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Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:34 PM

Ann Romney: Mitt's French days like serving in Vietnam because "you’re going outside of yourself"



The candidate’s wife explained that Mormon missions were like military service in that “you’re going outside of yourself, you’re working and you’re helping others. And it changes you. And are we so grateful in this country for those people — men and women — that are volunteering, they’re sacrificing their life for us, and we cannot forget that or we have to acknowledge that always.”

“So, when you’re facing these mothers whose children have not come back, how will you explain to them that your sons haven’t gone?” Goldberg pressed. “Will you talk about the missions they’ve gone on?”

“I would say it’s probably the hardest thing that a president and a first lady probably do is to comfort those that have lost a love one and have gone in harm’s way,” Ann Romney replied, not directly answering the question. “It is an amazing country, we have the most extraordinary fighting men and women, and we have to be so grateful for them. Of course, it’s hard, and I don’t think that any of us can understand the sacrifice [sic] that are being made by families.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/18/ann-romney-mormon-missions-and-u-s-military-are-different-ways-of-serving/

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Reply Ann Romney: Mitt's French days like serving in Vietnam because "you’re going outside of yourself" (Original post)
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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:34 PM

1. ...

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:37 PM

2. ann, you ignorant ------- ---- !

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:37 PM

3. That was a gold medal performance in dodging the question, but I can't

imagine it impressed any Gold Star mothers.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:37 PM

4. Didn't you know that living in

France was just as dangerous as living in Viet Nam back then?

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Response to avebury (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:43 PM

14. One never knows when they will be attacked by a herd of escargot

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:19 PM

34. And stale baguettes can cause serious injuries when thrown with great force.

n/t.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:38 PM

5. Jeeebus. WTF.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:38 PM

6. But did he come home with a limb missing, or a coffin draped in a flag?

That's the reality...

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Response to HipChick (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:48 PM

19. Or with PTSD or health problems from being exposed to Agent Orange

This woman is even more clueless that Barbara Bush.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:43 PM

50. my cousin Ross RIP from Agent Orange. She is a

complete sow.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #50)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:45 PM

76. I'm sorry about your cousin

One of my cousins died 25 years after he came home. He lost a leg to Vietnam and came home with some serious PTSD problems that led to addiction. There's a lot of names that should be added to the Wall but won't be because they didn't die immediately following their wounds and I think both our cousins are two of those names.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #76)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:32 AM

85. I am sorry for yours too and I agree 100 percent. :(

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Response to HipChick (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:26 PM

43. And what are the numbers of ill and homeless Mormons who came back from missions? Zero nt

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Response to MadDash (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:41 PM

10. Welcome to DU, MadDash!

Glad you're here - and that graphic is pretty damn funny! We need you - and our President needs you, too. This thing isn't locked in yet.








Now get to work.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:39 PM

8. She likes to say, "It's hard," doesn't she?

I wonder what that means?

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:43 PM

13. We'll have to do one of those little hardness scales, just like they do for precious gems, eh?

Boy, I bet someone could have fun with THAT one!

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:50 PM

24. Well, they used to measure how hard.....

my bowling ball was.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:23 AM

59. Like a duh-oh-meter?

Republican's erect penis: 1

Kitten fur: 2

The foam Jeffrey Derdarian soundproofed The Station with before Great White played there: 3

The bread Mitt enjoyed in France while secretly wishing he could go to Vietnam: 4

The tires on the car Mitt impersonated state troopers in: 5

An Army blanket: 7

Getting a bill through the "all filibusters, all the time" Senate: 8

Manhattan Rubber bowling ball: 9

Mitt Romney's heart: 25

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #59)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:51 AM

94. Dammit

I was SO looking forward to #'s 10 through 24.


You disappoint me.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #94)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:08 PM

95. Okay...you asked for it

10: the platform on a car elevator

11: ease of buying Big Dig ceiling tile glue that works and is cheap enough for Mitt

12: the slap Ann gives you if you put dirty kitchen towels in her magic underwear washer

13: how hard it's going to be for Mitt to repeal Obamacare after he loses the election

14: arithmetic. At least the kind that sez you can start with a $1.1 trillion deficit, cut taxes, quadruple defense spending and balance the budget all at the same time

15: The Hope Diamond

16: your twelfth cat food meal this week, assuming you're not a cat

17: the act of putting your feet on the floor when you're a doctor with a roster of uninsured patients that present with conditions you could have treated last year before they got into the bloodstream

18: being a sheriff who has to foreclose on his twelfth house this month

19: being an Idaho schoolteacher, the poorest paid in the nation, whose pay is to be cut to fund performance bonuses dreamed up by a childless man who made scales before being elected superintendent of public instruction

Some of these aren't in the right order.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:40 PM

9. I've got a lot of Vietnam vet friends who might feel otherwise. nt.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:41 PM

11. tell that to the vietnam vets, annie. in fact, tell it to their faces.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:42 PM

12. It's a Mission. You know, like Special Ops.

for Mormon Jesus. You have to sacrifice caffeine forever.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:44 PM

15. Yeah, Willard's sojourn in Paris was like Vietnam



EQUALS





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Response to jsr (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:53 PM

29. Yeah, they were exactly the same...

So how come, when we were humping the boonies in Vietnam, we would rather have been in France?


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Fortunate Son
Recorded by Creedence Clearwater Revival
Written by John Fogerty

Some folks are born made to wave the flag
Ooh, they're red, white and blue
And when the band plays "Hail to the chief"
Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no

Yeah!
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh
But when the taxman comes to the door
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no millionaire's son, no
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no

Some folks inherit star spangled eyes
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord
And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer More! More! More! yoh

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no military son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, one

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no no no
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son, no no no





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Response to jsr (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:19 PM

35. K and fucking R!

 

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Response to jsr (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:27 PM

44. You should make a graphic of this with Ann's quote, and send it out into the internet nt

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #44)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:12 PM

96. I have a better one

Show a squad of grunts on patrol in RVN, and the squad leader saying something like "suck it up you slackers - Ann Romney says Mormon missionaries in Paris really have it tough!"

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Response to jsr (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:36 PM

48. You obviously can't see the high speed lead

 

Flying around those bycicles!

Or were those high speed baguettes...

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Response to jsr (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:28 AM

62. Mitt probably lost a battle with a croissant

 

and still has the scars to prove it.

That family is fucked up beyond repair. seriously, they are all whacked.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:45 PM

16. The continuing smugness of her ladyship seriously disgusts me.

Nice dodge, your ladyship. But I'm not sure it was completely effective. That was a VERY memorable question, and probably one on the minds of most of the viewers of "The View." And perhaps people are starting to notice when you guys dodge the tough questions. Like - has your imperial husband ever answered that question about equal pay for equal work? No. Instead we got a long-winded and deceitful diversion about "binders full of women." He never answered that question - any more than YOU just did, your ladyship.

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Response to calimary (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:18 PM

78. Huh. I did NOT know that Ann Romney actually decided to go on The View.

I thought that when Mitt canceled his appearance it was for both him and Ann. In the meantime, every time I hear the stupidity coming out of Marie Anntoinette Romney's mouth (Mitt had to live off STOCK DIVIDENDS! YOU PEOPLE don't need to know our taxes!) and so forth I feel fortunate that someone as philanthropic, caring, and even hip as Michelle Obama is the First Lady. Go look up video of Michelle Obama visiting local DC elementary schools and dancing to Beyonce songs!

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:47 PM

17. What an insulting and despicable thing to suggest. nt

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:48 PM

18. OMFG

Mormon missions are like military service? She's as out of touch as he is. (Can't say I'm really surprised - how else did they stay married so long.) So out of touch with reality, with the lives of everyone else who isn't rich. She "doesn't think any of us can understand the sacrifice that are being made by families." I think I have at least some empathy for families who have lost loved ones to war, but YOU, NO WAY BITCH. You can't hide behind those who have a clue.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:48 PM

20. What a despicable family.

And Mitt's boys didn't volunteer for Iraq or Afghanistan because working on Mitt's campaigns is pretty much the same thing. Very patriotic, you know.

I hate them.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:50 PM

21. Isn't it a missionaries job to go to third world countries...and...

Teach them about God? You know...places where they have never heard the so-called "word"? France has museums full of religious paintings that are older than the U.S. I hardly think they need American college kids to teach them anything!

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:50 PM

22. "you're helping others"

Riding bicycles through France, knocking on doors, and getting them slammed in your face virtually every time is helping others?

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #22)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:24 PM

42. the Mormons on mission are ONLY helping themselves!!!!

That's like saying the asshole who keeps bothering you about selling Amway, is improving your life.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:50 PM

23. French pastry can be very dangerous for your health.

Not to mention those fickled French maidens.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:51 PM

25. Going OUTSIDE yourself?

Sure Mrs. Romney.

So an exhilarating trip to a European country is the same as losing one's mind in a warzone?

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:52 PM

26. Could we get a photo of Mitt Romney's scoffing stare at Pres Obama re terrorism/Rose Garden..

Where he tries to school Pres Obama...about the 'proceed governor' phrase..

Love to see those Mr and Mrs Looks together..

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:52 PM

27. When Romney was in Paris

 

and hanging out on the beaches of France, my dad was getting shot at in a fucking rice patty in Vietnam.

These people dont understand a DAMN thing about regular peoples lives.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:53 PM

28. Can't ever expect you to understand this but talking to those vets who served just

might give even the likes of you and your feather brain a clue.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:07 PM

31. How insulting

How insulting and utterly disrespectful to the troops that served in that hell hole. But it doesn't surprise me to hear this come out of her pie hole. After the shameful treatment Max Cleland got at the hands of the damned repigs it's pretty obvious they will shit on and trample anything or anybody that gets in the way of their fucked up agenda.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:16 PM

32. Disgusting and vile.

But not surprising. Ugh.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:18 PM

33. She may want to see what Vietnam Vets think about that bullshit.

 

Ignorant fuck. Fucking A just go get a fucking manicure and shut the fuck up.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:20 PM

36. going outside of yourself?

Like guts and intestines?

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:20 PM

37. Insulting!



She is more out of touch than I realized.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:20 PM

38. Oh, really, Queen Ann? Well, thank you for

enlightening me and the rest of my family. We'll be sure to tell my uncle who served two tours in Vietnam that the next time we visit him in the Alzheimer's Wing of his nursing home, where he's been for awhile now. In only his mid-sixties. Possibly Agent Orange related. But nothing, absolutely nothing, compared to the horrors rMoney endured lounging around in Paris. I mean, my uncle was getting his ass shot at every day in neck-high grass and watching friends get blown up or shot up right next to him, but I'm sure he'd much rather have been doing that than enduring suffering walking around the streets and sites of Paris all day. And he and his working-class buddies took Willard's trust fund baby Willard's place precisely because they didn't want to suffer what he had to endure.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:22 PM

39. So what was it like for him to lie face down in a rice paddy in the face of Baguette Cong gunfire??

 

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:23 PM

40. Daft witch. I'm sure the military wives LOVED that comment... and the vets.

Seriously. How the FUCK can riding your bicycle around Paris be ANYTHING like getting shot or blown up in a foreign country?

Does that clueless witch KNOW how many of the boys that were sent to Vietman in the draft, cried every night missing their families?? They were BABIES!!! And that witch has the NERVE to try and compare it to doing a mormon fucking mission???? ANd her sons are just as bad. They did NOT serve their fucking Country!!! they rode around an knocked on people's doors. Period.

Anyone in the military who votes for a guy that not ONLY protested In FAVOR of the draft, but shortly thereafter got a deferment to go overseas, has been brainwashed.

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #40)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:29 PM

45. But indeed it does appear as though military folks prefer Mitt

It makes no sense but there you have it.

Ann's insulting words need to be spread far and wide, along with the knowledge that NONE of the Rmoneys have ever served - going back generations.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #45)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 12:02 AM

52. Splain this

Below is a table of contributions from military and civilian employees of the military for the 2012 election cycle:



Money talks– military cash goes to Obama

By Jennifer Rizzo
October 17th, 2012

President Barack Obama's campaign has received almost double the amount of military donations that Mitt Romney's campaign has, according to data collected by a research group that tracks money and lobbying in U.S. politics.

It's a clue, perhaps, into who the military is rooting for in this presidential election. Obama has received more than $530,000 in campaign contributions from individual military donors, while Romney has taken in more than $280,000 in donations from individuals involved with the military.

Obama's lead in military donations comes despite hundreds of billions in cuts to the Defense Department and the Republican ticket blaming him for a potential half-trillion dollars more in cuts if Congress can't agree on a deficit deal.

The Center for Responsive Politics compiled the information using data reported to the Federal Election Commission and includes donations greater than $200 from both military and civilian employees of the nation's defense sector.

<more>

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/17/money-talks-military-cash-goes-to-obama-2/

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #52)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:12 AM

64. Hopefully money talks, bullshit walks but the polls show the military overwhelmingly support Rmoney




From October 8, 2012 Poll: 66 Percent Of Military Members Support Romney

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/10/08/poll-66-percent-of-military-members-support-romney/


Anyway, an AM kick for Friday....

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #52)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:18 AM

86. Of all the veterans I know personally,

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every last one of them are Romney supporters. And I have not known one yet, who has expressed remorse for the horrors committed against the peoples of Indochina (I know they exist, I just haven't met one yet).

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Response to ronnie624 (Reply #86)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:52 AM

91. <--- This disabled veteran doesn't support Romney

Like you loosely touched on above, I don't know how any combat veteran could vote for a republican. I haven't been able to find a poll about this, but I would love to see the party affiliation of "combat" vets and those who actually got shot at in the line of duty versus "non-combat" vets or guys who served in the Airforce or Navy or your non combat jobs in the Army.

Only about 15% of todays Army is made up of actual Infantry. Not counting the non-infantry guys who do deal with combat (i.e your tankers, artillerymen, combat engineers, MPs,...) most of the Army and military serves in a combat support role and is never placed in direct combat. It's not even close to being the same thing if you are stationed on a super-FOB and to have mortars impact on the base a few thousand meters from you. Yup, you might have to put down your burger king whopper that you just bought from the PX while you put on your kevlar helmet

When you actually go out on patrol and deal first hand with the results of your weapons fire you gain a completely different outlook on war. It's one thing to fly around in an airplane and drop bombs on a target that is 30,000+ feet below, but it is a completely different thing to actually see the person that you are shooting in your sights, squeeze the trigger, and watch them drop. After the firefight is over you also get to enjoy the wonderful experience of recovering the dead and wounded.

I wonder how many bodies and their parts Romney had to stuff into body bags when he was in France. How many dead or dying people did he come across? The most upsetting incident to me when I was in Iraq was finding a child that had errantly been shot during one of our firefights. I have no idea if he survived, but he was still alive when I found him. I did what I could and I did what I thought was the best at the time, but I have a lot of regrets for what I did. We were able to get him on a helicopter easily within 15 minutes of me finding him. I could and should have done more for the boy's family than I did.

Did mit really experience the same feelings of glory and overwhelming sense of patriotism when he watched adults and children die as a result of his actions? I wonder if mit wakes up having nightmares of his service in France all keyed up and ready to go on patrol and murder anyone who is crazy enough to attack him. I wonder if mit, when he goes out into public, gets the same weird tingle in his right hand when he realizes that he isn't holding the pistol grip of his rifle that I get. I wonder if he walks around walmart with his right hand tucked into his side and twitching his thumb as if he was moving the selector switch from "safe" to "semi" on his rifle.

I wonder how often mit find himself trapped in the memories of his service in France or how often he experiences a PTSD panic attack. Like me and Iraq, I bet he constantly thinks that the hardest part of his life was coming home from France. I bet he secretly wishes that he could leave his wife and kids and go back to France to die. Yup, probably like me, he misses the feelings of combat. He misses wearing his body armor, 4 grenades, 210 rounds of 5.56 ball ammunition, and carrying a rifle. He misses the feeling of danger, the sounds and excitement of combat, and the feeling of murder that I miss.

Then I bet he snaps out of it, finds himself a stammering, shaking, and crying mess and realizes that he has to come to terms with being a shadow of what he once was. I went from being in charge of 40+ Soldiers in combat, being in excellent shape, and being able to do and deal with anything to being a scrawny emotional wreck that I am today. I can hardly do things like go out into public places without turning into a basket case or pay my bills on time (not because I don't have the money, I just can't deal with writing checks or calling people on the phone to pay them). I have problems communicating and relating to my wife and kids and, if it wasn't for my boss and coworkers pitty, I could hardly keep a job.

Yup, I pretty sure that mit experienced the same things that I did (and Vietnam Vets did) when he "served" his country in France. We certainly should be grateful for "men" like mit

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #40)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:25 AM

60. This Viet Nam widow didn't appreciate it.

I'd like to see the same number of rounds that were fired at my late husband fired at her, and Mittens, and the five chickenhawk sons. I'd like to see them dodging the same number of bullets and mortars and mines, and fighting hand to hand with machetes for a year.

What angers me the most is, that family has done nothing but HATE America. They have only tried to destroy it. Fuck them. They don't deserve any of the wealth they have stolen from the people of this country. And yes I mean stolen.

13 generations of my family have fought for this country back to 1607. That bunch of Romneys are just cheap chickenhawk grifters in my view, and their money means nothing to me. They have built nothing. They have earned nothing. They have sacrificed nothing. And they are nothing. They don't have the moral or ethical character of pond scum. I look very far down on queen ann, she gets nothing but contempt from me. What a self-important nasty pissant!

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:24 PM

41. I can agree with her

 

If the mission is in some of the 3rd world countries torn by civil war.
Some of those missions can be very dangerous in remote villages

Not france during the 60's and 70's for petes sake.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:30 PM

46. High speed lead is something Mitt faced

 

While on patrol...dangerous duty indeed...

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:32 PM

47. He's still experiencing PTSD from that rude waiter.

The horror. The horror.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:38 PM

49. So if being a missionary is the same as being in a war zone...

the next time a couple of Mormons knock on my door, instead of politely telling them I'm not interested I'll grab an AK-47 and start shooting.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:46 PM

51. Fuck you, Ann. Compared to you, Mitch is almost likable. Almost

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 12:04 AM

53. Unfuggenbelievable.




Proof that the privileged class live in a separate parallel universe.


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Response to cliffordu (Reply #54)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:17 AM

58. Thank you, sir, for your service and sacrifice, and for the support you give to others...

And also for this fucking bloody beautiful rant!

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Response to VOX (Reply #58)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 12:22 PM

73. You are welcome.

But really, I'm just another dogface now trudging the road of happy destiny.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 12:30 AM

55. Fuck ann romney....

my brother went through hell in Vietnam and is still suffering the consequences of that war. Fuck her.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 12:43 AM

56. Because riding a bike while proselytizing is sooooo dangerous.

That's why they travel in pairs.
She's completely lost in the Twilight Zone.

Going on a mission is serving your church . . . going in the military is serving your country!

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 12:57 AM

57. I kept looking for the link to "The Onion"

but it was nowhere to be found.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:25 AM

61. Oh no she didn't.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 07:08 AM

63. Us and them.

"Of course, it’s hard, and I don’t think that any of us (? US, in the upper, fiscally privileged class? Who is this "us"?) can understand the sacrifice that are being made by families."

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:31 AM

65. Tell it to the disabled vets

and those who lost their lives in Khe San, Hue, Danang, Mekong Delta...

Fuck you, bitch. Many didn't come home. Some are still patients in the VA hospital psych wards. I know. I am related to one such individual. The war never ended for him. To equate your escargo loving rich frat boy on a ten speed annoying French people by knocking on their doors to scrounge money for your cult to draftees who hunkered down in the jungles where bullets rained down on them, where they tripped landmines, where they were ambushed by kids with bombs, where they killed men, women and children in ways that haunted them for the rest of their lives -- to fucking equate their service with Mitt's "choices" makes me want to rip that woman's hair off her ugly head and shove it down her throat.

Goddamn her.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:34 AM

66. Never worked a day in her life.

 

It's still true, and hearing this human poodle casually equate a religious vacation with military service is just disgusting.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:38 AM

67. French Mimes Can Be Dangerous

And you cannot hit them because they're in an invisible box.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:39 AM

68. What was the risk Mitt would find his bodily organs "outside of himself"?

The Vietnam vets I know found it to be a very real thing where they were, and worked and prayed real hard to make sure they never were "outside of themselves" in that way.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:54 AM

69. That is a statement of such colossal ignorance

 

and shallowness that the mind shrivels.

Peddling bullshit on the streets of France is in no way comparable to having your ass shot at in combat.

WTF is this woman's major malfunction, anyway?

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:59 AM

70. My dad almost never talks about Vietnam

But somehow it came up last summer and he told me I couldn't imagine how bad it was. That is a big emotional confession from my dad, who is mostly stoic.

And, when I went to France, he never warned me that it might be the same as Vietnam. The only thing he warned me about was the possibility of unisex bathrooms, but as I understand it that isn't as hard a thing to deal with as being in Vietnam was.

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Response to clyrc (Reply #70)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:23 AM

92. I'm guessing that you have to be about my age

I served in Iraq in 2004-2005 and I currently have a 2 and 4 year old daughters. I'm scared shitless about them finding out who and what I was when I was in Iraq. I don't ever want my kids to find out that I was in the Army - let alone in a war - and realize that I actually shot and killed people.

For your father to tell you anything about the war had to be extremely tough for him. If you don't mind me asking, did he give you any details or stories or did he just say it was hell and remain kind of vague? How did that make you feel about him? Did it, in any way, change your opinion about him?

I really don't know how I'm going to deal with the topic of war with my own kids.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:01 AM

71. You don't get shot at though Ann...

Sorry you do not see the difference.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:02 AM

72. F**k you and the horse you danced in on.

I didn't know my dad until I was five years old. Why? Because he was a fighter pilot in the USAF, and we were losing a lot of pilots, so he got to fly sortie, after sortie, after sortie - over 250 in all. When he came back in '73, I asked my mom if "that man was going to stay with us." Several of my friends' fathers never came back, my brother-in-law's father never came back.

Feel free to pull up a red hot poker and have a seat.

mikey_the_rat

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:52 PM

74. This breathtaking ignorance needs an afternoon kick in the fanny. Take that Ann!! nt

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:54 PM

75. You can get jostled pretty good by the crowds at the Louvre

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:05 PM

77. "I don’t think that any of us can understand the sacrifice"---Here she is being VERY honest, as she

reveals HER OWN INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND.

Totally unwittingly, of course. Because she ARROGANTLY, without knowing ANYONE there (especially in the audience), ascribes lack of understanding to EVERYBODY LISTENING TO HER. EVERYBODY.

She doesn't CARE if Mrs. Smith in the audience is a Gold Star mother; if Joe Smith in the audience is a returned veteran who saw buddies die; if anyone at home watching is a vet or a vet's survivor.

ANN ROMNEY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND, AND ANN ROMNEY DOESN'T CARE.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #77)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:20 PM

79. can't understand or EMPATHIZE

What a phony Polly Anna vacuum soul.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:38 PM

80. Keep talking, Anne.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:43 PM

81. And I thought that an excuse like this is a joke.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:05 PM

82. why doesn't this have 5 million recs?

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:04 AM

83. I need some clarification...

Leaving aside the whole separation of church and state thing - if going around knocking on doors is the same as being in a war, does that mean I can take potshots at door-to-door solicitors? Or just the religious ones?

And, does she really think we're all that stupid?

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:14 AM

84. Entitled woman.

Has anyone in that family done a hard day's work in their entire life and given real sacrifice?
If she said there is no way to compare the sacrifice of someone in the military to someone on a "mission" I would have respected her a little more.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:31 AM

87. EXCUSE ME??? How exactly does shoving your religion on people count as 'volunteer' work??

Who does it help?

It's even less useful than fake-washing dishes.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:47 AM

88. Fucking unbelievable that she would have gall to compare those things, FUCK her!!!

God she makes me want to puke!

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:47 AM

89. Funny--I didn't see anybody running off to Vietnam to avoid missionary service in France

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:57 AM

90. And being a Mormon Bishop is just like being a US Army General!

Mitt's not the only one who needs help.

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Response to Amerigo Vespucci (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:42 AM

93. Mitt Romney demonstrates in favor of Vietnam War draft for the 47%






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