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Fri Sep 3, 2021, 01:31 PM

Dark thoughts

I'm having trouble distinguishing Germany 1933 from America 2021. The countless similarities should come as no surprise to anyone who knows what happened in Germany in that era, and has been paying attention to our plunge into hell in recent years.

I'm almost convinced that American democracy is on its death bed. And it may be a drawn out death that will take place during and after the next two elections. The Democrats, who seemingly hold all the levers of power, appear to be incapable of preventing it. -- Not because of incompetence, but because of the viciousness of the Republican onslaught, and the fact that not enough people are fully aware of the peril.

I hope I'm wrong about this and some kind of "salvation" is at hand. But if it is, I'm damned if I can see it.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 01:36 PM

1. I think you are right...

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 01:39 PM

2. The alt-right's ideal death camps will have no fences or guards

It will be full of people going to their deaths saying “we can resist… but it wouldn’t be the nice thing to do…” or “sorry, but we don’t have a permit to leave…”

Be vicious back.

Look, identify ever actor in this “death of American democracy”, it doesn’t matter what their role is… a political party, a non-profit group, a financier of this, etc.

When you’re doing that, with every actor identified, you’ve identified someone or some group worthy of marginalization and political, non-violent, but destruction and discrediting.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 01:47 PM

3. It is a fatal flaw in liberalism, unfortunately.

Something that maybe able to be fixed but which will challenge "liberal thought".

The right uses liberalism against liberalism. Part of the ideology is "empiricism" meaning that knowledge is typically acquired by testing. The best ideas will usually end up at the "top" or accepted as what should be. The underlying assumption is that discussion, debate, and decisions will be had in "good faith" and the ideas that persuade people most will be adopted.

That is not how the right does things. They use the concepts and cry "foul" when their ideas are called out for being destructive, discriminatory, etc... (which they are). When they cry foul, liberals tend to react to the attack on their "objectivity" by ... listening and giving the right a chance to explain.

The right doesn't explain. They cheat. They cheat, then they cheat some more. They only use the concepts of "free speech", "tolerance", and "market place of ideas" as entry points to try to frame the narrative.

Ian Danskin says it better than I can.


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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 01:50 PM

4. Spot on!

I seen to many similarities.

I also hope I am wrong!

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 01:58 PM

5. the good guys are too good and the bad guys are WAY too bad

How can we help some of the brainwashed (r) masses pop the bubble they are stuck in
and see what's real?

We need a vast movement of progressive/liberal reality hackers to
steer people back to reasonable understanding of life.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 02:02 PM

6. The bad guys are plotting their rampage while the good guys argue among themselves about purity and

perfection and seek ways to avoid offending the bad guys

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 02:02 PM

7. Not enough people know of the danger because our media is happy to assist in the cancelling of

democracy and think they, the so called news people will be exempt from the authoritarians.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 02:03 PM

8. I think the only way to save America...

...is to do away with political Parties and begin anew.

Such an alien idea.

The battle is so huge it cannot be fought by division, but only by uniting.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 04:41 PM

10. I don't think we want to end the party that is a force for good.

It is the ruthless sociopath party that needs to end.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Sep 3, 2021, 04:39 PM

9. You are not wrong about this.

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