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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:12 PM

1. Where does he say they "need" to?

As far as I can see, he was telling what they were GOING to do, not what they SHOULD do.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:12 PM

2. He does it in a vain effort to be relevant.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:12 PM

3. uh, wtf?

he is explaining why they voted for trump. Perhaps understanding the 'why' would be a good starting point for figuring out how to successfully compete for these voters?

Nah, much more fun to just punch left.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:27 PM

8. +1

Not sure why the 15 minutes hate is happening lately. Sarandon, Stein, Moore...

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:29 PM

9. Maybe because we're living with the results of their actions? nt

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:30 PM

10. They don't have power. Democrats have the majorities

Trump was defeated. Democrats took the WH, House and Senate

Why aren't Democratic victories being celebrated?

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:33 PM

12. We probably shouldn't appreciate

We probably shouldn’t appreciate when celebrities help to amplify out message. They don’t really have any power.

Right?

Go read Sarandon’s twitter posts. Make sure to read the comments.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:35 PM

16. Biden will probably expand the Supreme Court n/t

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:50 PM

24. How? Unless they get rid of the filibuster, very unlikely

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #24)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:57 PM

25. He appointed a Commission in April

I'm sure that's part of what they're figuring out


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/09/president-biden-to-sign-executive-order-creating-the-presidential-commission-on-the-supreme-court-of-the-united-states/

President Biden will today issue an executive order forming the Presidential Commission on the Supreme Court of the United States, comprised of a bipartisan group of experts on the Court and the Court reform debate. In addition to legal and other scholars, the Commissioners includes former federal judges and practitioners who have appeared before the Court, as well as advocates for the reform of democratic institutions and of the administration of justice. The expertise represented on the Commission includes constitutional law, history and political science.

The Commission’s purpose is to provide an analysis of the principal arguments in the contemporary public debate for and against Supreme Court reform, including an appraisal of the merits and legality of particular reform proposals. The topics it will examine include the genesis of the reform debate; the Court’s role in the Constitutional system; the length of service and turnover of justices on the Court; the membership and size of the Court; and the Court’s case selection, rules, and practices.

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:33 PM

13. Cause they are the assholes who helped rump squeeze in.

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Response to we can do it (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:43 PM

34. they aren't

arguably Sarandon was. Moore supported Clinton in 2016 while warning people that her campaign was in the process of losing the voters we depend on in the rust belt states. He was right.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:23 PM

53. It was October 2016, they didn't vote yet. So his idea of "competing for these voters" is....

....calling them "Joe Blow, Steve Blow, Bob Blow, Billy Blow, Billy-Bob Blow, all the Blows"?

Yeah, that'll do it.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:13 PM

4. I wonder if he still believes this



They’re not racist and rednecks. They’re actually pretty decent people. And so I wanted to, after talking to a number of them, I wanted to write this.


Understand - they cheered children separated from their parents, laughed at the murder of George Floyd, are happy to make affluent NON-Whites pay property taxes twice, think they are entitled to the social safety net based on the color of their skin . . .

I could on and on and on.

At 48 years of age - they will be inbred asswipe racists who pose an existential threat to me, my nieces and nephews, siblings, cousins, etc. etc. for the rest of my life.

'We' are not our grandparents - we won't smile and be nice to them. Michael Moore just needs to come right out and say (ADMIT) he doesn't represent the minds and hearts and best interests of non-white Americans.

He just doesn't.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:34 PM

15. Doesn't sound like it from his interview the other night on Ari Melber.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:15 PM

5. Michael and Susan can just go screw themsleves.

I have had it with them and all who are like them. They are no different than the "people" who tried to take over our capitol.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:18 PM

6. And I say "fuck you!" to anyone stupid enough and selfish enough...

...to use something as important as an election to deliver a vague, inchoate "fuck you!" to "the system", with no concern about the real-world consequences.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:27 PM

7. This was in 2016.

I think Moore supported Hillary, but his support was rather lukewarm. He warned Democrats that year of what was going to happen, but most didn't believe it. I'm not crazy about Michael Moore, but he does have a good sense of what people in his region are thinking. By 2020, though, he was fully supportive of Biden, from all that I saw.

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Response to Haggard Celine (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:32 PM

11. K&R!!! n/t

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Response to Haggard Celine (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:10 PM

28. This exactly. He tried to warn democrats about

Hillary's campaign and it fell in deaf ears in Brooklyn.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:26 PM

32. He also warned we'd lose

In 2020. And 08. And 12...

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #32)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:50 PM

38. Yup. He said Romney was totally going to win because he raised more money and

predicted the only way Democrats could win in 2020 was to run a celebrity like Oprah or Tom Hanks. Also that Obama to Trump voters couldn't be racist because they voted for a man whose middle name was "Hussein." Also that the 2016 primary was rigged and that the Democratic establishment is the true roadblock to progress. And so much more.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:35 PM

17. This is from 2016, and that's not at all what he said.

It's clear he was predicting what he expected to happen, and the descriptions and reasoning of the morons who were going to make it happen...and unfortunately he was correct.
It seems odd to me that you had never seen this since it was posted here more than once back in 2016 when it was all fresh and new. I remember seeing it several times.

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Response to ms liberty (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:41 PM

20. Yes, that is "odd" ... isn't it.

It seems odd to me that you had never seen this since it was posted here more than once back in 2016 when it was all fresh and new. I remember seeing it several times.
You'll just have to take me at my word. I assure you that this is the first time I've seen it. (Perhaps it's new for others as well.)

It certainly is a good reminder of the kind of man he is. It also serves as an object lesson and warning to voters.

Somewhere around here there's a video of him describing his "orgasmic" thrill of voting for Jill Stein. (He's a disgusting sexist pig.)

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:07 PM

27. Your link in your op is to a massively rightwing conspiracy whacko site.

you might consider self-deleting it.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #27)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:45 PM

36. Okay. I removed the link.

Honestly, I saw no evidence that it was a RW conspiracy site... but I did read along with the transcript, and it was accurate. So I'll leave that in place.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:50 PM

39. well the problem wasn't the link, it was the content.

but I think you knew that.

The blog is hot mess of rightwing whack conspiracy shit. Your op is republishing shit from that site. You should self-delete.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:56 PM

41. It was merely a link to the transcript.

The link to the transcript that someone else typed has been removed. I suppose I could have typed the transcript myself, but it was just easier to cut and paste. The embedded youtube video remains. That Trump-loving, Nader-loving, Stein-loving Michel Moore is worse than "a bowl of shit". Deal with it.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #41)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:02 PM

54. The YouTube video you linked comes from the same source.

And appears to be selectively edited.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:57 PM

42. The content are the words of Michael Moore, "but I think you knew that". There isn't a single word..

...in that video or the text of the OP (a word for word transcript of the video) that isn't Michael Moore's.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:36 PM

18. The fact that most stuck w/trump in 20, shows that it WAS racism etc. Moore was wrong.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:41 PM

21. Moore clearly does not understand racism

To don’t vote for a racist and not “be” racist.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:46 PM

22. There is a reason we call it the Moore and Sarandon Supreme Court. nt

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:49 PM

23. Something's very off here.

My admiration of Michael Moore has waned considerably since the days of Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11. I think he does play a lot towards the anti-establishment liberal types who might cut off their noses to spite their faces.

That all being said, he did offer lukewarm support (as others have termed it) towards Clinton and Biden in the 2016 and 2020 general election.

So this as a full-throated endorsement of Trump just doesn't seem right at all.

And this website you cited belongs to some Trump supporting conspiracy nut. The accompanying video belongs to him as well.

The post went out right before the 2016 election, and I have a feeling there was a lot of crafty selective editing on one of Moore's speeches to dupe people into thinking Moore was enthusiastically endorsing Trump. The cuts between Moore and the audience members might have been used to cover this tactic.

This just reeks of full-on 2016 disinformation tactics.

Here's a piece from CBS news from the same day that the website claimed Moore gave his speech, and here it decidedly does not seem like he's giving Trump his support at all:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-moore-calls-trump-voters-legal-terrorists/



Michael Moore calls Trump voters “legal terrorists”
BY NED EHRBAR

OCTOBER 24, 2016 / 5:02 PM / CBS NEWS

Filmmaker Michael Moore isn’t letting up on Donald Trump -- and now he’s going after the GOP nominee’s supporters.

Moore’s latest film, “Michael Moore in TrumpLand,” was made in 12 days and premiered last week in New York City before being released in select theaters and on iTunes. In it, Moore travels to a GOP-friendly Ohio town to perform a one-man show making the case of Hillary Clinton.

But while speaking to the press in connection with the release of the film, Moore has given the impression that some voters are beyond convincing -- and he’s not mincing words in discussing the repercussions of voting for Trump.

“I want them to think about the damage they could do by being a legal terrorist on November 8,” Moore told Rolling Stone during an interview.

“Legally, you have a right to vote on November 8. You can go in there and even though you’re not necessarily in favor of Trump and you don’t like him that much and you know he’s a little crazy, you also know he’s going to blow up the system -- the system that took your job and house away from you,” he explained.


“You get to get back at the system now and blow it up and this is the only day you can do it legally. He’s told everybody that’s what he’s going to do. He’s the outsider who is going to ride into town and blow up the old way. So you, as a voter, get to participate in the detonation. He’s going to get a lot of votes from people who actually just want to sit back and watch the thing blow up.”




Bottom line: Moore might be a bit of an ass, but he's not that much of an ass.

Pretty sure you've been had here.

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Response to Tommy Carcetti (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:04 PM

26. no problem posting rightwing disinfo if the target is the left

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:17 PM

29. This is a clip from a movie...

Made to convince people to vote Hillary over Trump

This is out of context

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Response to lame54 (Reply #29)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:21 PM

31. Like I said, it screams 2016 style disinfo tactics.

Aimed at hard liberals who would take Moore's "endorsement" at face value.

It was somebody's idea of deflating enthusiasm for Hillary. And bullshit stuff like this worked.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:20 PM

30. It is basically the same thing that President Obama said with "Cling to their Bibles and Guns"

That also brought out an uproar as people accused President Obama of ridiculing people who feel unheard. Moore, and I have been no fan of his for some time, is explaining the appeal of Trump to a certain demographic.

Those people who wanted to send the "biggest Fuck You ever recorded in human history" fucked themselves over, along with the rest of us. The thing is, mostly because of Republican/Conservative political games over the last 40 years, and the seeming inability of the Democratic Party to counter with the really big interventions that people need, There are people who have basically given up, as in, they don't vote at all, or they became these crazy "wanna blow up the system" people who would think Trump would be on their side.

This is the problem with populism, especially right wing populism. Populism works best when people feel like they have not been provided the "general welfare" that is enshrined in the opening stanza of the Constitution. When leftists espouse populism, they talk about reordering society into what they believe would be a more balanced and fair system. I tend to think that it is naive and not likely to work effectively in large and complex societies, but it is driven by the desire to share equitably, the fruits of labor. Right wing populism is dark and ugly. It serves to rile up the masses against an "elite" but that elite is not the "elite" that actually own the means of production and who influence public policy. They go against a "cultural elite" academics, celebrities, liberal politicians, etc... who right wingers say, control society.

Right wing populism is what Trump did best. He did say that he would "punish" manufacturers, but it was all bullshit. He did not save one American job with his bullshit. In fact several factories closed up or left because of his stupid policies. The thing is, when you have someone talking shit, like they are going to have your back, it is easy to get fooled.

President Obama understood the concept and said the same thing when he was talking about rural voters who felt left behind by society. They lost jobs and their hometowns collapsed when the factories closed up. They were left with little prospect of employment and living the American Dream. They grew bitter and began to cling to the guns and their Bible. The gun represents power and self reliance, the Bible represents both a law, and an existence that is "better" than this world. President Obama was talking about why rural voters who become "one issue voters" (guns) and who are ultra religious, become that way. They feel as if they have been "taken for granted" and forgotten.

The irony is that those people are victims of conservative and neoliberal (fancy word for free market people) policies. The very same people, the very same idiot, Trump, who threatened the car manufacturers, engages in the type of Capitalism that put those people into their horrible predicament in the first place. He is lying to the and they WANT to be lied to (not really, but they'd rather take a lie than nothing really addressing their issues).

With Biden and the Democrats working to actually to the big policy program that will actually help them, Republicans are doing everything in their power to stop it. They know that like in the 1930's if Democrats do what we always want to and try to do, actually help, then they (the Republicans) will be out in the wilderness again like they were between the 1930's and 1970's.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:26 PM

33. Did you watch this movie? Obviously not.

But, hey, let's reach in to the way back machine to dig something up from 2016 for some reason that only you know and then present it as something it isn't.

And I can't believe that your link to RW puke sites is still standing.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:44 PM

35. The "puke site" had the full transcript, I assume that's the reason it was used....

Those are Michael Moore's words, so are you implying Michael Moore is a "RW puke"?

By the way, William Brighenti isn't a puke, I actually know him. He's a neighbor of some of our friends.

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Response to George II (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:52 PM

40. oh rilly?

Here's a sample from that mess:

"The Deep State intervened in US politics to undermine the elected President Donald Trump
Posted on September 4, 2021 by William Brighenti"

You might want to have a talk with your friend.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #40)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:01 PM

45. Isn't that what all True Democrats believe?



(That is really hilarious though. Not a vouch I will soon forget).

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Response to George II (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:09 PM

47. Looks like you don't know him well enough. nt

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Response to George II (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:18 PM

49. I thought linking to RW sites was one of the things that could be alerted on.

But, hey, whatever works I guess.

I am implying very little. I clearly stated that this blip does not reflect the movie as a whole.

The neighbor of your friends is putting some RW puke stuff on his blog if he isn't a RW puke.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:49 PM

37. Of course I did, Cuthbert. From start to finish...

... I wanted to make sure the transcript was accurate.

Michael Moore is "in the news" again... so I think it's important to put his "newsworthiness" into some perspective and give some historical context of what has come before.

Moore may live in his own little bubble, but the things he does and says do not exist in a vacuum. We need to look at the whole "body of his work" to fully understand what a treacherous person he is.

Surely a reasonable person wouldn't object to that, would they?

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:14 PM

48. The linked video comes from the same suspect source.

Do you have a full video from an independent source to compare this with?

Again, I'm not one whose bullshit meter goes off often, but something is severely off about this. And believe me, I haven't been thrilled with Moore in recent years either, but something about this just doesn't seem right at all.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:57 PM

43. I lulz'd

again.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:00 PM

44. 2016?

Come on man.

The enemy is The GOP.

And that enemy is NOW.

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Response to berniesandersmittens (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:07 PM

46. Well...

Michael Moore is "in the news" again... so I think it's important to put his "newsworthiness" into some perspective and give some historical context of what has come before.

Moore may live in his own little bubble, but the things he does and says do not exist in a vacuum. We need to look at the whole "body of his work" to fully understand what a treacherous person he is.

Surely a reasonable person wouldn't object to that, would they?

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #46)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:19 PM

50. So you know that the movie was a movie to get people to vote for Clinton, right?

Is it treacherous for him to want people to vote for Clinton and to make a movie to try make that happen?

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:20 PM

51. It took 5 years to angry about this?

Why isn't this on Breaking News?!!!!

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:20 PM

52. he wasn't saying they "need to" or should or that it would be a good thing. He was outlining the

dynamics that he saw contributing to what he thought would be a trump win. He spent much of the fall of 2016 sounding that warning, but he was laughed at derisively by many who thought HRC had the election in the bag.

On the clip you shared you can tell that it cuts out just as he is about to say something else. You can hear the start of the word "for" at the very end of the clip before it cuts off. Here is what he goes on to say: "For a day. Maybe a week. Possibly a month. And then. Like the Brits, who wanted to send a message, so they voted to leave Europe only to find out that, if you vote to leave Europe, you actually have to leave Europe. And now they regret it.” (The beginning of the clip, which makes clear that he is trying to write this from the perspective of the sort of dispossessed blue collar voter who had a high chance of voting for trump in the next month, rahter than offering his own thoughts on the election. That context is a bit more clear in this version: .)

His whole point was that even though many on the democratic side couldn't imagine trump winning, he had a chance because there were going to be a lot of frustrated people who voted as an anger management tool, without realizing the consequences. And that if we weren't prepared for it then we'd all have to live with the consequences too, as we unfortunately did for the last four years (and will continue, in various ways, for some time in the future).

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Response to fishwax (Reply #52)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:07 PM

55. Hearing that Moore calls voting for Trump something to be regretted, completely changes the meaning

rendering the OP completely misleading. How easy it is to manipulate statements by removing some words, especially at the end.

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Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:14 PM

56. Show of hands:

Who here thought it felt good?

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