his point all the more stupid.

[dawg]

10. But, I had better add this ....

This could just be one of those "meme" thingies where people put different captions on a picture. The fellow in the picture may be a really nice man and have nothing at all to do with the words that have been placed under his photograph.

[Peepsite]

16. He said this on one of the late nite shows this week,jimmy kimmel iirc

[dawg]

19. Oh, okay. I don't recognize the guy.

Who the hell is he?

[Peepsite]

28. Comedic actor on either parks&rec or that community college sitcom, can't recall which

[muriel_volestrangler]

61. So some DUers are outraged about a guy none of us can name

or place, beyond "probably an actor".

[Peepsite]

73. Yes and for a joke made on a talk show at 1 AM.

[Goblinmonger]

121. Aziz Ansari. Parks & Rec.

He's hilarious. At least I think so.

[win_in_06]

14. Absolutely! It is disrespectful to fuck women!

[dawg]

15. No.

It's disrepectful to talk about it like they were just toys for his amusement. The tone implies major disrespect.

[LadyHawkAZ]

49. Historically, the most woman-oppressive institution

in existence has been marriage. Do you think there would have been the same outrage if he'd said "I married a white woman"? No, the whole of DU would have stood up and cheered.

Sex is not disrespectful.

Racism is disrespectful. Homophobia is disrespectful. Slut-shaming the women that chose to sleep with him as being "toys" for making that choice? That's disrespectful too.

[bettyellen]

54. Bravo! My sentiments exactly. Because fucking is equal opportunity FUN.

[dawg]

66. Slut shaming?

You can accuse me of slut shaming *him* if you want to, but I haven't said anything about the women who slept with him.

I think his attitude is disrespectful, and I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours.

[LadyHawkAZ]

74. Yep, slut-shaming

You are stating that they were just toys for his enjoyment, so you are making a commentary on their behavior as well. Since you've implied that they weren't also freely enjoying it ('cuz women don't enjoy sex, y'know), what were they there for? Just being rather stupid obedient dolls? Just in it for the fame and money?

If that's not what you were saying and they were also enjoying it (horrors!) then how were they disrespected?

Disrespectful AND misogynistic.

[dawg]

75. But they weren't toys for his enjoyment.

They were people.

Only I don't think *he* sees it that way.

[muriel_volestrangler]

76. Why do you think that?

I think you need to tell us why you think you have such an insight into his mind. Do you know him personally? Are there other quotes from him that reveal his thoughts, in the way that the OP quote doesn't?

[dawg]

84. My insight into his mind is just as good as yours.

The truth is probably somewhere in between.

But, you know, I really don't care. I don't know this guy, and I probably don't know anyone he's fucked.

I suppose I just bristle a little at the notion that my opinion is invalid.

[muriel_volestrangler]

86. But it's your opinion that seems to be assuming things not in evidence

Something has made you talk about 'toys', 'conquests', and 'zero respect'. But you won't tell us what.

No, I don't buy "the truth is probably somewhere in between". I'm taking what he said - that he "fucks white girls" - and you are claiming there's a lot more than that. You can't then say "well, there's probably still a bit to what I say" when you have given no basis for it. Your opinion remains unsupported.

[dawg]

87. Whatever.

I stopped caring. Marry him if you want to.

[LadyHawkAZ]

88. Marriage is a misogynistic institution. No thanks. n/t

[dawg]

89. Touche.

[LadyHawkAZ]

91. ...

[BainsBane]

122. I think that's a bit extreme

While my marriage certainly sucked, I don't think marriage is necessarily is misogynistic. Now that we can choose whether to marry, we have far greater input into the type of marriage we want. Also consider that in some states two men can and do marry. So that can't be considered misogynistic, can it? I agree that that now passed idea that women had to marry was sexist. I wouldn't call it misogynistic, however. It was a patriarchal way of ordering society.

Edit: I just realized how old this thread is. I happened to come across it in a Google search.

[muriel_volestrangler]

99. It would be illegal for me to marry him in most American states

which is, ironically, the point of what he said. But somehow, many DUers have taken what he said as a literal "where the white women at?", rather than following his point about interracial relationships being an earlier target of bigots, as same-sex marriage is now.

[progressivebydesign]

51. Oh please. And if he said I'm fucking my white wife.. is that not okay?

What he said is true, and it doesn't make any subjective point about the circumstances under which the fuck happens. He could be talking about a fiance', and all his past girlfriends. really.. people here are so easily offended.

[demwing]

31. No, it's just impolite

to enjoy it

[dawg]

37. No. It's impolite to talk about women (or men) as mere conquests.

Enjoying it is fine.

Don't get me wrong, I'm willing to fight to preserve this guy's right to act like a jerk and then brag about it afterwords. It's a free country and I want to keep it that way.

But I don't have to respect someone with his attitude. And I don't.

[demwing]

40. Then don't respect it

I don't "respect" it. I just don't think it means what you think that it means.

[muriel_volestrangler]

58. Where have you got "mere conquests" from?

Do you have another quote from him that isn't in the OP?

[Warren DeMontague]

77. Thats so generous and tolerant of you, to allow that its "fine" for people to enjoy sex!

Wow.

Maybe it shoud be up to the indiviuals themselves, as to how they choose to describe their own sex lives? If I hear feedback from one of this guy's girlfriends that they object to their coital manoeverings being referred to as "fucking", then I will take into consideration that he might be out of line.

However, if its a Bunch of non-involved strangers fulminating over their gravlax that "YOU CANT CALL THE TENDER ACT OF HUMAN CONGRESS 'FUCKING', YOU HEARTLESS BASTARD!" I will take it with a grain of salt, as DUs outrage-of-the-week (already! starring! in! meta!) yet anothet tempest in a t-shirt, if you will.

[dawg]

80. You're mistaking me for someone who actually gives a damn about this dude and his comment.

I didn't even know who the guy was, but I thought (and still think) his comment makes him sound like a jerk.

Ultimately, I really don't care.

I didn't take this to meta. I don't object to anything anyone has posted. They have the right to their opinions just as I have a right to mine.

[LadyHawkAZ]

102. At midnight tonight, I turn 40.

When I was 20, I envisioned all this anti-sex nonsense being a footnote in history by this time.

These threads have gotten so out of hand and so out-there ridiculous, that it's become like watching one of those anti-smoking ads and craving a cigarette. I'm leaving the conversations with the vague desire to host a Saturday-night orgy, just because I'm a woman and I can.

I am never going to understand this stuff.

[Warren DeMontague]

107. Hey, Happy Birthday!!!!

Even without an orgy, it'll be better than my 40th, which if I recall centered around a torrential downpour, a pediatricians office, a sick kid, a mysteriously missing diaper bag and several soggy diapers full of poop.

[LadyHawkAZ]

118. Ack! No, all the kids are hundreds of miles from here

and I am receiving the e-type of birthday hugs. The granddaughter is pooping her diapers in Virginia. I sent her my love from Utah. Everyone's happy.

[demwing]

32. Are you profiling

judging him by the color of his skin?

wow

[dawg]

35. Are you serious?

If you're going to make a big deal about "fucking white girls" shouldn't you at least be something other than caucasian yourself? Does this guy being with a "white" woman even qualify as an interracial relationship?

[demwing]

41. Yes. I'm serious.

Well, no, not really.

But go find a clan rally, and ask some fuck in a hood if he'd let his sister date the comedian in the photo.

It's a joke for crying out loud...

[dawg]

42. Well, at a clan rally probably not.

But there are plenty of racist Southerners that probably would let him date their daughter. Based on all the stereotypes they believe, they'd be more likely to think he's a doctor than they would be to think of him as black.

[demwing]

45. I hear what you're saying

but racism isn't just directed against blacks.

To many, Aziz Ansari look like a A-Rab. We're not talking bright people here.

[Bluenorthwest]

109. His name is Aziz Ansari, he was born and raised in South Carolina. His parents Muslims

from Southern India. Are you under the impression that Muslims are hyper popular in the US these days?
My guess is that Ansari knows more about this issue than either of us.

[MADem]

119. He's southwest Asian, technically... nt

[REP]

101. He's Tamil, like Jay Chandrasekhar

Ansari is on Parks & Rec and was on Uptight Citizen's Brigade with Poehler; Jay Holy Mother of God Chandrasekhar did Super Troopers, etc.

[Brickbat]

9. "Girls"? Then he should be arrested.

WTF is this shit?

[chaska]

11. I'm too racist to reply to this thread.

Racist and sexist.

[quinnox]

13. lol

[Xedniw]

17. Don't be surprised when a conservative website picks this up and uses it to persuade women that

Democrats are hypocrites.

Yes, the Democratic platform is woman-friendly, but do you think that will matter to Breitbart.com or Drudge? Remember, FACTS DON'T MATTER to conservatives, but if they can find a good "gotcha!", they'll use it.

With the closeness of the election, do we really want to take that chance?

[datasuspect]

20. derp

[demwing]

30. I will take any chance

to land a punch to the nosy noses of conservadumb.

thanks for the concern, your request will be passed along to the manager.

[Xedniw]

34. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face

And it can backfire.

And I am gravely concerned about your concern about my concern. In other words, son, I've been a Democrat longer than you've been shaving.

[demwing]

46. Maybe

I've been shaving for 40 years. if you've been a Democrat that long, congrats, but what's the point?

[muriel_volestrangler]

60. In what way would the spin this as hypocritical?

What 'gotcha' do you envisage?

And how are 'we' taking a chance? He's not a Democratic candidate, is he? Is he a major Democratic supporter? What is his connection to you and me?

[2ndAmForComputers]

81. Thank you for your concern. It is duly noted and filed appropriately.

[porphyrian]

21. . n/t

[LadyHawkAZ]

24. Ya know...

I'm just going to throw my boots on and go for a nice ride in the sunshine, without making any actual comments on this thread.

Once my blood pressure has dropped to normal, I'll maybe swing back through with some popcorn and enjoy all the silliness.

You all have fun.

[MadrasT]

25. Wait, what?

This comes off as him offering forth his sexual conquest of "white girls" as a trophy in some kind of good guys vs. bad guys battle.

Women are not goddamn trophies.

[Zalatix]

69. +1,000,000, well said.

[Nye Bevan]

26. Sometimes I really, really miss unrec (nt)

[ProfessionalLeftist]

27. Uuuummmm. NO. n/t

[Dr. Strange]

29. "I'm fucking white girls..."

Who is this pedophile? Is he a celebrity? Is he this week's SNL host?

[msanthrope]

39. Puerile. nt

[Paladin]

44. I'm Willing To Put Up With Some Overreactions Here At DU.....

.....as a trade-off for how this guy's statement is going to the rile the racist right wing.

[demwing]

47. Amen

to that

[progressivebydesign]

50. Oh dear.. the outrage/Purity/PC crowd at DU is up in arms again. I think it's funny.

You act as if women are something to be fucked with, that they have no say in the relationship.

It's funny as hell. Sad that too many liberals have become so touchy and PC that they can't even laugh at things anymore. It's not offensive in the least. And yes, I'm a female.

So if Wanda Sykes said something similar about fucking a white person, would you freak out? Or it just outrage reserved for men?

[LisaL]

56. What do you think is so funny about it?

[upi402]

57. people just *laugh* at us for this shit

call the whaaambulance for us all!!!!!!!

[grantcart]

64. Would you still think it was funny if it turned out that it was some white guy who just took some

guys picture and put the words there.

My brother in law looks like this guy.

I have lived in countries filled with guys looking like this guy and I have never heard anything like this outside of the US.

This is a very idiomatic understanding of a racially charged point of view that is 30 years old.

If it is somebody using somebody else's image then certainly even you can see that it would be not only misogynistic but racist.

[LadyHawkAZ]

68. *cough*

http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/television/2012/10/17/watch-parks-and-recreation-star-aziz-ansari-dish-chick-fil

The video is unavailable at the article but I'm sure you can find it.

[grantcart]

92. thanks, it was taken out of context

Once you put into context it is even more revolting.

Look, if you're opposed to interracial relationships, guess what: I'm fucking white girls, there's nothing you can do about it!"

Ansari added that every time he has sex with a white girl he thinks of those antigay folks opposed to interracial relationships "for a couple of pumps."

[Bluenorthwest]

111. Aziz is a comic. Here's another comic, Colbert, promoting the vicious Cardinal Dolan

“The Cardinal and Colbert: Humor, Joy, and the Spiritual Life" was the name of their first on stage outing together, at which Colbert, who plays a conservative opposed to marriage equality on TV, while claiming to be inclusive in reality, announced out of character that he loves every aspect of his faith, including the 'warts' which means he loves the anti gay dogma, which explains why he calls Dolan a 'witty, lighthearted guy' and does shows with him to promote the Chruch that hounds my people. Colbert, huge raving hypocrite pumping both sides for money. Aziz? On my side, a person like me, not like Stephen who'd drive the van that took us to reeducation camps or lynchings, because he loves those 'warts' his faith has, loves them. Warts like prop 8 and sermons against minorities they don't like-'warts' Stephen calls it, I call it ignorance and bigotry. Colbert says he loves that stuff, loves it.
So of course it is not offensive to the straights that Colbert is promoting intolerance on the side, with one of the nations permier hate mongers. Oddly what offends straights is mention of straight sex in the same breath as a support of equal rights for all. How offensive! How dare anyone mention real realationships along with 'those people'. Why is Aziz not doing something good, like launching a promo tour with some hate preacher like Colbert is doing?

[Bluenorthwest]

112. "I have lived in countries filled with guys looking like this guy" you say AND

"I have never heard anything like this outside of the US." Wow. 'Guys looking like this'. Wow. Aziz Ansari is an American guy, born and raised in South Carolina no less. His parents Muslims from Southern India.
Of course Americans often look like 'this guy'. He's American. A minority American raised in South Carolina....
What exactly was your point? Could you be specific and less round about?

[Taverner]

72. Agree 100%

There's nothing on Earth wrong with people fucking.

[demmiblue]

63. To? No, with.

Reminds me of Romney's 'if'.

[ismnotwasm]

67. After this

Not any more maybe.


I get what he's saying but it's an asshole way to say it

[Taverner]

70. Funny. NT.

[Texasgal]

71. Bleh..

and a

[SidDithers]

78. Aziz Ansari is a very funny guy...nt

Sid

[RC]

83. Reading comprehension is sadly lacking for many around here.

Try reading the whole message slowly to understand what the message is.
It is a Slam against Conservatives/Republicans and their bigoted views against anyone not them.
And the last line is nothing more than an in-your-face tweek to piss those types off.
"How dare someone not pasty white, mess with our white women. Oh, the horror!"

Too many here seem to assume the women involved had little to no say in the matter. The women I know are stronger than that. They choose who they want to have sex with. They know how to say no.
Maybe it's because I am not racist and respect women as equals and prefer stronger women over subservient women, that I can see the message better.

Yeah, respect. It's a two way street. A lesson many need to learn here.
They demand respect for their views, but offer little to none in return for differing opinion.

[billh58]

85. Finally.

A voice of reason and sanity. Thank you.

[grantcart]

93. no its just gutter guy talk that is demeaning to women and there is a little bit more

I am guessing and hoping that you don't have daughters to pass your nonchalance at this type of remark to:

Look, if you're opposed to interracial relationships, guess what: I'm fucking white girls, there's nothing you can do about it!"

Ansari added that every time he has sex with a white girl he thinks of those antigay folks opposed to interracial relationships "for a couple of pumps."

[Bluenorthwest]

113. When I was in college, one of the Deans went on an anti gay crusade due to the

Briggs Amendment and all. At one of his lectures, I stood up and said 'You continue with your bigoted message, I have to leave early to go home and fuck your son.' Which is what I did. His son and I were fucking. Pissed the Dean off to no end.
What would you have had me do? Sit politely and say nothing? Because if I said his son and I were fucking, that would objectify his son? Or me? Both?
Feel free to explain how offensive I wast that day, then procede to explain why you keep claiming Aziz is not American....

[JI7]

97. i didn't care for George Clooney's "I F..... a lot of women" comment either

[seabeyond]

100. yup. i actually had a post hidden when i said clooney's words in a post as crude.

BUT, we applaud him when we post it in a positive manner, or when this man says it cause the greater point is a jab at racists and homophobics.

i dont think we need to diss one group to stand up for two others.

instead of being a better person, it makes us the same.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

106. Some people love the drama of being offended. Sad, really. nt

[porphyrian]

90. I'm amazed this thread is still going.

Actually, never mind, I take that back; I'm not amazed.

[grantcart]

94. It not only passed the jury it was 100%

[porphyrian]

96. I love this place. n/t

[janx]

95. This is crap.

Into the garbage you go.

[limpyhobbler]

98. I support interracial fucking. nt.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

105. Saying you have a lot of sexual partners is now sexist?

[polly7]

108. I honestly don't see a problem with this, and I've tried hard to understand

where people who do are coming from. All he's saying is that opposition to gay marriage is just as ridiculous and dated as it was to interracial relationships ... get over it, we're evolving. Would this have been as distasteful to some here if it came from a woman? I doubt it.

[Le Taz Hot]

110. Oh, good!

More sexist, racists "jokes" on DU. Object? You're trying to be PC. You're part of the "sisters of outrage" (or whatever the fuck the above poster said to make fun -- it's the only way to beat down these goll dern feminists don't 'cha know). I haven't read the rest of the responses but there's got to be the "why do you hate women?" and "you're just mad because he didn't pick you" or "your ashamed of your body." There are thousands more I just don't care to reach back into my memory and utilize all the anti-women rhetoric that is perfectly acceptable on DU.

Let the good times roll, DU!

[ButterflyBlood]

114. Funny, and a great point

That has been made many times, the same people against gay marriage would probably be complaining about interracial marriage 50 years ago.

[ambistoes]

123. Several Things

Just watched his special on Netflix. His attitude towards women is despicable. He jokes about sending penis pictures to a woman who tells him to stop texting her. He proudly says that he texts her again with another penis picture. To me, this is the mentality of a sexual predator. He doesn't care if the woman says no to a sexual organ picture. He just thinks he's so funny by violating her rights by sending her another penis picture in another attempt at humor...or is there something more he's doing like maybe getting kicks out of violating that woman's rights to not be subject to the image of a penis?

I liked his first standup that focused on his celebrity connections and his nephew. However, recently, he is much more sexually aggressive about women, not to mention claiming he'd be a much smarter and more vocal child than all of those children who've been molested. I will never watch anything he's in from this point on. He's gone over the line.

Also, I do find his revenge sex with white women very disconcerting. Obviously, he sees that he's a victim and must revel in a "triumph" of having his way with a white woman at every opportunity. What a very empty existence. Can't say this last special will make him any more popular with any ladies of quality.

[gopiscrap]

124. welcome to DU

[In_The_Wind]

125. Hello ~ ambistoes

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I seriously doubt if his attitude will make him popular with any lady.

[mercuryblues]

126. Well

if he is indeed fucking girls, I'd say he is doing something illegal.