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UTUSN

(70,680 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:54 AM Oct 2012

Wife & son keep making mental health problems allegations against Mittens

A few weeks ago, Queen Ann said that her biggest concern about Mittens as president was his mental stability.

Today on The View, she was asked why she is called "the Mitt stabilizer," and she tossed the question to son Josh, who said, "If you leave him alone too long he gets crazy."

She added that he gets "wired up."


Also, I know that in the first debate where Mittens said he knew about lying because he has five sons, most replies here dismissed this as sort of cute about how boys lie about staying out late and where they are and whether they're doing something like drinking, smoking, or sexing, cute.

Today Queen Ann said that "everybody knows" that nobody is as selfish as late-teenagers, that Mormons going for their missionary years come back as grown men instead of selfish jerks (paraphrasing, but close). Later she described a granddaughter as being "a very selfish seventeen year old."

This was in the context of Whoopi asking about Mormons not serving in the military. Queen Ann said this is not true, not an article of their (cult, my word), that their missionary years are a substitute. I ask, why do Mormons reply that everything anybody hears about them is not true?!1

O.K., I know about stages and pre-maturity characteristics, but it seems that this family are pretty stark in their descriptions of the dark side of family life.

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Wife & son keep making mental health problems allegations against Mittens (Original Post) UTUSN Oct 2012 OP
This is the person we want to have their finger on the nuclear trigger? Raster Oct 2012 #1
One of the hallmarks Z_I_Peevey Oct 2012 #73
Sad that a grandmother would characterize her granddaughter as a very selfish seventeen year old FLyellowdog Oct 2012 #2
I guess the Morman females femrap Oct 2012 #11
I think it would be terribly difficult to be a young Mormon female in today's world. Just my opinion FLyellowdog Oct 2012 #18
Not if the femrap Oct 2012 #57
"Do women get any type of LEADERSHIP positions in this cult?" oppressedproletarian Oct 2012 #43
Black men do hold the preisthood. Saramom Oct 2012 #45
Blacks were not allowed to have a Celestial Marriage or be members of the Mormon Church until 1979. FSogol Oct 2012 #48
Deleting original post. No point in starting an argument about religions and cults. chimpymustgo Oct 2012 #105
Welcome to DU Saramom. Auntie Bush Oct 2012 #61
If you had read my post oppressedproletarian Oct 2012 #68
I remember when femrap Oct 2012 #55
OMG this reminds me of these creepy neighbors I had years ago rbrnmw Oct 2012 #85
Holy shit Trailrider1951 Oct 2012 #97
I know right? She was afraid of that man too rbrnmw Oct 2012 #103
Good one! Saramom Oct 2012 #44
I know several ex-Mormons. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #53
You're talking to femrap Oct 2012 #54
Well said femrap. oppressedproletarian Oct 2012 #66
Welcome femrap Oct 2012 #91
Thank you for the welcome. oppressedproletarian Oct 2012 #106
The Episcopal Church allows women a more active role in leadership ( ministers etc). lumpy Oct 2012 #72
I don't like any of femrap Oct 2012 #92
I wish I could rec your post! n/t Ghost in the Machine Oct 2012 #101
Thank you... femrap Oct 2012 #102
OK, since you are here to educate us, I have some questions: beac Oct 2012 #59
Can I ask you why you need a man to get into the Celestial Kingdom? rbrnmw Oct 2012 #87
I think you meant to address this to Saramom, but it appears she beac Oct 2012 #88
LOL yes I was asking her sorry rbrnmw Oct 2012 #95
No apology needed! beac Oct 2012 #98
No One puts Baby in a Binder rbrnmw Oct 2012 #96
Female Mormons can go on missions Zooms Oct 2012 #51
That's what stands out foremost to me. Some family. closeupready Oct 2012 #28
Says the grandmother with 5 caddies. Javaman Oct 2012 #56
There are mormons in the military. I served with one. sammytko Oct 2012 #3
Yes--my husband served with several. He was friends with them. TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #6
I served with a mormon in Navy SERE school madokie Oct 2012 #7
CLARIFICATION OF O.P.: She *did* say that many Mormons perform military service UTUSN Oct 2012 #35
SO madokie Oct 2012 #70
Huh?!1 Because lots of posters thought I said that Mormons *never* militariliary serve and UTUSN Oct 2012 #100
In 1974 I apparently served with one of Mitt's cousins at a little base in northern Virginia... HereSince1628 Oct 2012 #111
the Romneys are from FRANCE! napkinz Oct 2012 #117
History is why. AnnaLee Oct 2012 #4
Maybe they are ALL sociopaths? fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #5
I think a lot of it has to do with being Wealthy and Self-Entitled formercia Oct 2012 #8
Their polygamy femrap Oct 2012 #15
This is a shockingly cold bunch. They seem to cling together rather than loving one another. nolabear Oct 2012 #9
Oh, come on... The View's not that bad... Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #84
This is scary... CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #10
Don't you mean "Romney's mental instability"? FLyellowdog Oct 2012 #20
So that's why femrap Oct 2012 #25
Know your facts Saramom Oct 2012 #39
I'm still waiting on your answer Caretha Oct 2012 #90
Where the eff is AP Hutzpa Oct 2012 #12
Missionary years? brush Oct 2012 #13
They could enlist after they complete their missions KamaAina Oct 2012 #21
That's femrap Oct 2012 #26
Her comment was truly insulting . . . fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #24
For once, I agree with Queen Ann. backscatter712 Oct 2012 #14
Now he's triggered my imagination by visualizing examples of "he gets crazy" aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #16
it's probably fairly miserable. barbtries Oct 2012 #17
It's fortunate femrap Oct 2012 #29
i'd rather not barbtries Oct 2012 #34
Could this be why Willard chickened out? KamaAina Oct 2012 #19
She is subconsciously undermining Mitt's image. reformist2 Oct 2012 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Oct 2012 #30
He may turn into a different person, since this was obviously his life's goal. reformist2 Oct 2012 #33
20 years ago, I bunked next to a mormon in basic training. atufal Oct 2012 #23
40 years ago, I served with a Mormon Brother Buzz Oct 2012 #36
Do We Have An Eagleton On Our Hands..... global1 Oct 2012 #27
At least femrap Oct 2012 #31
I don't think Romney's mental health issues involve depression aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #32
Mormons not in Military...,.False Saramom Oct 2012 #37
Yep, plenty of Mormons serving in our military. hunter Oct 2012 #38
You signed up for this website gaspee Oct 2012 #40
I was a Cali who moved to Idaho. Its a bit amusing aletier_v Oct 2012 #42
"even Obama is better?" Really? Sorry Nader isn't running this year. sigh. nt progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #47
cheer up. Obama is better than Palin, Cain or Perry too! aletier_v Oct 2012 #58
Hello. I talked to a staunch Romney supporter today, but bluestate10 Oct 2012 #83
Correct. Mormons do serve. aquart Oct 2012 #41
During Vietnam, each ward was given two exemptions elehhhhna Oct 2012 #52
The LAST thing I'd want would be my family talking in public about my mental health. davsand Oct 2012 #46
Didn't George Romney ruin his political career admitting he was "brainwashed?" FSogol Oct 2012 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author crazylikafox Oct 2012 #60
Yes, except he meant it in an anti-Establishment way. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #77
Imagine if Michelle Obama had raised these issues about her husband on The View napkinz Oct 2012 #109
Imagine if President or Mrs. Obama publicly criticized their children. yardwork Oct 2012 #115
Imagine if the MSM would do its job and report the TRUTH napkinz Oct 2012 #116
big corps own the media yardwork Oct 2012 #119
But some seem to be given more latitude napkinz Oct 2012 #121
Mormons are peculiar. I think they like it that way. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #50
I want to see this addressed in the next debate. Too bad it didn't come up last time. crazylikafox Oct 2012 #62
+100,000 LeftInTX Oct 2012 #65
I heard that loud and clear too! flyguyjake Oct 2012 #63
I've said this in several threads napkinz Oct 2012 #108
1. I despise romney & his ilk. 2. I am not a mormon... desertduck Oct 2012 #64
Mormonism is Scientology for the 1800's. beac Oct 2012 #69
They raise business success as the highest good. They assert that lying to non-Mormons is peachy. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #78
and trash the environment, as part of dominion over the earth amborin Oct 2012 #80
agreed, the mormons I know are some of the nicest and good people quinnox Oct 2012 #81
i lived with them for five years aletier_v Oct 2012 #86
The people at Jonestown were "nice and good" too. beac Oct 2012 #89
talk about dangerous and insane, The Branch Davidians (David Koresh) and Westboro Baptist Church quinnox Oct 2012 #93
Couldn't agree more, which is why I am an atheist. beac Oct 2012 #99
Mormon first, American second. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #67
exactly. aletier_v Oct 2012 #71
The son Damien (heh) said he and his brothers would always lie to their father. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #74
Romney gets "wired up"??? Is that in a repair shop or do they send him back to the factory? aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #75
I run for cover, just like you aletier_v Oct 2012 #76
God, I miss Christopher Hitchens. For all his faults, he'd be able to write a scathing article on smirkymonkey Oct 2012 #79
Don't need Hitchens, we have Romney aletier_v Oct 2012 #82
Thread at exmormon.org is.... AzSweet Oct 2012 #94
It's called Domestic Violence rbrnmw Oct 2012 #104
kick napkinz Oct 2012 #107
This story is being ignored by the MSM napkinz Oct 2012 #110
I raised teenage sons and I would never describe them as liars or as selfish. yardwork Oct 2012 #112
They way they talk makes me very suspicious napkinz Oct 2012 #113
Ann, the stabilizer napkinz Oct 2012 #114
MUST SEE from Oilwellian napkinz Oct 2012 #118
I see you've been busy Oilwellian Oct 2012 #122
I just love it! napkinz Oct 2012 #123
from Kossack napkinz Oct 2012 #120
Is Mitt Romney Mentally Ill? napkinz Oct 2012 #124
the right should look to their scripture for a clue about Romney napkinz Oct 2012 #125

Raster

(20,998 posts)
1. This is the person we want to have their finger on the nuclear trigger?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:57 AM
Oct 2012
Today on The View, she was asked why she is called "the Mitt stabilizer," and she tossed the question to son Josh, who said, "If you leave him alone too long he gets crazy."

She added that he gets "wired up."

Z_I_Peevey

(2,783 posts)
73. One of the hallmarks
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:58 PM
Oct 2012

of the sociopathic personality is a marked aversion to being alone. These personalities must have others surrounding them offering up the needed narcissistic supply (adoration, praise, reassurance).

Just sayin.

FLyellowdog

(4,276 posts)
2. Sad that a grandmother would characterize her granddaughter as a very selfish seventeen year old
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:57 AM
Oct 2012

on national tv. I'm not impressed.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
11. I guess the Morman females
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:22 PM
Oct 2012

are taught to self-hate at an early age....or maybe it's just the rich ones?

What do the daughters do 'as their mission' in the Mormon cult? Learn to cook? I could some really nasty things, but I will refrain. Do women get any type of LEADERSHIP positions in this cult?

And aren't the women and men segregated similar to Islam...I could be wrong. I know only one Mormon woman and she told me about the silly underwear. I really thought she was kidding. But who could make up such crap?

FLyellowdog

(4,276 posts)
18. I think it would be terribly difficult to be a young Mormon female in today's world. Just my opinion
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:27 PM
Oct 2012
 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
57. Not if the
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:45 PM
Oct 2012

brainwashing is sufficient and they stay in their own little bubble. But outside of that bubble, I don't know. I would think they would be easily conned and damaged by what our culture has become.

Organized religions don't seem to let individuals become their 'true selves.' In fact, I think it's discouraged. Must obey and be a certain 'way.'

I'll stick w/ John Lennon and his song, "Imagine"....."Imagine there is no religion, too." I love that song.

43. "Do women get any type of LEADERSHIP positions in this cult?"
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:33 PM
Oct 2012

I don't think so. Only men can be Mormon "priests". All the men by definition hold the priesthood. It was a big deal when it was "revealed" that black men could now hold the "priesthood".

My disgust knows no bounds.

FSogol

(45,473 posts)
48. Blacks were not allowed to have a Celestial Marriage or be members of the Mormon Church until 1979.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:40 PM
Oct 2012

Sorry, but the term "cult" fits.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
55. I remember when
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:41 PM
Oct 2012

there was the controversy of accepting Black men as priests. I bet there aren't many of them. I wonder if the Black Priests are married? And how the wife feels about it?

Organized religions cause way too many problems/wars than what they're worth.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
85. OMG this reminds me of these creepy neighbors I had years ago
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:37 PM
Oct 2012

The wife was always nice but weird she called her husband her priesthood head several times when she came calling I asked what she meant by that and she explained she wouldn't get into the celestial kingdom without him

Trailrider1951

(3,414 posts)
97. Holy shit
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:32 PM
Oct 2012

Do people actually believe this?

Quote: she explained she wouldn't get into the celestial kingdom without him

What the hell?????

What about that CONTROL???

Dear god........

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
103. I know right? She was afraid of that man too
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:45 AM
Oct 2012

As I think Ann is afraid of Mitt they keep their women folk down

Saramom

(4 posts)
44. Good one!
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:33 PM
Oct 2012

I am a mormon and I can't cook worth anything. LOL Just saying.....
Daughters can go on missions as well at the age of 19. Yes this RELIGION the women can be teachers and they serve in higher positions within the church. As far as segregating the Sunday meetings line up are like this. Everyone meets together in the chapel and there we take the sacrament (bread and water) and hear talks be fellow members of the faith. I have spoken in this meeting many times. This is a service base religion everyone who holds a position does not get paid for their service. The second meeting is where the kids go off to a sunday school based upon age which will teach them scripture stories to their understanding concerning their age group. There is an adult sunday school class which I find this happens in many faiths as I have attending many different religions. Then the last hour the men go to priesthood while the women go to a class called relief society. This may be where you get the idea of segregation idea from. The relief society is a great organization which offers many relief efforts for people around the world. The best education one can get to any religion is to investigate it. Attend their services. I believe this strongly and that why I have visited and attended many faiths and I hold great respect for many. I use to actually work for a Presbyterian church for many years in their office. If you want to learn more about this RELIGION (not cult) then attend one of their services. See for yourself rather then assume. The greatest education is knowing and not assumption.

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
53. I know several ex-Mormons.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:28 PM
Oct 2012

Some current Mormons, too, through my son's high school. The ex-Mormons don't agree with your definition of cult. Their opinion, not mine. When I wanted to learn more one evening, just out of curiosity, they sent me here: http://www.exmormon.org/

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
54. You're talking to
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:35 PM
Oct 2012

the wrong person about ORGANIZED RELIGIONS. They all put women as secondary. And by that I feel that I'm not important, actually I feel hated.

I have felt this way since my grandmother used to drag me at the age of 5 to her Methodist church. The hypocrisy was overwhelming. Plus the dudes got all the good jobs and the women did all the shit work.

And these ORGANIZED RELIGIONS do nothing but start WARS. I want no part of their hypocrisy and their constant demand for MONEY!!!

Most of these supposed Christians wouldn't recognize Jesus if he washed their feet. They'd be screaming, "EEK, get this dirty hippie out of here. Call the police."

Historians say Jesus never really existed which is kinda sad because he was a cool dude. Now if Xtians acted more like him, things might be OK. But they don't. I have Fundies in my family....up close and personal. They are hateful people. I come in contact with them as little as possible.

How did you decide on Mormonism (and IMHO, it is a cult...a very weird one) over more mainstream religions? You don't have to explain if you don't want to.

I guess my spiritual ties are more in line with the Native Americans who treasured Mother Earth and Father Sky.

Father, son, and the Holy Ghost.....where is MOM??? I got so sick of hearing about men...and that they'd offer their daughters up for sex. Well, what a bunch of bunk.

My Truth is: The extremely wealthy and powerful of this world made up ORGANIZED RELIGIONS as a way to manipulate and control people. Lots of people, for some reason, need to have someone/something to tell them how to live or what to do. There is little in self-reflection nor any questioning of the priests/leaders/whoever. I don't need a middleman to talk to 'The Universe.' I can go outside and look at beautiful Mother Nature and I am overwhelmed with what I see and feel. I don't need some dude yakking at me telling me what to think, see, say, etc.

And that whole eating of blood and bones....just creeped me out.

I mean if you step back and look at the world of ORGANIZED RELIGIONS, I don't see how you can't see the manipulation, power and control. It's insane. I'm not gonna go fight some Muslim because the person is Muslim. Do you know how much money the Elite make off of WAR? They sell weapons to both sides. It puts the young to work as cannon fodder. With high unemployment worldwide, I wouldn't be surprised to see WW3 coming around the corner. It's all been set up as another Crusade of Xtains vs. Muslims. And the Rich and Powerful are just drooling over the money they can make. They love to see the stupid citizens get all aroused w/ patriotism and fundamentalism. They're laughing all the way to the bank.

I don't believe God talked to Joe Smith. Sorry.

And King James....who cares what this dude's version of the Bible says? It is all to keep the rich and powerful rich and powerful...I see it so very easily. It's crap. It keeps women oppressed. And I've felt that since I was a kid. And I never believed that a God would ever want that....EVER. Geez, it keeps everyone oppressed.

And you can tell me you're not oppressed. But that just says you can't see the forest for the trees. We live in a patriarchy and the biggest supporter of that is ORGANIZED RELIGIONS.

I want no part of them. I can help poor people, animals, nature without any intermediary from some organized religion.

If you take offense to this, you shouldn't bring up the subject. I will not be preached at by someone on a supposed PROGRESSIVE BOARD.

You're new and I would appreciate it you left me alone regarding religion. As a Mormon, I assume you are voting for Mi$$ RobMe. Or you're being paid to be a troll sitting at the Heritage Institute making $12/hour.

I really don't think you're welcome here.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
91. Welcome
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:57 PM
Oct 2012

to DU! It seems so obvious to me, and it breaks my heart to see women get snared into these religious oppressive relations.

I really think the Native Indians had a good thing going....they wasted nothing. They were not into material goods. Columbus thought they were so stupid....no, they were kind, truthful and did not know of deceit.

Too bad the Earth wasn't flat! LOL!

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
92. I don't like any of
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:00 PM
Oct 2012

the organized religions. They read the same Bible. And women are looked down upon. It rings so false to me.

I believe the Powerful have invented these religions so to manipulate and control. I don't want any part of it.

But Jesus, if he really did walk this Earth, or even if he didn't....he was one cool dude that people should aspire to imitate.

beac

(9,992 posts)
59. OK, since you are here to educate us, I have some questions:
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:55 PM
Oct 2012

1) Can you explain about the planet Kolob?

2) Can you explain how Joseph Smith's "translation" of an Egyptian papyrus he claimed was the "Book Of Abraham" has been proven by modern scholars to be a complete fraud?

3) Can you explain how Mitt Romney, who claims not to be a "cafeteria Mormon", sleeps in the nude, as he stated on "Live!"? Aren't all good Mormons to wear the garment at ALL times except when bathing??


I await your answers.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
87. Can I ask you why you need a man to get into the Celestial Kingdom?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:44 PM
Oct 2012

and why you would call your husband a priesthood head?

beac

(9,992 posts)
88. I think you meant to address this to Saramom, but it appears she
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:48 PM
Oct 2012

has retreated back into her binder.

Zooms

(2 posts)
51. Female Mormons can go on missions
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:03 PM
Oct 2012

Two Mormon girls showed up on my front porch about fifteen years ago, serving their missions. Having roomed with a Mormon girl in college, I was surprised. BTW, that Mormon roomie introduced me to all my vices.

Javaman

(62,517 posts)
56. Says the grandmother with 5 caddies.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:44 PM
Oct 2012

I maintain, behind the scene anne romney is truly a horrible person.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
7. I served with a mormon in Navy SERE school
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:06 PM
Oct 2012

I don't know if he went to Vietnam as I left SERE school before he did. I went to Vietnam as most of us who spent a tour of duty there did.

UTUSN

(70,680 posts)
35. CLARIFICATION OF O.P.: She *did* say that many Mormons perform military service
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:59 PM
Oct 2012

And my wording implies that their non-military missionary years that it is a substitute for military service (like Conscientious Objection), but her point was that the missionary years have a maturing influence about the same as what military service does.

Repeating, she DID say that many Mormons perform military service.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
70. SO
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:25 PM
Oct 2012

I was just saying that I spent time with a mormon so why the clarification you felt so compelled to give?

UTUSN

(70,680 posts)
100. Huh?!1 Because lots of posters thought I said that Mormons *never* militariliary serve and
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:56 PM
Oct 2012

your post was one of the earliest to point out that many Mormons militarily serve. It wasn't anything personal *against* you, especially since I've had years of being your fellow DUer.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
111. In 1974 I apparently served with one of Mitt's cousins at a little base in northern Virginia...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:16 AM
Oct 2012

His last name was Romney, he was LDS, he said his uncle was the former gov of Michigan.

No, I did not see his long form birth certificate, or the long form line of authority for his LDS priesthood.

AnnaLee

(1,035 posts)
4. History is why.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:59 AM
Oct 2012
I ask, why do Mormons reply that everything anybody hears about them is not true?!


When your top guy talks to God all the time, he can make anything inconvenient just go poof. Yesterday's reality isn't up for discussion cause God made it different today. Understand?

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
5. Maybe they are ALL sociopaths?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:59 AM
Oct 2012

Is it hereditary? Other forms of mental illness can be passed on, but I don't know about sociopaths.

My daughter was a teenager a few years back, and I've NEVER described her as a 'liar' or 'selfish' . . . what is wrong with these people?

formercia

(18,479 posts)
8. I think a lot of it has to do with being Wealthy and Self-Entitled
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:13 PM
Oct 2012

They have no concept of how the 99% live and struggle to make ends meet. Then you add in the Assh0le Sociopath gene. A bad mix. I know several working-class asshole sociopaths. Prisons are full of them, but they don't have the obscene wealth to cause great mischief.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
15. Their polygamy
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:25 PM
Oct 2012

communities have terrible incest problems and horrible genetic diseases which are blamed on the woman, of course. I read an article about this a few years ago. There is a rare genetic disorder where the child is pretty incapable of doing anything...just stays as a baby and requires feeding, diapers, bathing, etc. I think they can live to be around 12.

Mi$$ is certainly a sociopath.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
9. This is a shockingly cold bunch. They seem to cling together rather than loving one another.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:16 PM
Oct 2012

The whole lot of them are astonishingly creepy.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
10. This is scary...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:16 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:41 PM - Edit history (1)

...it's scary enough that Romney belongs to a really bizarre religion that is like a cult. So yeah, I guess we should also guess that a man who would not only join a cult-like religion--but become one of its leaders--probably has some untreated personality disorder.

I find it really frustrating that Romney's religion can't even be addressed. Oh no! That's off limits! Seriously? These are people who believe in magic underwear and that Jesus will return someday to "The New Jerusalem" which, according to Mormons, will be in Missouri. But we aren't allowed to speak of it?

I think this speaks to Mitt Romney's mental instability!

We aren't even allowed to speak about Mormonism, but half of Obama's 08 campaign was about Rev Wright. We aren't allowed to speak about how Mitt Romney's grandfather was kicked out of the United States and had to go to Mexico--because of his multiple marriages. Yet, the lunatic right questioned Obama's past to the point where they demanded that he produce his birth certificate!

Double standard here!

Romney is described as lacking empathy and empty by so many who meet him. How else could someone make a fortune by decimating companies, firing people, destroying lives and causing untold suffering--if they weren't lacking in empathy? Most likely he's a sociopath!



 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
25. So that's why
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:32 PM
Oct 2012

George Romney was in Mexico....I wondered about that????

Well, I don't see anything wrong with starting a big fat WHISPER CAMPAIGN about this cult, do you? I've already been telling RobMe voters that Polygamy is right around the corner....just like Islam. You should see the look in their eyes....hadn't thought of that.

There are still communities of polygamy.

How can Fundies vote for a Mormon??? I just don't get it.

Saramom

(4 posts)
39. Know your facts
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:18 PM
Oct 2012

There are sects of people who have pulled away from the orginal mormon faith otherswise known as the mainstream mormons. These sects some still practice polygamy but as for the "mainstream mormon faith" they do not .

brush

(53,764 posts)
13. Missionary years?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:24 PM
Oct 2012

Ann Romney said Mormon's missionary years are a substitute for military service. Why how convenient. They all get to duck military service yet still want to get our country into wars.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
21. They could enlist after they complete their missions
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:30 PM
Oct 2012

and many do. Just not the past four generations of Rmoneys.

Others go back to college; the NCAA even has a special exception to its age limits just for them, which leads to BYU teams filled with 26-year-old seniors.

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
26. That's
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:35 PM
Oct 2012

sickening. The boyz always get these special little rights with anything concerning BALLS.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
24. Her comment was truly insulting . . .
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:31 PM
Oct 2012

dodging bullets and trying to survive in horrible conditions is comparable to living in comfort while tooling around on a bike in France, while Daddy foots the bill?

Somebody PLEASE put her back in her BINDER ! ! !

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
16. Now he's triggered my imagination by visualizing examples of "he gets crazy"
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:26 PM
Oct 2012

And I think he's invited the rest of America to let their imaginations run wild as well.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
19. Could this be why Willard chickened out?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:28 PM
Oct 2012

To avoid being humiliated on national teevee by his own wife?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
22. She is subconsciously undermining Mitt's image.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:30 PM
Oct 2012

Deep down, I don't think she wants to do this. I think she only agreed to let Mitt run again because he kept pestering her for her permission. And she eventually just caved in. Because that's what a good Mormon wife does.

Response to reformist2 (Reply #22)

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
33. He may turn into a different person, since this was obviously his life's goal.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:54 PM
Oct 2012

He's been planning to be president since at least the 1990s, if not earlier.

Brother Buzz

(36,416 posts)
36. 40 years ago, I served with a Mormon
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:01 PM
Oct 2012

He performed his missionary work, then got drafted. I'm just saying.

global1

(25,241 posts)
27. Do We Have An Eagleton On Our Hands.....
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:35 PM
Oct 2012

Remember Senator Thomas Eagleton:

McGovern said he would back Eagleton "1000 percent". Subsequently, McGovern consulted confidentially with preeminent psychiatrists, including Eagleton's own doctors, who advised him that a recurrence of Eagleton's depression was possible and could endanger the country should Eagleton become president.[8][9][10][11][12] On August 1, Eagleton withdrew at McGovern's request and, after a new search by McGovern, was replaced by Kennedy in-law Sargent Shriver.[13]

Here's a link to his wikipedia site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Eagleton

 

femrap

(13,418 posts)
31. At least
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:40 PM
Oct 2012

Eagleton went to see a shrink and get help.

RobMe?? Very doubtful. But that certainly would be cool to find out that, in fact, he does see one.

I feel he is a sociopath. It's weird that that Ann and her son said he hates to be alone...now that's really weird. I guess he always wants to be out there making people suffer!

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
32. I don't think Romney's mental health issues involve depression
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:44 PM
Oct 2012

According to his son he gets "wired" when he's alone. Romney is full of himself, narcissistic, and aggressive when he doesn't get his way. He's the opposite of "withdrawn".

Saramom

(4 posts)
37. Mormons not in Military...,.False
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:11 PM
Oct 2012

This is completely false and I find this to be very offensive because my husband has served faithfully in the military for years as well and going on a two year mission for the mormon faith. I know many men and women who have served in the military and who happen to be a mormon. I also know military who have died for our countries freedom that too are mormon. This is a sad day when our military no matter of what race or religion is being disgraced because of ones ignorance.

gaspee

(3,231 posts)
40. You signed up for this website
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:19 PM
Oct 2012

just to defend your husband. How sweet.

I think you need to practice your reading comprehension.

And you really believe that convicted conman and philanderer Joseph Smith found some magical golden tablets that only he had the magic glasses to read? With his history of being a convicted conman? That's just nutso.

I think you should stick around and read a bit more on this website.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
42. I was a Cali who moved to Idaho. Its a bit amusing
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:31 PM
Oct 2012

to see DU just now figuring out who Romney really is.

Mormons are not "mainstream folks" who just happen to attend a different church. They have a significantly different belief system and moral code and I have ZERO desire to them in the White House. Even Obama is better and you don't know how much that pains me to admit.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
83. Hello. I talked to a staunch Romney supporter today, but
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:20 PM
Oct 2012

when told some of the things being said about the President, that Romney supporter went ballistic on his fellow Romney supporters that are saying gross stuff. I have no intention of voting for Romney, President Obama has been my choice all along. But in the event that Romney wins, Romney will be my President and I will wait for the next chance to defeat him.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
52. During Vietnam, each ward was given two exemptions
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:05 PM
Oct 2012

lucky for mitt that he was most deserving of them

davsand

(13,421 posts)
46. The LAST thing I'd want would be my family talking in public about my mental health.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:35 PM
Oct 2012

Think about that for a second--his FAMILY is talking openly about his mental health. The people who are supposed to love you and know you the best of all are out there in public making comments about your mental stability???? Ho-lee Crap!!

If I was running for any office--including dog catcher--I'd be mighty bummed to have my nearest and dearest out there talking about their concern for my mental state.



Laura

FSogol

(45,473 posts)
49. Didn't George Romney ruin his political career admitting he was "brainwashed?"
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:48 PM
Oct 2012

The Romneys still haven't learned anything.

Response to FSogol (Reply #49)

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
109. Imagine if Michelle Obama had raised these issues about her husband on The View
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:48 AM
Oct 2012

It would be a HUGE news story.

It's unbelievable the MSM aren't covering it.

Not even Rachel, Ed or Tweety.




yardwork

(61,588 posts)
115. Imagine if President or Mrs. Obama publicly criticized their children.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:40 PM
Oct 2012

Imagine Michelle Obama calling one of her daughters "selfish" in an interview. Imagine President Obama saying that he's familiar with liars because he has daughters. People would be appalled, and rightly so.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
116. Imagine if the MSM would do its job and report the TRUTH
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:01 PM
Oct 2012

By ignoring all these stories, they are keeping the public UNINFORMED.

And we wonder why it's so close in the polls ... so many UNINFORMED voters.




napkinz

(17,199 posts)
121. But some seem to be given more latitude
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 05:30 PM
Oct 2012

Rachel especially. I'm surprised she's not covering this issue -- Mitt's Mental Instability.











crazylikafox

(2,754 posts)
62. I want to see this addressed in the next debate. Too bad it didn't come up last time.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:33 PM
Oct 2012

"Mr. Romney, your family has said publicly that they fear for your mental health if you become president. Can you reassure us that you are mentally stable enough to be president and handle that 3AM phone call????"

 

flyguyjake

(492 posts)
63. I heard that loud and clear too!
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:34 PM
Oct 2012

The family as a whole is continually stating that Mitt has mental issues and needs to be "reigned in"! I don't think Mitt is mentally capable of running our country. He will snap and then we'll be fuck when Ryan ascends to POTUS!

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
108. I've said this in several threads
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:17 PM
Oct 2012

If the CANDIDATE'S WIFE is saying she's concerned about her husband's mental stability ... then shouldn't we be too!









desertduck

(213 posts)
64. 1. I despise romney & his ilk. 2. I am not a mormon...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:57 PM
Oct 2012

Having said that as my disclaimer, i have to say, i don't understand the animosity displayed here towards LDS. They live clean lives and promote family values (i understand where that can get sticky as i have seen how some of those "values" don't represent my own. I.e. The homophobia). But they do good (for the most part). They certainly aren't the only group to do missions. And they aren't the only religion to not have female representation at the top. I've been around some of them and they are just like everyone else. I guess i am just not understanding the intolerance shown towards them. Scientology, on the other hand, is an entirely different beast. Now THAT is some crazy ass shit.

beac

(9,992 posts)
69. Mormonism is Scientology for the 1800's.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:18 PM
Oct 2012

But Joseph Smith was an even bigger con man than L. Ron Hubbard, not to mention a sexual predator:

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon432.htm

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
78. They raise business success as the highest good. They assert that lying to non-Mormons is peachy.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:09 PM
Oct 2012

They are based on the writings (in an "Egyptian" unknown to Egyptologists) of a man who was known contemporaneously as a con-man.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
81. agreed, the mormons I know are some of the nicest and good people
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:18 PM
Oct 2012

I've ever met. I just think there is a lot of ignorance on display around the mormons and a lot of people just don't know them. So they think a guy like Romney represents what mormons are like, when it is far from the truth.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
86. i lived with them for five years
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:41 PM
Oct 2012

I know them far too well.

Sure, they're pleasant and agreeable as long as there's no moral conflict between their religion, their fellow mormons and what happens to you.

beac

(9,992 posts)
89. The people at Jonestown were "nice and good" too.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:51 PM
Oct 2012

Doesn't mean they weren't in a cult.

And yes, I've known some Mormons personally. The fact that they can appear "nice and good" while believing all the insane and dangerous things they do is what makes them so scary.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
93. talk about dangerous and insane, The Branch Davidians (David Koresh) and Westboro Baptist Church
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:03 PM
Oct 2012

are offshoots of Christianity. I'd say that religion attracts more than its fair share of folks who actually do dangerous and insane things.



beac

(9,992 posts)
99. Couldn't agree more, which is why I am an atheist.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:47 PM
Oct 2012

Jones' church was called the "People's Temple Christian Church", FYI.

Plenty of insanity to go around in religion. The Mormon Church just happens to be one of the more dangerous, IMO, becasue they are so adept at hiding their insanity behind a mask of "nice and good."

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
79. God, I miss Christopher Hitchens. For all his faults, he'd be able to write a scathing article on
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:10 PM
Oct 2012

Romney and his religion right now if were alive. I really wish he was here for this election.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
112. I raised teenage sons and I would never describe them as liars or as selfish.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:19 AM
Oct 2012

Parents who describe their children that way, in my experience, are revealing serious family dysfunctions.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
113. They way they talk makes me very suspicious
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:14 PM
Oct 2012

The son wants to punch the president. The wife says her husband can't handle stress, gets crazy and dumps on her. Mitt talks about trees being the right height and binders full of women.

I'd like to take a look at Romney's birth certificate. How do we know he's not from France ... or elsewhere!















napkinz

(17,199 posts)
123. I just love it!
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 06:01 PM
Oct 2012

I'm trying to post your video on every thread that deals with Mitt's mental instability.

Yours and Kossack's:




Both of your videos have to go viral. This is a SERIOUS issue, one the MSM is ignoring.

As I said in another post, if Michelle Obama had said on "The View" that her husband got crazy, dumped on her, and had to be stabilized, it would be BREAKING NEWS, HEADLINE NEWS, covered by all the network and cable news shows.




napkinz

(17,199 posts)
124. Is Mitt Romney Mentally Ill?
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 06:10 PM
Oct 2012

Is Mitt Romney Mentally Ill?

October 15th, 2012
by Rmuse

During an important election to decide the fate and direction of a country, a voter is likely to consider a candidate’s consistency of actions, values, methods, principles, and expectations, as well as outcomes from previous experience in political office before supporting a candidate. Many voters contemplate a candidate’s honesty and truthfulness, or accuracy of actions, before deciding to cast their vote, and few would choose a candidate renowned for lies and hypocrisy because it defines the candidate as morally deficient with anti-social tendencies. Americans are witnessing a morally deficient candidate for the presidency, and if it is not obvious by now that Willard Mitt Romney is a pathological liar, a hypocrite, and deceitful in words and deeds, it is about time his possible mental illness, Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASP), is exposed to the American people.

An individual suffering from ASP is calculating, manipulative, frequently charming and alluring, and fits the clinical portrait matching depictions of con artists and predators found in literature, and is masterful at using machinations of a criminal who fails to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors. Some criteria psychologists use to diagnose ASP are deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, conning others for personal profit, and lacking remorse or rationalizing having caused harm. Besides persistent lying, Romney demonstrates an innate inability to care about harming others borne out of narcissism, elevated self-worth, and a sense of extreme entitlement and cannot tolerate authority figures. If these criteria seem suspiciously similar to convicted felons and life-criminals, it is because over one-third of the prison population suffers from different degrees of ASP and, like Romney, they have a childhood history of the disorder.

Over the course of the campaign, stories of Willard’s childhood bullying and disregard for people other than himself abound, and besides chasing and holding down a gay classmate and cutting his hair, there are other instances of his disregard for others. Romney’s impersonating a police officer is not just a prank, and victims of Romney’s faux law enforcement attention may have a different opinion of his behavior that contradicts the portrait of the squeaky-clean Mormon boy. Indeed, Romney carried his disregard for young Americans into college when he protested in favor of sending young men to fight and die in Viet Nam while his “religious” deferments allowed him to luxuriate in a French castle while he proselytized French people into his cult.

Willard carried his disregard for other people with him to Bain Capital where he repeatedly lied and conned unwitting companies and shareholders into believing that, under Bain management, their firms would flourish only to end up in bankruptcy as Romney and his partners pillaged their assets, shuttered businesses, and raided employee’s pensions all for personal profit. Romney’s narcissism drives him to claim he saved the Salt Lake City Olympics, but he is remiss to give credit to the American taxpayer who funded his efforts to the tune of $1.5 billion, and then destroyed records to conceal malfeasance and cronyism related to his Mormon business associates. He continued covering tracks at the end of his failed term as Massachusetts governor when he charged taxpayers for wiping computers to conceal internal correspondence, and his bankruptcy gang repeated the cover-up practice by destroying books and records in the eToys bankruptcy between 1999 and 2001. Old habits die hard, but especially when they are borne of a cognitive disorder like ASP.


Read more: http://www.politicususa.com/mitt-romney-mentally-ill.html








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