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Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:22 AM

 

Man Photographed as Baby on 'Nevermind' Cover Sues Nirvana, Alleging Child Pornography

Spencer Elden, the man whose unusual baby portrait was used for one of the most recognizable album covers of all time, Nirvana’s “Nevermind,” filed a lawsuit Tuesday alleging that the nude image constituted child pornography.

Now my question is if you have this album in Itunes will the Iphone Child Porn photo cloud tracker alert authorities to your possession of child porn?

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Reply Man Photographed as Baby on 'Nevermind' Cover Sues Nirvana, Alleging Child Pornography (Original post)
cinematicdiversions Aug 2021 OP
USALiberal Aug 2021 #1
Bettie Aug 2021 #3
FSogol Aug 2021 #6
Whiskeytide Aug 2021 #25
USALiberal Aug 2021 #11
cinematicdiversions Aug 2021 #8
Bettie Aug 2021 #13
Rorey Aug 2021 #2
Glorfindel Aug 2021 #7
Rorey Aug 2021 #9
Glorfindel Aug 2021 #4
Rorey Aug 2021 #21
LiberatedUSA Aug 2021 #5
Rorey Aug 2021 #10
Rorey Aug 2021 #12
FreepFryer Aug 2021 #14
obamanut2012 Aug 2021 #16
FreepFryer Aug 2021 #17
Drunken Irishman Aug 2021 #22
FreepFryer Aug 2021 #23
Celerity Aug 2021 #28
moose65 Aug 2021 #15
Progressive Jones Aug 2021 #18
Tarc Aug 2021 #19
Rorey Aug 2021 #20
roamer65 Aug 2021 #27
Happy Hoosier Aug 2021 #24
Fullduplexxx Aug 2021 #26
Chainfire Aug 2021 #29

Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:23 AM

1. Source?? Link??

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:32 AM

3. Here you go

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/man-photographed-baby-nevermind-cover-sues-nirvana-alleging-child-pornography-n1277578

Personally, I think it is a ridiculous lawsuit, but he's looking for a payday and will probably get it.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:34 AM

6. He's claiming he couldn't consent because he was 1. However, his parents did consent. Case over.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 10:14 AM

25. Per the article, it's not really clear ...

… that the parents consented. In a 2008 interview the father said the photographer (a friend) called him and said you can make $200 if you let me photograph your kid in the pool. They had a pool party and the photo was taken, and the parents never really knew what it was for until later.

Might be BS, and certainly you could say dad was stupid for not realizing the photo would have had some commercial purpose, but the failure to get the parents to sign a consent form backs up the murky circumstances.

Funny. I remember thinking at the time why would parents let their kid be in that photo. It’s bound to be weird when they grow up.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:58 AM

11. Thank you!!!

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:38 AM

8. Sorry was on phone couldn't figure out link thing. NT

 

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:01 AM

13. I know the feeling

and am happy to help when I can!

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:28 AM

2. Well

I don't know enough about the intent of whoever decided to use that as a cover photo, but I guess I sort of shudder at the thought of what kind of door this kind of suit will open as far as baby photos go.

What I mean is, lots of parents take photos of their babies in the bath, or otherwise unclothed, and I've never before thought of the photos as being child pornography.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:35 AM

7. Just imagine the impact on Renaissance paintings of Madonna and Child

Museums would have to provide tiny aprons for their depictions of the Holy Infant. The mind reels...

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Response to Glorfindel (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:42 AM

9. I was thinking of that too

I mean, the artists can't be sued because they're long gone, but could the museums be held accountable for being in possession of "child porn"?

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:32 AM

4. Mr. Elden was interviewed on NPR about this photo in 2008

Here's a link and a partial transcript. At that time, he thought it was "cool."

https://www.npr.org/2008/07/23/92833535/once-naked-for-nirvana-now-a-teen-spirit

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Response to Glorfindel (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:19 AM

21. Yup, it was "cool" all those years

This type of thing clogging up our courts is ridiculous.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:33 AM

5. Under our laws...

 

…the nudity has to be sexual in nature, otherwise almost all parents would be guilty of child porn.

The unfortunate side effect, is it allows “nudism” websites to exist, even though no real nudist would be interested in their content, let alone pay for it.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 08:48 AM

10. Correction

I got confused with all of the articles. This one is from 2008:

https://www.npr.org/2008/07/23/92833535/once-naked-for-nirvana-now-a-teen-spirit

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:01 AM

12. In 2016 Elden recreated the image

It seems he was fine with it five years ago, and now he's not? It sounds like he's on a money grab.

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/baby-nirvana-album-cover-recreates-iconic-image-25-years-later/

AND in that 2016 article, it says the photographer "talked Elden out of doing the shoot naked like the original."

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:03 AM

14. OK, Z-Genner. (Nt)

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:11 AM

16. He is a Millennial

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:11 AM

17. Born in the 90s? I would call him Z gen.

Generation Z (or Gen Z for short), colloquially also known as zoomers,[1][2] is the demographic cohort succeeding Millennials and preceding Generation Alpha. Researchers and popular media use the mid-to-late 1990s as starting birth years and the early 2010s as ending birth years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z


I’d also add, w this suit he is acting immaturely for his age

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:24 AM

22. He's more aligned with a Millennial, I'd say (as one).

 

He was born in the early 90s, just months before the album was released. Even the wiki article suggeste a Gen Zer is someone born no earlier than the mid-90s. Even that is pushing it, imo, as I feel someone born in 1991 is probably a lot closer to someone born in 1985 than, say, someone born in 2010 (beyond just age, of course).

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:26 AM

23. As a gen X'er I pride myself on my ability to acknowledge your superior argument

And remain bemused by all this entitled shit while I live my latch key life



Thanks Obamanut and Drunken

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 11:35 AM

28. Here are the widely accepted (including in most academia) gen boundaries

Boomers 1946-1964
Gen X 1965-1980
Millennials 1981-1996
Gen Z 1997-2012 (end date is starting to coalesce)
Gen Alpha 2013-?

There are a few micro gens that many acknowledge

Generation Jones (late Boomers, say born 1958-1964)

Blank or Skip years (Born in 1965 and 1966, this is widely used in Sweden and other Euro countries)

Xennials or Carter Babies or Generation Catalano (born 1977 to 1980)

Zennials/Zillennials (born 1992-1998)

I do a lot of work with demography and the main gen boundaries (other than the end date for Gen Z) are pretty much etched in stone by now.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:11 AM

15. Weird

After reading the articles, it seems to me that he might have a better case if he sued them for using his image without his permission, rather than child porn. If his parents were paid only $200 and they never signed anything for the use of the image, it seems like he might have a case.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:12 AM

18. Another scrounge trying to get money for nothing. nt

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:13 AM

19. Lol, yet he had no issues recreating the pic on the anniversaries?

10th (inset) and 15th



25th




Fuck that grifter.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #19)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:16 AM

20. Oh, gosh....he looks SO distressed in those recreation pics

Poor traumatized guy

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Response to Tarc (Reply #19)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 11:20 AM

27. Doesn't help your case when you have the album title tattooed on ur chest.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 09:26 AM

24. LOL WUT!?

Not every picture of a penis is porn. I predict this suit is summarily dismissed.

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 11:05 AM

26. Shameless money grab

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Response to cinematicdiversions (Original post)

Wed Aug 25, 2021, 03:00 PM

29. He is suing the wrong bunch, he needs to be suing his parents.

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