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Thu Aug 12, 2021, 03:02 PM

Should the fillibuster be eliminated in the US Senate?


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Yes
25 (89%)
No. There should be no changes made to the fillibuster.
1 (4%)
Only for voting rights
0 (0%)
Reformed, not eliminated.
2 (7%)
Other(state below)
0 (0%)
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Reply Should the fillibuster be eliminated in the US Senate? (Original post)
ColinC Aug 2021 OP
msongs Aug 2021 #1
ColinC Aug 2021 #2
msongs Aug 2021 #3
ColinC Aug 2021 #4
lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #5
Spider Jerusalem Aug 2021 #11
jimfields33 Aug 2021 #13
LanternWaste Aug 2021 #14
jimfields33 Aug 2021 #15
treestar Aug 2021 #16
0rganism Aug 2021 #6
ColinC Aug 2021 #7
madville Aug 2021 #8
ColinC Aug 2021 #9
treestar Aug 2021 #17
Spider Jerusalem Aug 2021 #10
ColinC Aug 2021 #12

Response to ColinC (Original post)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:06 PM

1. are we good with a republican majority and no filibuster constraint on them? nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:15 PM

2. Yes.

Especially if getting rid of the filibuster substantially reduces the probability of the extremist wing of the republican party taking control in such a majority. As of now, the GOP defers itself entirely into the MAGA white nationalist cult because they have decided that in doing so, they will hold onto power by keeping minorities from being able to vote entirely. Getting rid of the filibuster isn't just giving Dems the power to pass legislation, but also neutralizing the threat of extremism within the republican party. A threat that is lessened by their being forced to appeal to a broader electorate or lose power indefinitely. At this point, there is no stopping the republicans from eliminating the filibuster when they take power anyways, but we can reduce their damage by beating them to it.

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Response to ColinC (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:18 PM

3. good answer. thanks for that nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:20 PM

4. Anytime!

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:22 PM

5. Are we good with a permanent Republican takeover of the country?

The filibuster is one of the weapons they are using to make that possible.

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:53 PM

11. You have to be incredibly naive to assume they won't eliminate it

 

they already did for judicial nominees (remember the "nuclear option"?)

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 06:58 PM

13. They actually didn't

Only Supreme Court after senator Reid got rid of it for the vast majority of judges.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 07:00 PM

14. You realize the difference between the concepts of...

 

the Practical Effect versus the Intended Effect, yes?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 07:01 PM

15. No.

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 07:04 PM

16. they don't want to pass laws though

they could not hold up a Democratic majority.

When they have a majority, there's not much they'd want that could not be undone later. And they know they can't, or they'd have done it during the Dubya/Dump administrations.

Then much of what they want would be unconstitutional, even to the Court they have.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:23 PM

6. I'd like to see a reduction in requirements for each cloture vote on a bill

First time cloture comes to the floor, cloture can still take 60 votes, and filibuster can persist as long as it's promoting live debate. No more silent filibusters and anonymous holds.
Second time, 55 votes.
Third time, 50.

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:25 PM

7. I prefer eliminating the fillibuster, but

Would be happy with any kind of practical alternative to it, including your suggestion. Unfortunately it seems at this point any changes are a pipedream despite the vast majority of democratic voters being behind either eliminating or reforming the fillibuster.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:28 PM

8. Depends who has the majority

If Democrats are in control, get rid of it. When Republicans are in control again, we'll wish we had it.

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Response to madville (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:48 PM

9. If these Republicans ever get control we will wish we got rid of it.

These extremist white nationalists now control the party with no fear of accountability because they will simply effectively get rid of their elections. There is no no stopping them from eliminating the filibuster when they get into power, but we can prevent the type of party that gets into power by neutralizing the threat of extremism through passing voting rights immediately. If republicans have to appeal to a broader electorate, they will no longer be sucking the teet of fascism. If we fail this task, however, we will be at their mercy.

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Response to madville (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 07:06 PM

17. Next time we had it, we could repeal things

that were really bad.

But if they really want to eliminate Social Security, for example, they had chances to do it and did not dare. They could not repeal the ACA. After putting on a show, they could not get 60, IIRR. But if their vote was really going to do it, they might not have tried.

They'd cut taxes, but it would only last while they had Congress and the Presidency. The voters might never let them have all 3, knowing what they could do.

But mostly they don't want anything to pass. It's the Democrats that the filibuster frustrates, not them.

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Response to ColinC (Original post)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 04:52 PM

10. Yes; I don't know why this is even a question?

 

The only reason the filibuster was invented in the first place was to block anti-slavery legislation. The word "filibuster" in the 1850s referred to various groups of adventurers who wanted to take over Cuba or someplace in South America to add a new slave state to the Union.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 12, 2021, 05:00 PM

12. +10,000

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