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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:42 PM

BornADemocrat (8,164 posts)

Florida cases highest since pandemic began, deaths unexplainably dipped to lowest since beginning

Last edited Wed Aug 18, 2021, 08:40 PM - Edit history (1)

What's the deal here? I don't see any other states with this pattern - what gives? I assume DeSantis is behind this, but I doubt monoclonal antibodies are helping this much?





Link to data: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

Didn't realize that criticizing DeSantis would upset people here.

Edit: I updated graphs to make it more clear and changed title.

15% of all new cases in USA

0.8% of all new deaths in USA

Odd.

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Reply Florida cases highest since pandemic began, deaths unexplainably dipped to lowest since beginning (Original post)
 BornADemocrat Aug 2021 OP
LineReply From the start he has manipulated the death numbers and have not jived with infection #'s.
 LizBeth Aug 2021 #1
LineLineReply Maybe he's listing them as suicides or
 Bettie Aug 2021 #2
LineReply Because sure they are.
 Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #3
LineReply They're not reporting deaths . Every day on Worldometers they're the only state with new
 JoanofArgh Aug 2021 #4
LineReply Deaths lag reported cases by 1-2 weeks.
 Ocelot II Aug 2021 #5
LineReply What is the source for this graph?
 LisaL Aug 2021 #6
LineLineReply Worldometer
 BornADemocrat Aug 2021 #8
LineLineLineReply The deaths in Fl are going up.
 LisaL Aug 2021 #10
LineLineLineLineReply I think you're right
 Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #16
LineLineLineLineLineReply My guess there is delay in reporting.
 LisaL Aug 2021 #20
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply Almost 16,000 hospitalizations
 Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #23
LineReply This message was self-deleted by its author
 Chin music Aug 2021 #7
LineReply Deaths lag cases by several weeks.
 Phoenix61 Aug 2021 #9
LineLineReply New cases and active cases track
 BornADemocrat Aug 2021 #12
LineReply Give it time.
 BannonsLiver Aug 2021 #11
LineReply Using the google graphs, it seems deaths are not reported every day,
 ExciteBike66 Aug 2021 #13
LineLineReply They went from 129 Aug 5th, tapering to 7 yesterday all while cases continued to spike
 BornADemocrat Aug 2021 #19
LineReply I even heard, not confirmed,
 gab13by13 Aug 2021 #14
LineLineReply This message was self-deleted by its author
 Chin music Aug 2021 #18
LineReply Other states are following the same general pattern.
 former9thward Aug 2021 #15
LineLineReply Those states are far behind FL in cases in this recent surge
 BornADemocrat Aug 2021 #17
LineLineLineReply They don't have the population FL has.
 former9thward Aug 2021 #24
LineLineLineLineNew Reply That's not really even a close comparison
 BornADemocrat Aug 2021 #27
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply You seem to imply there is a CT behind this.
 former9thward Aug 2021 #29
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Thus the use of question marks
 BornADemocrat Aug 2021 #30
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I think the explanation is this is not a one size fits all disease.
 former9thward Aug 2021 #32
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply But the sudden drop from 100+ deaths on average 1/10th of that is odd
 BornADemocrat Aug 2021 #33
LineReply Deathsentence is Bagdad Bob. He's numbers are worthless.
 kairos12 Aug 2021 #21
LineLineReply Seems so
 BornADemocrat Aug 2021 #22
LineReply Isn't this evidence the vaccines are working?
 Tomconroy Aug 2021 #25
LineLineReply Deaths fell by 18x 129-7 in the past 13 days
 BornADemocrat Aug 2021 #26
LineNew Reply You want a real head scratcher? Look at Nebraska.
 Maru Kitteh Aug 2021 #28
LineLineNew Reply I just checked - they did to a "makeup call" of 17 deaths yesterday
 BornADemocrat Aug 2021 #31
LineNew Reply sh*it in, sh*t out -- a lot of the data is just very raw and inconsistent
 cadoman Aug 2021 #34
LineNew Reply To quote George W Bush, "Fuzzy math."
 marmar Aug 2021 #35
LineNew Reply Update: Florida COVID update: 901 added deaths, largest single-day increase in pandemic history
 BornADemocrat Aug 2021 #36

Response to BornADemocrat (Original post)

Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:43 PM

LizBeth (9,899 posts)

1. From the start he has manipulated the death numbers and have not jived with infection #'s.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:44 PM

Star Member Bettie (15,319 posts)

2. Maybe he's listing them as suicides or

something....you never know with these people.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:45 PM

Star Member Scrivener7 (49,382 posts)

3. Because sure they are.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:45 PM

Star Member JoanofArgh (14,971 posts)

4. They're not reporting deaths . Every day on Worldometers they're the only state with new

cases in the 20,000's and 4 deaths one day, 7 the next . Every other state with mid to high numbers has deaths in the double, triple digits.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:46 PM

Star Member Ocelot II (111,903 posts)

5. Deaths lag reported cases by 1-2 weeks.

Wait a week or two, see whether those numbers increase.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:48 PM

LisaL (44,922 posts)

6. What is the source for this graph?

It doesn't match what I see on NYT covid calculator.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:50 PM

BornADemocrat (8,164 posts)

8. Worldometer

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

All the other states are following the expected pattern - except one. Surprise! It's FL.

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Response to BornADemocrat (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:53 PM

LisaL (44,922 posts)

10. The deaths in Fl are going up.

Worldometer might have trouble locating FL data.

"The pandemic has reached another crisis stage. The number of new infections in Florida continues its record-breaking spike, with an average last week of more than 21,600 per day, the third consecutive weekly record. Deaths also spiked recently, and Florida had 15,441 COVID-19 patients in the hospital Friday, the highest level of hospitalizations since the start of the pandemic."

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2021/08/18/the-worsening-covid-picture-in-florida-editorial/

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Response to LisaL (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:58 PM

Star Member Johnny2X2X (17,566 posts)

16. I think you're right

Been following too, and Florida has been spiking for a good month, their deaths are certainly spiking now too.

I think the data is getting missed. But I wouldn't put it past DeSantis to just outright cover up the data.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:03 PM

LisaL (44,922 posts)

20. My guess there is delay in reporting.

They have record numbers of infections and hospitalizations. Somehow I doubt deaths are going to plummet.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:06 PM

Star Member Johnny2X2X (17,566 posts)

23. Almost 16,000 hospitalizations

It's safe to say a high percentage of those 16,000 people are going to die. Whether that's 25% or 50% I don't know.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:52 PM

Star Member Phoenix61 (16,700 posts)

9. Deaths lag cases by several weeks.

If your diagnosed Aug 1, hospitalized 5th, die 10 days later, Aug 15th. Then a couple of weeks to process the death certificate. Even just 1 week and it’s Aug 21st before the case counted as a death.
That July 5th dip in cases is what drove the Aug 4th dip in deaths.

Using active cases as a measurement is an odd choice. How would you know when they are resolved? Most of the graphs I’ve seen use new cases.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:55 PM

BornADemocrat (8,164 posts)

12. New cases and active cases track

They were heading up following the recent spike over the past several weeks, then suddenly the cases started dipping for no reason whatsoever. Please go look for yourself before doubting what's different than every other state that I've looked at.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:54 PM

BannonsLiver (15,296 posts)

11. Give it time.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:55 PM

ExciteBike66 (2,045 posts)

13. Using the google graphs, it seems deaths are not reported every day,

so one days is listed as "0" while the next is listed as "239", making the average between those two numbers. Perhaps there were several days in a row of "0" being reported?

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:03 PM

BornADemocrat (8,164 posts)

19. They went from 129 Aug 5th, tapering to 7 yesterday all while cases continued to spike

It's not following what we'd expect.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:56 PM

Star Member gab13by13 (18,222 posts)

14. I even heard, not confirmed,

of people asking the coroner not to say cause of death was Covid.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:58 PM

Star Member former9thward (30,042 posts)

15. Other states are following the same general pattern.

I picked a couple states on Worldometer, Arizona and New Jersey, to see their patterns and they generally follow the FL pattern.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/arizona/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-jersey/

https://srv1.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/arizona/

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:00 PM

BornADemocrat (8,164 posts)

17. Those states are far behind FL in cases in this recent surge

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:07 PM

Star Member former9thward (30,042 posts)

24. They don't have the population FL has.

But they do have rising covid cases and the deaths are falling.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:45 PM

BornADemocrat (8,164 posts)

27. That's not really even a close comparison

NJ is rising and AZ is flat.

FL dropped from 129 cases Aug 5th to 7 yesterday. Now THAT is a drop.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:50 PM

Star Member former9thward (30,042 posts)

29. You seem to imply there is a CT behind this.

What is it? If the numbers are being falsified (forget for a minute that Democrats control many of the counties where the health departments giving the numbers) then why aren't the total cases being falsified also?

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:55 PM

BornADemocrat (8,164 posts)

30. Thus the use of question marks

It seems odd to me, that's all.

I read an article that described how data was not being reported, or was delayed due to interference, I figured others might have some additional information on this. It's really odd. The only explanation I could come up with is the report that they're using monoclonal antibodies on people early in the process as Rachel had pushed many, many times on her show. Could that be the explanation?

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 02:51 PM

Star Member former9thward (30,042 posts)

32. I think the explanation is this is not a one size fits all disease.

It affects different ages and different health groups differently. Every state has different demographics and cultures. So you are going to see different things happening.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 08:32 PM

BornADemocrat (8,164 posts)

33. But the sudden drop from 100+ deaths on average 1/10th of that is odd

It's a statistical anomaly I'm raising.

FL cases have been running at least 15% of all cases in the USA on average for weeks.

FL deaths were skyrocketing - as expected following the spike in cases. Now they're 0.8% of all deaths in the USA.

15% of new cases.

0.8% on new deaths.

Daily cases - highest since pandemic began:



Daily deaths - tracked new cases, then suddenly fell to lowest since pandemic began:



Not odd to you?

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:04 PM

Star Member kairos12 (12,516 posts)

21. Deathsentence is Bagdad Bob. He's numbers are worthless.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:04 PM

BornADemocrat (8,164 posts)

22. Seems so

I wonder why people appear to be defending his malfeasance?

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:19 PM

Star Member Tomconroy (7,118 posts)

25. Isn't this evidence the vaccines are working?

Most deaths last winter were among the elderly. With 90 percent of the elderly vaccinated you would expect far fewer deaths.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:41 PM

BornADemocrat (8,164 posts)

26. Deaths fell by 18x 129-7 in the past 13 days

Seems like data manipulation to me.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 01:47 PM

Star Member Maru Kitteh (27,414 posts)

28. You want a real head scratcher? Look at Nebraska.

I don't know what they're doing with their data over there but looking at their vaccination rates, I call bullshit.



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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 02:00 PM

BornADemocrat (8,164 posts)

31. I just checked - they did to a "makeup call" of 17 deaths yesterday

It seems many states are holding or not reporting data in a timely manner.

Perhaps FL will to a "death dump" at some point in the future?

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 08:47 PM

cadoman (792 posts)

34. sh*it in, sh*t out -- a lot of the data is just very raw and inconsistent

50 states counting 50 different ways, divided into however many counties and hospitals and doctors and coroners also counting things different ways. Oh and throw into that they're reporting at different intervals, mis-counting and mis-entering some data.

All that happens _before_ the chicanery, and I'm sure you can guess there is plenty of that in DeSantis-land because heaven forbid he just admit that vaccinations and masks are the way out of this.

I only use these numbers to get a general ballpark of where things are. It's not indicative for instance, of NY/NJ having a bad Covid policy because of their higher deaths / million.

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Wed Aug 18, 2021, 08:48 PM

Star Member marmar (76,364 posts)

35. To quote George W Bush, "Fuzzy math."

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Thu Aug 26, 2021, 06:35 PM

BornADemocrat (8,164 posts)

36. Update: Florida COVID update: 901 added deaths, largest single-day increase in pandemic history

UPDATED AUGUST 26, 2021 05:54 PM

Florida on Thursday reported 21,765 more COVID-19 cases and 901 deaths to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.

All but two of the newly reported deaths occurred after July 25, with about 78% of those people dying in the past two weeks, according to Herald calculations of data published by the CDC. The majority of deaths happened during Florida’s latest surge in COVID-19 cases, fueled by the delta variant.

It is the largest single-day increase to the death total in the state’s COVID pandemic history.

The jump in the number of reported cases and deaths is due to the newest way deaths and cases are counted. The CDC implemented the change earlier this month, causing occasional one-day aberrations like the 901 additional deaths on Thursday and 726 more deaths reported Monday.

...

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253766203.html


They've been backfilling the cases in bulk it seems.

Still odd that other states don't seem to be having the same issue.

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